The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Narrawa]

I wouldn't mind the V3i but because it has A big learning curve I would have to get one when my other projects are not so time consuming, Because a machine like that Deserves your full Attention,

It has many different factory pre set programs that do work pretty good in our parks and backyards/beaches. You dont have to fiddle with anything if you dont want to....however...you do have to learn which gain controls work in certain programs due to having three of them to fiddle with. :lol:

Its even got an MXT mode which i guess is suppose to mimic the MXT. ....you could mix it up a tad by opting to use settings like...Correlate, Best Data, normalized VDI, adjusting the span for rap around, frequency off set, GB off set, all metal, tone ID, Mixed Mode, Stereo Mixed Mode for headphone users...thats iron in one ear and Disc in the other. Threshold based disc with iron audio on off or anywhere in between since its able to fully adjust more audio options than a sound studio....not to mention the ability to set a tone for every VDI number available... Or you could if you like to get heavily involved...set multiple notch settings combined with your tone selections, or group your notch selections leaving your desirable tones set to VCO audio. Tighten your recovery speed allowing you to step up your swing speed, add boost to thump out a little more from your modulated, or unmodulated audio. Turn on/off things you have probably never thought possible due to those items not being available in most other makes and models.??
Adjust the drawing times of various screen functions in Analyze mode, change the colors of the search screens and ten thousand other items available to colorize to your liking....set various search and Analyze screens and the amount of information you would like to appear on the screen..depth, VDI size, icon size/color/ including the icons for various detecting styles...prospecting, park hunting, ect ect.

Used in single frequency of your choice has also got its benefits, but i wont go into that, you get the drift. Oh!!! i almost forgot to mention the two menu systems...one for the newbie called the six block menu or similar...and the Expert menu for those who like to dabble into the backs of TV sets without being electrocuted. 8)

So nothing to be afraid of, turn it on, pick a program and away you go...basic stuff.

Ok so you've given a brief description of some of the basic controls... Could you please tell us about some of the more in-depth features?

Sure i can, however its better you read it from someone much more up on it than i am.
This is just a start...there's a lot more to it than written here.
http://forums.whiteselectronics.com/showthread.php?46072-V3i-Advanced-Use-s-Guide

Who knows what Whites will do with the programming of the v3i in the future.???....i guess the more people who push the subject, the more perhaps Whites will look into it. ??? Another reason its hard to let it go if you have one. :/

Given the way Nokta/Makro have gone about securing a major foot hold into the market, you'd think other manufacturers would pay more attention to the end users requests.?

 

[Ridge Runner]

I had a MXT' well I traded my proven GMT on a new one as I always did so good with the GMT, bad move the MXT was completely different in my eyes than the GMT, most say otherwise but I disagree! To cut it short I hated the MXT! It's been talked up a lot over the years and a well proven machine but I simply expected more so off it went...
My eyes have always prick't up over the V3i but waiting this long now I may as wait a bit longer and see what whites have coming next.

Some do find it as you have, But The thing with the MXT over the GMT is the Iron Disc is way better and the Smoother sounding Threshold, To me The GMTs Threshold is a little Raspy But I think that is why it works so well for prospecting,

Here's A New Thread that will explain more, https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=169184#p169184

 

[Ridge Runner]

I wouldn't mind the V3i but because it has A big learning curve I would have to get one when my other projects are not so time consuming, Because a machine like that Deserves your full Attention,

It has many different factory pre set programs that do work pretty good in our parks and backyards/beaches. You dont have to fiddle with anything if you dont want to....however...you do have to learn which gain controls work in certain programs due to having three of them to fiddle with. :lol:

Its even got an MXT mode which i guess is suppose to mimic the MXT. ....you could mix it up a tad by opting to use settings like...Correlate, Best Data, normalized VDI, adjusting the span for rap around, frequency off set, GB off set, all metal, tone ID, Mixed Mode, Stereo Mixed Mode for headphone users...thats iron in one ear and Disc in the other. Threshold based disc with iron audio on off or anywhere in between since its able to fully adjust more audio options than a sound studio....not to mention the ability to set a tone for every VDI number available... Or you could if you like to get heavily involved...set multiple notch settings combined with your tone selections, or group your notch selections leaving your desirable tones set to VCO audio. Tighten your recovery speed allowing you to step up your swing speed, add boost to thump out a little more from your modulated, or unmodulated audio. Turn on/off things you have probably never thought possible due to those items not being available in most other makes and models.??
Adjust the drawing times of various screen functions in Analyze mode, change the colors of the search screens and ten thousand other items available to colorize to your liking....set various search and Analyze screens and the amount of information you would like to appear on the screen..depth, VDI size, icon size/color/ including the icons for various detecting styles...prospecting, park hunting, ect ect.

Used in single frequency of your choice has also got its benefits, but i wont go into that, you get the drift. Oh!!! i almost forgot to mention the two menu systems...one for the newbie called the six block menu or similar...and the Expert menu for those who like to dabble into the backs of TV sets without being electrocuted. 8)

So nothing to be afraid of, turn it on, pick a program and away you go...basic stuff.

Ok so you've given a brief description of some of the basic controls... Could you please tell us about some of the more in-depth features?

Sure i can, however its better you read it from someone much more up on it than i am.
This is just a start...there's a lot more to it than written here.
http://forums.whiteselectronics.com/showthread.php?46072-V3i-Advanced-Use-s-Guide

Who knows what Whites will do with the programming of the v3i in the future.???....i guess the more people who push the subject, the more perhaps Whites will look into it. ??? Another reason its hard to let it go if you have one. :/

Given the way Nokta/Makro have gone about securing a major foot hold into the market, you'd think other manufacturers would pay more attention to the end users requests.?

Well if the Big Boys don't pay Attention then New companies like Nokta / Makro They will be under threat, But what Is More important Is Companies Like Nokta/Makro (Fors/Racer) Are Actually Listening to A few Users Requests / Complaints and making changes where as the Bigger companies it takes A lot of people to get some of them to Take Notice.

John

 

[Guest]

The process of listening and change has already started where one particular
forum I think is followed closely by A couple of detector manufacturers due
to the sheer experience of users this forum has as contributors and the
person that runs it and the extensive expereince he has.

One change we did see was thw intro of the F19 because of how many liked the iron
volume that the XP detectors noticeably the Deus and Goldmax had, Whether some
liked this feature is not relevant.

Engineers have also left and commenced with competing companies while others
have recruited new engineers.

So its a matter of being patient and waiting to see what happens.

Hopefully whites come out with a new Hybrid type of detector which they have
a patent for. Something like using PI technology for detection and vlf for
target ID processing. How this will work I have no idea.

Where the excitement is though is with companies that have had a product out
on the market for a long period because as that product matures then there is
more focus on a possibility of a new product.

I admire XP Metal Detectors because of the work they have done with the Deus,
a platform that was introduced in 2009 in which the planning started years before.
Building just about everything in house and not solely relying on many different third
parties makes very good Business sense. Imagine the cost of getting everything ready
for the production of the Deus which includes software development, tooling, molding
and so on yet it sells for less than $2000.

What detecting companies need to do though is come up with their own break
through technology and give us all something different.

Marketing, brand loyalty and the lack in some cases of competing products
is a formula that can only be used/work for so long.

2016 should be an interesting year.

 

[Narrawa]

One change we did see was thw intro of the F19 because of how many liked the iron
volume that the XP detectors noticeably the Deus and Goldmax had, Whether some
liked this feature is not relevant.

Iron audio is a very good thing to have, how the company implements it into their device is another story. Fisher failed in my opinion with it in the F19.
In order to have the iron volume functioning, you need the overall volume level set at 10..= max....from 11-20 you now have iron audio but your not able to lower the overall volume. Pointless exercise really. The guy in the park over in the next suburb does not need to hear what im doing. Heaven forbid you press the pinpoint button...you'll certainly know about it if you do. 8)

Other makes and models have it, and its fully adjustable on the v3i.....starting from the AM gain to the adjustment of the threshold, right through to the amount of disc services you employ and the amount of gain given to the disc, as well as having a gain to control the overall amount of gain....all this in one program + an array of other settings if you so please.

Again...most people get rid of their v3i through lack of time to learn how to drive it. Perfectly understandable due to the fact we are here for a good time....not a long time. :lol:

 

[Heatho]

Damn, this thread has only confused me more about which detector I think I want/need........ Quote: "2016 should be an interesting year." Wolf I wish you didn't say that, lol, now I feel like I should wait.

Though among the info overload I'm now grappling with I still think I want the CTX, even though all the other detectors are awesome too I just think it will suit me most as I do a lot of parks but also have Australia's busiest beaches right on my doorstep pretty much. After using Barney's Etrac for a week I really love it or that type of platform anyway, if we had an iron age in Aus I'd most likely get the Deus but we didn't, it's more of an aluminium age we have to deal with here, in my area anyway the can-fetti is thick in some places.

I can easily just cherrypick $40 per session in the parks around here and silvers/jewellery are just a bonus really, it's goldie heaven and the etrac is bang on with them nearly everytime.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Damn, this thread has only confused me more about which detector I think I want/need........ Quote: "2016 should be an interesting year." Wolf I wish you didn't say that, lol, now I feel like I should wait.

Though among the info overload I'm now grappling with I still think I want the CTX, even though all the other detectors are awesome too I just think it will suit me most as I do a lot of parks but also have Australia's busiest beaches right on my doorstep pretty much. After using Barney's Etrac for a week I really love it or that type of platform anyway, if we had an iron age in Aus I'd most likely get the Deus but we didn't, it's more of an aluminium age we have to deal with here, in my area anyway the can-fetti is thick in some places.

I can easily just cherrypick $40 per session in the parks around here and silvers/jewellery are just a bonus really, it's goldie heaven and the etrac is bang on with them nearly everytime.

Well I wont post what A Gentleman from Melbourne Posted what happened when AS he put it SMASHED the Place with an Etrac over a few years what Happened when he bought Another Machine, But he was Annoyed in one respect but Happy in Another,

I don't own A Deus but I do have a lot of respect for it.

But I know how you feel and you have my Sympathy,

john

 

[Ridge Runner]

One change we did see was thw intro of the F19 because of how many liked the iron
volume that the XP detectors noticeably the Deus and Goldmax had, Whether some
liked this feature is not relevant.

Heaven forbid you press the pinpoint button...you'll certainly know about it if you do. 8)

:

You wait til you are happily detecting away when its getting dark and you are stuffed but relaxed and you get a bit of a signal and you hit the pin point button and Spook the %$& out of ya self, Now That's A Heart Starter,

I did that at my Brother In Laws House late at night, It was Built in the 1800s and Looks like the Adams Family Live there with Owls Hooting in the Trees and not a sound from anything else and Huge Stain Glass Windows as it was an Old Vicarage, It looks Like A Haunted Castle,, Damn Near %$& Me Self.

John

 

[Heatho]

But then we just go back to the saying that no 1 detector gets everything, it's easy to not overlap swings, can miss targets for a variety of reason other than a detector flaw. I see so many posts of people doing very well with a CTX and am pretty sure it will do quite well around here.

Can always get something else later, my $100 special aldi tector has paid for nearly half a CTX in goldies alone, plus the gold and silver it's found. Pretty sure a CTX would pay for the rest of itself and a deus or Whites in the not so distant future.

Great thing about this hobby, if you do it regularly it can be self perpetuating with finds and buying new stuff.

 

[Guest]

But then we just go back to the saying that no 1 detector gets everything, it's easy to not overlap swings, can miss targets for a variety of reason other than a detector flaw. I see so many posts of people doing very well with a CTX and am pretty sure it will do quite well around here.

Can always get something else later, my $100 special aldi tector has paid for nearly half a CTX in goldies alone, plus the gold and silver it's found. Pretty sure a CTX would pay for the rest of itself and a deus or Whites in the not so distant future.

Great thing about this hobby, if you do it regularly it can be self perpetuating with finds and buying new stuff.

If its CTX you want go for it and don't let anyone change your mind.

Minelab make great detectors, thats evident. I have owned and used a few over the years.

My first was the sovereign back in the 90's and my craving back then for Minelab to make what
we have available today such as an etrac or a 3030. The solution I had back then was a meter.

The question is what are the key things you look for in making a purchase as these are different
for everyone.

Good luck with it if you decide to go this way and I do look forward in reading your 3030 posts.

 

[Ridge Runner]

But then we just go back to the saying that no 1 detector gets everything, it's easy to not overlap swings, can miss targets for a variety of reason other than a detector flaw. I see so many posts of people doing very well with a CTX and am pretty sure it will do quite well around here.

Can always get something else later, my $100 special aldi tector has paid for nearly half a CTX in goldies alone, plus the gold and silver it's found. Pretty sure a CTX would pay for the rest of itself and a deus or Whites in the not so distant future.

Great thing about this hobby, if you do it regularly it can be self perpetuating with finds and buying new stuff.

Absolutely, I still need to add 2 ML PI's to my kit to complete the spectrum I got the Gold Coin and Relic sorted But I need these two for Tiny Gold in mineralized ground and Very Deep Mineralized Ground,

Heck its only money,lol

john

 

[dazza513]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ibg9bOdfk

This thread sort of ended up more about how fast the target separation amongst iron is than anything else, if that's the be all and end all then nearly any tesoro is worth a mention.

Daryl

 

[Ridge Runner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ibg9bOdfk

This thread sort of ended up more about how fast the target separation amongst iron is than anything else, if that's the be all and end all then nearly any tesoro is worth a mention.

Daryl

Them and The EU Version (Laser) are wicked machines and they carry A Life Time Warranty. Just a Little dated that's all, But they are Mighty Machines.

 

[dazza513]

I grew up in central victoria and really enjoyed coin shooting, the problem at the time was nearly all vid/tid type vlf's sufferd badly (tone and visual id all over the place) in the mineralized soils that most historical areas near me had. Cliff from the shepparton minelab dealer told me that the new (original) explorer coming out was the answer to my problems, so we tried out the "beta" model he had and he was right, it gave resonable depth and very acurate tone and display id on coin size targets in amongst the iron infested hot ground that stoped me useing my 2200d as a coin machine (i bought a explorer xs on release date). I tried an e trek and found it very similar to the original explorer in the hot ground target id wise and a little faster responce in netural ground. The whites v3i and deus have been on my radar for awhile now but without knowing if they can do what they do in hot ground is holding me back from spending.

All these machines are good coin shooter's in normal ground but does anyone know how the non fbs types are at proper (good vdi/tid) coin shooting in mild to hot aussie ground?

 

[Ridge Runner]

I grew up in central victoria and really enjoyed coin shooting, the problem at the time was nearly all vid/tid type vlf's sufferd badly (tone and visual id all over the place) in the mineralized soils that most historical areas near me had. Cliff from the shepparton minelab dealer told me that the new (original) explorer coming out was the answer to my problems, so we tried out the "beta" model he had and he was right, it gave resonable depth and very acurate tone and display id on coin size targets in amongst the iron infested hot ground that stoped me useing my 2200d as a coin machine (i bought a explorer xs on release date). I tried an e trek and found it very similar to the original explorer in the hot ground target id wise and a little faster responce in netural ground. The whites v3i and deus have been on my radar for awhile now but without knowing if they can do what they do in hot ground is holding me back from spending.

All these machines are good coin shooter's in normal ground but does anyone know how the non fbs types are at proper (good vdi/tid) coin shooting in mild to hot aussie ground?

Most of them are good it's only when you head out towards the Gold fields do they show their Limitations, With Mine the Bigger the target the deeper it ID's the Item, Coins being bigger than tiny nuggets you will always have better luck on those sort of targets in hot ground than you will tiny Gold, And with the right coils etc you can get it working good in Low to hot ground but in Very hot ground that might be a problem,

 

[dazza513]

I grew up in central victoria and really enjoyed coin shooting, the problem at the time was nearly all vid/tid type vlf's sufferd badly (tone and visual id all over the place) in the mineralized soils that most historical areas near me had. Cliff from the shepparton minelab dealer told me that the new (original) explorer coming out was the answer to my problems, so we tried out the "beta" model he had and he was right, it gave resonable depth and very acurate tone and display id on coin size targets in amongst the iron infested hot ground that stoped me useing my 2200d as a coin machine (i bought a explorer xs on release date). I tried an e trek and found it very similar to the original explorer in the hot ground target id wise and a little faster responce in netural ground. The whites v3i and deus have been on my radar for awhile now but without knowing if they can do what they do in hot ground is holding me back from spending.

All these machines are good coin shooter's in normal ground but does anyone know how the non fbs types are at proper (good vdi/tid) coin shooting in mild to hot aussie ground?

Most of them are good it's only when you head out towards the Gold fields do they show their Limitations, With Mine the Bigger the target the deeper it ID's the Item, Coins being bigger than tiny nuggets you will always have better luck on those sort of targets in hot ground than you will tiny Gold, And with the right coils etc you can get it working good in Low to hot ground but in Very hot ground that might be a problem,

I'm not after gold nuggets in these sites it's more like 75% of the old homesites i have access to are in area's that are gold bearing, have very hot ground and have many small coins at depth along with alot of iron and junk.
Some of my first machines could'nt see a treepence coin on the surface in some of these area's and way to much junk for my pi machines, but i have had resonable success with fbs minelabs but i know my target seperation is'nt the best with the explorer so thats had me thinking what else can i use that will pull more coins in hot ground?

 

[Ridge Runner]

I grew up in central victoria and really enjoyed coin shooting, the problem at the time was nearly all vid/tid type vlf's sufferd badly (tone and visual id all over the place) in the mineralized soils that most historical areas near me had. Cliff from the shepparton minelab dealer told me that the new (original) explorer coming out was the answer to my problems, so we tried out the "beta" model he had and he was right, it gave resonable depth and very acurate tone and display id on coin size targets in amongst the iron infested hot ground that stoped me useing my 2200d as a coin machine (i bought a explorer xs on release date). I tried an e trek and found it very similar to the original explorer in the hot ground target id wise and a little faster responce in netural ground. The whites v3i and deus have been on my radar for awhile now but without knowing if they can do what they do in hot ground is holding me back from spending.

All these machines are good coin shooter's in normal ground but does anyone know how the non fbs types are at proper (good vdi/tid) coin shooting in mild to hot aussie ground?

Most of them are good it's only when you head out towards the Gold fields do they show their Limitations, With Mine the Bigger the target the deeper it ID's the Item, Coins being bigger than tiny nuggets you will always have better luck on those sort of targets in hot ground than you will tiny Gold, And with the right coils etc you can get it working good in Low to hot ground but in Very hot ground that might be a problem,

I'm not after gold nuggets in these sites it's more like 75% of the old homesites i have access to are in area's that are gold bearing, have very hot ground and have many small coins at depth along with alot of iron and junk.
Some of my first machines could'nt see a treepence coin on the surface in some of these area's and way to much junk for my pi machines, but i have had resonable success with fbs minelabs but i know my target seperation is'nt the best with the explorer so thats had me thinking what else can i use that will pull more coins in hot ground?

As far as highly magnetic area They should work, I just ground balance a Large magnetic Sign, It ground Balances at around 89 to 96 which is about as High as ground get then I got a small silver cut half penny about the size of a 5cent and about A 3rd of the Thickness, Imagine a 5 cent then cut it straight down the middle and one half of it would be the same size, Anyway It rings like Bell on the thing, Now Bare in mind This is Quite strong because it's designed to stick to A Truck door at 120ks so it is A pretty powerful magnet and it has no problem Seeing the coin AT ALL.

 

[blakegarv]

the problem i see with the ctx and the etrac is they both have very powerful silencers built in and sure this may stop you from digging alot of trash but it also works against you masking good targets in iron like coins etc .i figured this out when i had my ctx3030 for 2 yrs and i would hunt heaps of parks i would find coins but not as much as i expected in the back of my mind i knew something was a miss .

well long story short after arguing with alot of poms online about how the ctx was superior and they constantly badgered me telling me the ctx masked good targets in iron i bit the bullet .i got a deus went out to several parks i had hunted to death and i literally found 100s of coins with it all over the place i couldnt believe my eyes because instead of coming home with $15 a hunt and a sore are i was now making $50 a hunt and no sore arm .

but i had to figure out why this was so i did some tests .i ran the deus in silencer 4 in a few parks then i ran the ctx and i only found a few coins i reverted my settings on the deus and again 100s of coins out of the ground and i realised something .when the deus is on silencer 4 it only lets in the purest of signals so if a coin is on a slant there is a good chance the deus will mask it or not see it and when i put the deus on silencer 2 or below it seen the coin again .the same would happen with the ctx i had coins in the ground the ctx couldnt see and the deus wouldnt see on silencer 4 but as soon as i dropped the silencer to 2 the deus would see them and this is what i realised .

you have to dig trash thats all there is to it if you dont your missing targets because yeh sure you can silence signals but if you do you also silence good targets and this is why i stayed with the deus and sold the ctx because its been a problem of fbs technology for yrs now ive had mates who i had to point these things out to at first they didnt believe me so i had to show them and in the end they were also shocked .

dont get me wrong i dont hate minelab i was a huge supported but this is one of the flaws in fbs technology i found .the silencer in the etrac and the ctx is to strong and yeh sure you dont dig as much trash as other detectors but you also dont find as many good targets as other detectors and i can put any money on it if you use a deus and i use a ctx you will find more than me i have no doubt now that i understand how the detectors work .anyway this is just my 2 cents .the deus has made me a aweful lot of money detecting and i wouldnt trade it for the world .

 

[Ridge Runner]

the problem i see with the ctx and the etrac is they both have very powerful silencers built in and sure this may stop you from digging alot of trash but it also works against you masking good targets in iron like coins etc .i figured this out when i had my ctx3030 for 2 yrs and i would hunt heaps of parks i would find coins but not as much as i expected in the back of my mind i knew something was a miss .

well long story short after arguing with alot of poms online about how the ctx was superior and they constantly badgered me telling me the ctx masked good targets in iron i bit the bullet .i got a deus went out to several parks i had hunted to death and i literally found 100s of coins with it all over the place i couldnt believe my eyes because instead of coming home with $15 a hunt and a sore are i was now making $50 a hunt and no sore arm .

but i had to figure out why this was so i did some tests .i ran the deus in silencer 4 in a few parks then i ran the ctx and i only found a few coins i reverted my settings on the deus and again 100s of coins out of the ground and i realised something .when the deus is on silencer 4 it only lets in the purest of signals so if a coin is on a slant there is a good chance the deus will mask it or not see it and when i put the deus on silencer 2 or below it seen the coin again .the same would happen with the ctx i had coins in the ground the ctx couldnt see and the deus wouldnt see on silencer 4 but as soon as i dropped the silencer to 2 the deus would see them and this is what i realised .

you have to dig trash thats all there is to it if you dont your missing targets because yeh sure you can silence signals but if you do you also silence good targets and this is why i stayed with the deus and sold the ctx because its been a problem of fbs technology for yrs now ive had mates who i had to point these things out to at first they didnt believe me so i had to show them and in the end they were also shocked .

dont get me wrong i dont hate minelab i was a huge supported but this is one of the flaws in fbs technology i found .the silencer in the etrac and the ctx is to strong and yeh sure you dont dig as much trash as other detectors but you also dont find as many good targets as other detectors and i can put any money on it if you use a deus and i use a ctx you will find more than me i have no doubt now that i understand how the detectors work .anyway this is just my 2 cents .the deus has made me a aweful lot of money detecting and i wouldnt trade it for the world .

And That Is The Truth, 101%, I have seen this Dozens of times and been through it My Self, It's Not about Bagging Minelab because they Make some real Hot property, But BBS and FBS Just can not Match these Fast Machines,

John

 

[blakegarv]

the problem i see with the ctx and the etrac is they both have very powerful silencers built in and sure this may stop you from digging alot of trash but it also works against you masking good targets in iron like coins etc .i figured this out when i had my ctx3030 for 2 yrs and i would hunt heaps of parks i would find coins but not as much as i expected in the back of my mind i knew something was a miss .

well long story short after arguing with alot of poms online about how the ctx was superior and they constantly badgered me telling me the ctx masked good targets in iron i bit the bullet .i got a deus went out to several parks i had hunted to death and i literally found 100s of coins with it all over the place i couldnt believe my eyes because instead of coming home with $15 a hunt and a sore are i was now making $50 a hunt and no sore arm .

but i had to figure out why this was so i did some tests .i ran the deus in silencer 4 in a few parks then i ran the ctx and i only found a few coins i reverted my settings on the deus and again 100s of coins out of the ground and i realised something .when the deus is on silencer 4 it only lets in the purest of signals so if a coin is on a slant there is a good chance the deus will mask it or not see it and when i put the deus on silencer 2 or below it seen the coin again .the same would happen with the ctx i had coins in the ground the ctx couldnt see and the deus wouldnt see on silencer 4 but as soon as i dropped the silencer to 2 the deus would see them and this is what i realised .

you have to dig trash thats all there is to it if you dont your missing targets because yeh sure you can silence signals but if you do you also silence good targets and this is why i stayed with the deus and sold the ctx because its been a problem of fbs technology for yrs now ive had mates who i had to point these things out to at first they didnt believe me so i had to show them and in the end they were also shocked .

dont get me wrong i dont hate minelab i was a huge supported but this is one of the flaws in fbs technology i found .the silencer in the etrac and the ctx is to strong and yeh sure you dont dig as much trash as other detectors but you also dont find as many good targets as other detectors and i can put any money on it if you use a deus and i use a ctx you will find more than me i have no doubt now that i understand how the detectors work .anyway this is just my 2 cents .the deus has made me a aweful lot of money detecting and i wouldnt trade it for the world .

And That Is The Truth, 101%, I have seen this Dozens of times and been through it My Self, It's Not about Bagging Minelab because they Make some real Hot property, But BBS and FBS Just can not Match these Fast Machines,

John

yeh i truly have to agree with you .i was a huge minelab fan and to spend nearly 3grand on a detector you know i was serious when it came to minelab but i realised this is fbs biggest flaw not only does it null out over iron with good targets in it .its recovery is way to slow .i mean you would think for something that cost so much you would get a faster recovery .we dont care about colour screens and the gps and stuff we just want speed and depth granted the ctx has the depth but whats depth without recovery speed .

i remember i lined 5 goldies up next to each other and swept the coil about 3 seconds each way and the minelab was only picking up 3 of those targets i did the same with the deus and it didnt matter how fast i swung it it picked up everything and that was the time i realised the ctx wasnt as good as it was made out to be .because i had been going over ground and missing heaps of targets constantly i was very annoyed when i realised this .when i got the deus i realised just how incredible it really is all the areas i had hunted out with the ctx multiple times were producing heaps and heaps of coins not just a handful but 100s of dollars worth .

i also found my first sixpence they other day which i was stoked .but that was the first time i decided to search deeper .