The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Guest]

Would be really interested to read more about the capabilities of the
CTX3030 in high trash areas.

Would be great if more input was made by those that either have
tested a 3030 or who owns one.

 

[goldwright]

Would be really interested to read more about the capabilities of the
CTX3030 in high trash areas.

Would be great if more input was made by those that either have
tested a 3030 or who owns one.

I have not come across a coin patch that does not have high trash, the CTX only nulls over iron and other notched out discriminated targets when you have rejected them on screen same as the Deus. Open screen and you don't get the null but a tone, I don't understand the whole CTX nulls to much, how else does the discrimination work?

I used the 705 before the CTX and was amazed at how much better the CTX was at seeing coins amongst the rubbish, I am constantly tweaking settings ie sensitivity, threshold what not.

I have a program just for $1 and $2 coins and notch everything else out except these 2 coins numbers and only dig when I get a tone and use this on parks that have markets regulary and this works a treat even though the machine basically just nulls constantly, still hits the spendables.

 

[user 4485]

Review from aurumpro (aka Goldhound):
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t12107-ctx-3030-users-review
This bloke is a fulltime prospector/detectorist both here & in Europe.
Last count he was at over 10 ounces of gold alone as stated in this thread:
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/361-minelab-ctx-3030-for-gold-nuggets/?fromsearch=1

I've been using the CTX for finding gold nuggets in trash areas like tailings oversize piles, old diggers camps, ect here in Australia since its release.
I have easily found over 10oz doing this.

I spent alot of time building my discrimination patterns and audio to suit and playing with the settings.
When I was building the pattern I scanned over 1000 different nuggets from .2g to 32oz.
Here in aus our ground varies alot from heavy mineralization to low mineralization so I built 3 different modes that cover these all with minimal adjustment's.

Once you learn the CTX and how it operates under different soil conditions and get to know the target trace it is a weapon in any area that has a lot of trash particularly iron.
The target separation and discriminator is the best I have ever used for this type of work.
And all of the audio options availabe I just love it!

Like anything it sounds like if you are willing to put the time in to learn it you'll do well. I reckon you'll do great with it Heatho. I'll be following how you/it goes with interest.

 

[Guest]

Would be really interested to read more about the capabilities of the
CTX3030 in high trash areas.

Would be great if more input was made by those that either have
tested a 3030 or who owns one.

I have not come across a coin patch that does not have high trash, the CTX only nulls over iron and other notched out discriminated targets when you have rejected them on screen same as the Deus. Open screen and you don't get the null but a tone, I don't understand the whole CTX nulls to much, how else does the discrimination work?

I used the 705 before the CTX and was amazed at how much better the CTX was at seeing coins amongst the rubbish, I am constantly tweaking settings ie sensitivity, threshold what not.

I have a program just for $1 and $2 coins and notch everything else out except these 2 coins numbers and only dig when I get a tone and use this on parks that have markets regulary and this works a treat even though the machine basically just nulls constantly, still hits the spendables.

So your $1 and $2 program only detects these coins and no other trash or aluminium screwcaps are detected regardless the depth?

 

[goldwright]

Would be really interested to read more about the capabilities of the
CTX3030 in high trash areas.

Would be great if more input was made by those that either have
tested a 3030 or who owns one.

I have not come across a coin patch that does not have high trash, the CTX only nulls over iron and other notched out discriminated targets when you have rejected them on screen same as the Deus. Open screen and you don't get the null but a tone, I don't understand the whole CTX nulls to much, how else does the discrimination work?

I used the 705 before the CTX and was amazed at how much better the CTX was at seeing coins amongst the rubbish, I am constantly tweaking settings ie sensitivity, threshold what not.

I have a program just for $1 and $2 coins and notch everything else out except these 2 coins numbers and only dig when I get a tone and use this on parks that have markets regulary and this works a treat even though the machine basically just nulls constantly, still hits the spendables.

So your $1 and $2 program only detects these coins and no other trash or aluminium screwcaps are detected regardless the depth?

Yeah mate most of these coins are surface or only just sub surface. I only have 12-37, 12-38, 12-39 and 12-40 open on the screen, very low volume gain and sensitivity around the 10 for each, high trash seperation, normal response and fast recovery and target trace on ( if you get a dot next to the goldies numbers but in the 20's you can still find those 20c and 50c when you come across a coin spill). Don't dig only screw driver if the target is more than an inch deep and I can't feel it with the screw driver I move on. I still can't believe how much money people drop.

 

[Guest]

Would be really interested to read more about the capabilities of the
CTX3030 in high trash areas.

Would be great if more input was made by those that either have
tested a 3030 or who owns one.

I have not come across a coin patch that does not have high trash, the CTX only nulls over iron and other notched out discriminated targets when you have rejected them on screen same as the Deus. Open screen and you don't get the null but a tone, I don't understand the whole CTX nulls to much, how else does the discrimination work?

I used the 705 before the CTX and was amazed at how much better the CTX was at seeing coins amongst the rubbish, I am constantly tweaking settings ie sensitivity, threshold what not.

I have a program just for $1 and $2 coins and notch everything else out except these 2 coins numbers and only dig when I get a tone and use this on parks that have markets regulary and this works a treat even though the machine basically just nulls constantly, still hits the spendables.

So your $1 and $2 program only detects these coins and no other trash or aluminium screwcaps are detected regardless the depth?

Yeah mate most of these coins are surface or only just sub surface. I only have 12-37, 12-38, 12-39 and 12-40 open on the screen, very low volume gain and sensitivity around the 10 for each, high trash seperation, normal response and fast recovery and target trace on ( if you get a dot next to the goldies numbers but in the 20's you can still find those 20c and 50c when you come across a coin spill). Don't dig only screw driver if the target is more than an inch deep and I can't feel it with the screw driver I move on. I still can't believe how much money people drop.

Its easy on the shallow stuff. Discriimination accuaracy though gets harder when the targets are
buried say 6 or so inches. This is what I have found anyway and depends where you detect as well.

Many detectors have the notch feature which includes the Deus and I can remember the Garret GT1500
which was introduced in the 90's has this as well.

The only machine I have used though that gives you a good clear indication that you have a high chance of
knowing you have detected an aluminium screw cap is the whites v3i because it comes up as a different
frequency compared to the majority of coins.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Heatho]

Review from aurumpro (aka Goldhound):
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t12107-ctx-3030-users-review
This bloke is a fulltime prospector/detectorist both here & in Europe.
Last count he was at over 10 ounces of gold alone as stated in this thread:
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/361-minelab-ctx-3030-for-gold-nuggets/?fromsearch=1

I've been using the CTX for finding gold nuggets in trash areas like tailings oversize piles, old diggers camps, ect here in Australia since its release.
I have easily found over 10oz doing this.

I spent alot of time building my discrimination patterns and audio to suit and playing with the settings.
When I was building the pattern I scanned over 1000 different nuggets from .2g to 32oz.
Here in aus our ground varies alot from heavy mineralization to low mineralization so I built 3 different modes that cover these all with minimal adjustment's.

Once you learn the CTX and how it operates under different soil conditions and get to know the target trace it is a weapon in any area that has a lot of trash particularly iron.
The target separation and discriminator is the best I have ever used for this type of work.
And all of the audio options availabe I just love it!

Like anything it sounds like if you are willing to put the time in to learn it you'll do well. I reckon you'll do great with it Heatho. I'll be following how you/it goes with interest.

Cheers Matt, I'm liking it very much, it was that thread by Aurumpro that convinced me to get the CTX, was very un-biasrd and seemed a very honest account of the way the unit works.

 

[Heatho]

Goldwright is 100% spot on with that post, it only nulls when you have a discrimination pattern set, so anyone who says otherwise has either never got into the settings and used the machine properly or is going by hearsay from someone who has never set it up properly.

I set up a goldies only program on Barney's etrac and will do the same on my CTX, it works sensationally and will only give a signal when there is target in that range..

Wolf, on the contrary I have found so far that the CTX is more accurate around the 5-10cm depth range than on the surface, maybe I need to drop the gain a touch for goldie hunting, I've been running it on auto.

I'm having trouble on 1c and 2c coins as they are right around the Florin range and I don't really want to miss any Florins, so I'll be digging plenty of 1 and 2's. There are some screw caps I've found around the $2 coin range but not that many.

 

[blakegarv]

i know these videos are old but here is a few examples .it dosnt show how the ctx wont pick up targets if you swing it to fast but try it at home set up a few $1 and $2 coins and try swing fast with like 5 coins and the ctx will miss targets .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjCXRzDIa2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwqHyUSUI8

 

[blakegarv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ovwAnJKsA here is a really fair review and comparison of the ctx having problems by a guy who said he wished the ctx was better .wide open screen .

 

[blakegarv]

and im not trying to bash the ctx

Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
:lol:

well i just hate people saying that im not being fair on it .trust me i spent $3000 on the ctx and gave it a good 1.5yrs i wanted it to succeed because minelab is australian and i support any company thats australian but the ctx was a mega let down compared to the deus it cant even compete .

 

[blakegarv]

and im not trying to bash the ctx

Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
Your doing a great job of it
:lol:

well i just hate people saying that im not being fair on it .trust me i spent $3000 on the ctx and gave it a good 1.5yrs i wanted it to succeed because minelab is australian and i support any company thats australian but the ctx was a mega let down compared to the deus it cant even compete .

weight ,price,custom programs ,ease of use ,recovery. deus has ctx3030 beat by a landslide .

 

[Heatho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ovwAnJKsA here is a really fair review and comparison of the ctx having problems by a guy who said he wished the ctx was better .wide open screen .

I can immediately see one problem with this bodgy test and you are not meant to enable ground balance unless in heavy mineralisation. Also he never used the pinpoint trace. I only need one peep from the detector to investigate further. Also he said he "didn't want to sweep over a target for 5 mins to analyse it", I'd already have removed it and dug several others by then,lol.

Also Blake why would anyone want line up 5 coins and run a detctor over them without digging them up??? I tried 2 coins next to each other this morning and the pinpoint trace shows you the 2 coins, it's awesome.

The CTX is not slow like you are describing it, not for me anyhow. Most of these youtube "tests" should be taken with a grain of salt to be honest as most really are not done that well using the various functions correctly or are not even setup correctly. What you are saying about 5 coins in a row only makes sense if you have 10 arms and can remove 5 different targets simultaneously.

It seems you really have an agenda against minelab.......

I think you should start your own thread on the deus and your finds and settings and stop cluttering this one up with nonsense.

The other videos with the tub of dirrt was a bit dodgy also, none of these tests are real world detecting scenarios......

 

[blakegarv]

i knew there would be some excuse .there always is with ctx owners anyway im not here to argue in time you will see the light .when you said bogus test i knew you wouldnt admit the machine has flaws right there and then .none of these tests were bogus and they are all done by guys who purchased the ctx so you saying all these guys have a agenda with minelab .highly unlikely they are just stateing the obvious .

anyway i will start posting my finds but its gonna be alot of coins and people will probably get sick of me posting finds because the deus finds so much eventually people will probably doubt that they are real finds .anyway whatever im not here to argue only state facts .good luck with your detecting .

 

[Ridge Runner]

I think we need to take ONE step back,

We are comparing Detectors Not people,,

Running the Screen wide open is in effect using it in all metal, Not DICS and it is in the DISC mode that there seems to be some Grey Areas,

I see Ron Air Testing it On Gold which it does not do too well At But it IS seeing them and that is All That Matters,

John

 

[Guest]

I think we need to take ONE step back,

We are comparing Detectors Not people,,

Running the Screen wide open is in effect using it in all metal, Not DICS and it is in the DISC mode that there seems to be some Grey Areas,

I see Ron Air Testing it On Gold which it does not do too well At But it IS seeing them and that is All That Matters,

John

Well said.

In the end though we can agree to disagree but no matter how much you spend on a coin/relic detector
there is no detector out there with 100% accurate target identification. If you think yours can do it
more power to you. However for this to happen technology needs to improve or change.

 

[Heatho]

I think we need to take ONE step back,

We are comparing Detectors Not people,,

Running the Screen wide open is in effect using it in all metal, Not DICS and it is in the DISC mode that there seems to be some Grey Areas,

I see Ron Air Testing it On Gold which it does not do too well At But it IS seeing them and that is All That Matters,

John

Well said.

In the end though we can agree to disagree but no matter how much you spend on a coin/relic detector
there is no detector out there with 100% accurate target identification. If you think yours can do it
more power to you. However for this to happen technology needs to improve or change.

Most sensible comment for the last several pages. I agree Wolf 100%.

 

[Ridge Runner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ovwAnJKsA here is a really fair review and comparison of the ctx having problems by a guy who said he wished the ctx was better .wide open screen .

I can immediately see one problem with this bodgy test and you are not meant to enable ground balance unless in heavy mineralisation. Also he never used the pinpoint trace. I only need one peep from the detector to investigate further. Also he said he "didn't want to sweep over a target for 5 mins to analyse it", I'd already have removed it and dug several others by then,lol.

Also Blake why would anyone want line up 5 coins and run a detctor over them without digging them up??? I tried 2 coins next to each other this morning and the pinpoint trace shows you the 2 coins, it's awesome.

The CTX is not slow like you are describing it, not for me anyhow. Most of these youtube "tests" should be taken with a grain of salt to be honest as most really are not done that well using the various functions correctly or are not even setup correctly. What you are saying about 5 coins in a row only makes sense if you have 10 arms and can remove 5 different targets simultaneously.

It seems you really have an agenda against minelab.......

I think you should start your own thread on the deus and your finds and settings and stop cluttering this one up with nonsense.

The other videos with the tub of dirrt was a bit dodgy also, none of these tests are real world detecting scenarios......

Heath, The 5 coins thing is Only to Demo the speed At which a Machine can switch from one target to another and if you put Iron nails between Coins 1 and 3 and 3 and 5 it will show you the Recovery IE how long the Iron mask takes to let the Threshold Return, Which simulates what happens out in the field when you pass over an Iron Target and there is a Good Target right next to It, On one Iron Nail that can be 5 to 6 inches and if there is a wanted target within that 6 inches then it get lost/Missed, On larger pieces of Iron like a door hinge that can turn into over a Foot before the threshold returns if you have 3 or 4 Iron Targets in your sweep area that can be as much as 4 feet before the Threshold Returns, This is Not about running the screen wide open (All Metal) It is about Running it In DISC Mode,

Hope this helps,, John

 

[Ridge Runner]

The thing with using the DISC on any Detector Depending on they Brand and settings SOME will make the Target Vanish altogether with SOME it will Make a Low Tone etc, SOME do Both,

With FBS systems you get Multi Tones And Variable Tones, If you switch to 2 Tones that's a better place to start, The Most confusing part about these machines is when they give you multiple Target ID Numbers So far my Record stands at Around 8 or 9 Pairs of ID's of the One Target, I asked the Dealers about this and they said ignore the screen, well that's A whole new Subject

Where it is Claimed by many that FBS systems have a first Rate ID, I just don't know how anyone can make such A Claim when you Get 8 sets of ID's for ONE Item, As beautiful as these Machines Are, I find the Recovery and the ID system The Most Annoying,

I would go as far to say it is One of the Greatest Looking Machines ever Made, But it is just those 2 silly things that stopped my from buying One Last Month, and that's a shame because I really Like It,

john

 

[Narrawa]

I was under the impression the 3030 didn't have a true all metal mode....even when its open...its still in Disc. Pinpoint was the only way to get it into full AM.?

I could be wrong.? :8

Go the Noktas!!!! :lol: :lol: