The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Ridge Runner]

I have no affiliation with any brand of detector, love the Deus, as I loved Minelabs PIs and now love their GPZ. The Deus is my second detector I purchased specifically for coins, I have mainly used detectors for gold for 35+years. My first being a Xterra 705 a very capable machine but not up there with the CTX or Deus. It is not designed to compete with them.

Have you tried using the GPZ for coins yet?

I Tried it with the GP 3500 quite A few Times

Seriously I think the ZED would punish you real bad searching for coins.

That`s why I bought the Deus, horses for courses, seriously.

Like you when I first used a machine with a fast recovery I was Shocked to see what I had been missing, I found 3 Good 18 carat Items in one sweep of the coil and I had a total of 16.7 grams of Gold In an area I had done at leased 4 times A month for about 5 years and so had everyone else, they were all Dated 1917, One Ring weighed 9.3 grams with A 4mm Diamond in it. I will never go back to using BBS or FBS systems,

John

 

[grubstake]

Wireless gives less lag then copper.

And you base this statement on what exactly?

Wireless internet operation through the mobile phone network as quoted in my original posts. Check out the speed of wireless communication compared to copper, wireless can be beaten by fibre-light but not by copper. You believe differently?

Your example isn't relevant to the discussion at hand. The Deus' apparent lack of lag is more likely to be due to optimised firmware and fast CPU's, than its use of a wireless link, which in theory imposes constraints on data transmission rates that don't exist in a hard-wired coil to control box system. I think the wily French are showing up the lazy engineering of their competitors! :lol:

 

[Ridge Runner]

Iv found coins with the 4500, not something id purposely go out with looking for coins. Some of the depths PIs are capable of finding coins at, can leave you exhausted.

Best dig was 26"on a penny at Hill End....i do have it on vid, but my grammar is a little disturbing for youtubing it.... :lol:

Upload it, and make it unlisted, they seem to allow profanity now anyway.

No, Because you have led a Sheltered Life we are going to protect you from such things and the Sins of the Flesh

 

[rocketaroo]

Iv found coins with the 4500, not something id purposely go out with looking for coins. Some of the depths PIs are capable of finding coins at, can leave you exhausted.

Best dig was 26"on a penny at Hill End....i do have it on vid, but my grammar is a little disturbing for youtubing it.... :lol:

Upload it, and make it unlisted, they seem to allow profanity now anyway.

No, Because you have led a Sheltered Life we are going to protect you from such things and the Sins of the Flesh

what happens in the bush, stays in the bush?

 

[Ridge Runner]

Iv found coins with the 4500, not something id purposely go out with looking for coins. Some of the depths PIs are capable of finding coins at, can leave you exhausted.

Best dig was 26"on a penny at Hill End....i do have it on vid, but my grammar is a little disturbing for youtubing it.... :lol:

Upload it, and make it unlisted, they seem to allow profanity now anyway.

No, Because you have led a Sheltered Life we are going to protect you from such things and the Sins of the Flesh

what happens in the bush, stays in the bush?

Ok then,

Except for Gold Bring that Home

 

[Narrawa]

Best to let that one through to the keeper im afraid.... the world is not ready for new discoveries in ozy slang.

 

[Narrawa]

Regardless of its performance using wireless technology, the wow factor that we all look for in a coin relic machine is still absent from the Dues and many other makes and models. Easily seen by the many youtube vids on hand.

Each top end machine boasts something fancy to relieve you of your $$, V-flex, BBS/FBS ect ect.....but at the end of the day......you still dig screw caps, ring pulls and bottle caps no matter how much spin you want to put on it...and no matter how well you think your able to by pass these tortures. Disc or ignore them, and you leave the goodies behind.

The Dues is a brilliant bit of gear no argument there, yet so were a handful of makes and models that came before it...many still in use/sold today.

Add up all the so called benefits each and every make model boasted at the time of its arrival, and we should have been able to put the annoyances still being dug up today, behind us some time back. Hows that going by the way.?? :lol: More money being spent on faster this that and the other thing, and still no better than many from the past.

Its all good fun tho right.??

 

[Ridge Runner]

Regardless of its performance using wireless technology, the wow factor that we all look for in a coin relic machine is still absent from the Dues and many other makes and models. Easily seen by the many youtube vids on hand.

Each top end machine boasts something fancy to relieve you of your $$, V-flex, BBS/FBS ect ect.....but at the end of the day......you still dig screw caps, ring pulls and bottle caps no matter how much spin you want to put on it...and no matter how well you think your able to by pass these tortures. Disc or ignore them, and you leave the goodies behind.

The Dues is a brilliant bit of gear no argument there, yet so were a handful of makes and models that came before it...many still in use/sold today.

Add up all the so called benefits each and every make model boasted at the time of its arrival, and we should have been able to put the annoyances still being dug up today, behind us some time back. Hows that going by the way.?? :lol: More money being spent on faster this that and the other thing, and still no better than many from the past.

Its all good fun tho right.??

It's quite surprizing how many people still over GIAN their machines causing the to miss ID items, This is very Easy to do with our Modern High Gain Machines, Some machines even tell you to reduce the Gain although the warning is set to pop up when it is way up high to Allow you to run it hotter if you want.

Running the Gain Too Hot will Blind any Machine causing it to miss ID or worse Totally not see the Target.

john

 

[Goldpick]

Just a reply to some earlier concerns on the Deus, it does indeed have a loudspeaker in the control box, and battery life for the coil should offer between 11-15 hours operating time, and the control box should offer up to 27 hours detecting time. If you need to top up during lunch break, the emergency AA charger that comes with the detector can top up the battery for an extra 3 hours with a 30 minute charge, or an extra 5 hours for a 60 minute charge. So there should be more than enough battery capacity to last a couple of lengthy hunts without issue.

The added advantage of this setup, is that you can charge up the Deus away from any power source where the wall charger can't be utilised, or alternatively use the 12v car charger or the solar panel also offered by XP.

Having wireless audio is also a non issue, I am yet to see anyone make any sorts of complaints in this area, in fact most seem amazed at the clear lack of lag on the Deus. Either way you are not forced to utilise the wireless setup, as headphones can be used with the main control box.

 

[Narrawa]

Goldpick, some interesting points and info you bring to the table regarding the battery. Gives reason for pause.

Having wireless audio is also a non issue, I am yet to see anyone make any sorts of complaints in this area, in fact most seem amazed at the clear lack of lag on the Deus. Either way you are not forced to utilise the wireless setup, as headphones can be used with the main control box.

I should have mad my thoughts on lag a little more clearer when i brought it up....it was not the lag due to it being wireless that was my train of thought when posting....more lag due to high demands on the processor. This can be seen in many vids on youtube....yet its not Dues specific....its most high end machines....i noticed it back in my days of the Explorers. I still see it today in the 3030 and have seen it in my v3i. Call it recovery speed if you like, but on units where you can manipulate the recovery speed, you still need to alter your swing speed when you load them up.
Running them open and the problem is by far less an issue....especially on the v3i, which when you spend some time with it shows you many different things about units that are not so adjustable.
Both the Dues and 3030 would be awesome detectors if more was available to alter...even if those things were only able to be reprogrammed/altered via the PC control. This would stop one spending so much time out in the field trying to better adjust.

Toying with the idea of selling my v3i is taunt with the fact id be pretty disappointed buying another high end detector that could not match/better some very useful parameters that are user adjustable like on the v3i. And that is the rut you find your self in after having something like the v3i, and getting to know how it works.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Goldpick, some interesting points and info you bring to the table regarding the battery. Gives reason for pause.

Having wireless audio is also a non issue, I am yet to see anyone make any sorts of complaints in this area, in fact most seem amazed at the clear lack of lag on the Deus. Either way you are not forced to utilise the wireless setup, as headphones can be used with the main control box.

I should have mad my thoughts on lag a little more clearer when i brought it up....it was not the lag due to it being wireless that was my train of thought when posting....more lag due to high demands on the processor. This can be seen in many vids on youtube....yet its not Dues specific....its most high end machines....i noticed it back in my days of the Explorers. I still see it today in the 3030 and have seen it in my v3i. Call it recovery speed if you like, but on units where you can manipulate the recovery speed, you still need to alter your swing speed when you load them up.
Running them open and the problem is by far less an issue....especially on the v3i, which when you spend some time with it shows you many different things about units that are not so adjustable.
Both the Dues and 3030 would be awesome detectors if more was available to alter...even if those things were only able to be reprogrammed/altered via the PC control. This would stop one spending so much time out in the field trying to better adjust.

Toying with the idea of selling my v3i is taunt with the fact id be pretty disappointed buying another high end detector that could not match/better some very useful parameters that are user adjustable like on the v3i. And that is the rut you find your self in after having something like the v3i, and getting to know how it works.

That's why I won't Ditch the MXT, My GMT is for A Project I have got going and the SL has it's place in hot ground with junk,

I wouldn't mind the V3i but because it has A big learning curve I would have to get one when my other projects are not so time consuming, Because a machine like that Deserves your full Attention,

John

 

[Narrawa]

I wouldn't mind the V3i but because it has A big learning curve I would have to get one when my other projects are not so time consuming, Because a machine like that Deserves your full Attention,

It has many different factory pre set programs that do work pretty good in our parks and backyards/beaches. You dont have to fiddle with anything if you dont want to....however...you do have to learn which gain controls work in certain programs due to having three of them to fiddle with. :lol:

Its even got an MXT mode which i guess is suppose to mimic the MXT. ....you could mix it up a tad by opting to use settings like...Correlate, Best Data, normalized VDI, adjusting the span for rap around, frequency off set, GB off set, all metal, tone ID, Mixed Mode, Stereo Mixed Mode for headphone users...thats iron in one ear and Disc in the other. Threshold based disc with iron audio on off or anywhere in between since its able to fully adjust more audio options than a sound studio....not to mention the ability to set a tone for every VDI number available... Or you could if you like to get heavily involved...set multiple notch settings combined with your tone selections, or group your notch selections leaving your desirable tones set to VCO audio. Tighten your recovery speed allowing you to step up your swing speed, add boost to thump out a little more from your modulated, or unmodulated audio. Turn on/off things you have probably never thought possible due to those items not being available in most other makes and models.??
Adjust the drawing times of various screen functions in Analyze mode, change the colors of the search screens and ten thousand other items available to colorize to your liking....set various search and Analyze screens and the amount of information you would like to appear on the screen..depth, VDI size, icon size/color/ including the icons for various detecting styles...prospecting, park hunting, ect ect.

Used in single frequency of your choice has also got its benefits, but i wont go into that, you get the drift. Oh!!! i almost forgot to mention the two menu systems...one for the newbie called the six block menu or similar...and the Expert menu for those who like to dabble into the backs of TV sets without being electrocuted. 8)

So nothing to be afraid of, turn it on, pick a program and away you go...basic stuff.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Seems like they Added a lot of cosmetic things to change that are more visual than Detecting Based, I am surprised they did not put a 500 or a 1000+ way point GPS in there. Maybe that will be in there with the next update.

 

[Guest]

The V3i has always been a interesting machine too me but I'm not sure if I can be bothered you know what I mean? Most of all the other plastic fantastic's could turn a quick Hr in the local park to sitting on the swing scratching your head' thinking geez' where am I...

 

[Nuggetbuster]

I wouldn't mind the V3i but because it has A big learning curve I would have to get one when my other projects are not so time consuming, Because a machine like that Deserves your full Attention,

It has many different factory pre set programs that do work pretty good in our parks and backyards/beaches. You dont have to fiddle with anything if you dont want to....however...you do have to learn which gain controls work in certain programs due to having three of them to fiddle with. :lol:

Its even got an MXT mode which i guess is suppose to mimic the MXT. ....you could mix it up a tad by opting to use settings like...Correlate, Best Data, normalized VDI, adjusting the span for rap around, frequency off set, GB off set, all metal, tone ID, Mixed Mode, Stereo Mixed Mode for headphone users...thats iron in one ear and Disc in the other. Threshold based disc with iron audio on off or anywhere in between since its able to fully adjust more audio options than a sound studio....not to mention the ability to set a tone for every VDI number available... Or you could if you like to get heavily involved...set multiple notch settings combined with your tone selections, or group your notch selections leaving your desirable tones set to VCO audio. Tighten your recovery speed allowing you to step up your swing speed, add boost to thump out a little more from your modulated, or unmodulated audio. Turn on/off things you have probably never thought possible due to those items not being available in most other makes and models.??
Adjust the drawing times of various screen functions in Analyze mode, change the colors of the search screens and ten thousand other items available to colorize to your liking....set various search and Analyze screens and the amount of information you would like to appear on the screen..depth, VDI size, icon size/color/ including the icons for various detecting styles...prospecting, park hunting, ect ect.

Used in single frequency of your choice has also got its benefits, but i wont go into that, you get the drift. Oh!!! i almost forgot to mention the two menu systems...one for the newbie called the six block menu or similar...and the Expert menu for those who like to dabble into the backs of TV sets without being electrocuted. 8)

So nothing to be afraid of, turn it on, pick a program and away you go...basic stuff.

Ok so you've given a brief description of some of the basic controls... Could you please tell us about some of the more in-depth features?

 

[Narrawa]

Seems like they Added a lot of cosmetic things to change that are more visual than Detecting Based, I am surprised they did not put a 500 or a 1000+ way point GPS in there. Maybe that will be in there with the next update.

I never touched the surface of the detector in that little introduction...not even a wee bit. :lol:

 

[Guest]

The V3i has always been a interesting machine too me but I'm not sure if I can be bothered you know what I mean? Most of all the other plastic fantastic's could turn a quick Hr in the local park to sitting on the swing scratching your head' thinking geez' where am I...

Spot on.

This is why after owning the Deus and the v3i
i decided To keep the Deus. The other reason
Was the weight factor.

Contrary to what some may think the Deus has
been a Leap of technology all packed in a super
light weight Package. This includes choice of
frequency, iron volume,And wireless setup and
Continous free software updates. This is no
Good though for detector sellers as people
Won't need to sell up and upgrade.

As an example the gold program was only
introduced in the last update.

I do love the setup of the mxt though.
A few years ago I did buy one from the US
But received the wrong detector. Its one
I may purchase in the future if buying
Conditions are right.

I am hoping though the next leap of technoogy is
some type target in ground reading technology.

As always though each to their own.

 

[rocketaroo]

The only secondhand deus, that I have ever seen for sale, was on gumtree, 600 with no remote unit. I shouldave found a way to buy it.

 

[Guest]

I had a MXT' well I traded my proven GMT on a new one as I always did so good with the GMT, bad move the MXT was completely different in my eyes than the GMT, most say otherwise but I disagree! To cut it short I hated the MXT! It's been talked up a lot over the years and a well proven machine but I simply expected more so off it went...
My eyes have always prick't up over the V3i but waiting this long now I may as wait a bit longer and see what whites have coming next.

 

[Ridge Runner]

The V3i has always been a interesting machine too me but I'm not sure if I can be bothered you know what I mean? Most of all the other plastic fantastic's could turn a quick Hr in the local park to sitting on the swing scratching your head' thinking geez' where am I...

My MXT All Pro is Like A GTHO Ph III,

The V3i is like the Modern Equivalent with All them sensors and Black Boxes

Both Are fast As, But The GTHO will Always Put A Smile On ya Face When you hit Second Gear,

Brutal, God I miss them Cars, Happy Times