The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Ridge Runner]

the problem i see with the ctx and the etrac is they both have very powerful silencers built in and sure this may stop you from digging alot of trash but it also works against you masking good targets in iron like coins etc .i figured this out when i had my ctx3030 for 2 yrs and i would hunt heaps of parks i would find coins but not as much as i expected in the back of my mind i knew something was a miss .

well long story short after arguing with alot of poms online about how the ctx was superior and they constantly badgered me telling me the ctx masked good targets in iron i bit the bullet .i got a deus went out to several parks i had hunted to death and i literally found 100s of coins with it all over the place i couldnt believe my eyes because instead of coming home with $15 a hunt and a sore are i was now making $50 a hunt and no sore arm .

but i had to figure out why this was so i did some tests .i ran the deus in silencer 4 in a few parks then i ran the ctx and i only found a few coins i reverted my settings on the deus and again 100s of coins out of the ground and i realised something .when the deus is on silencer 4 it only lets in the purest of signals so if a coin is on a slant there is a good chance the deus will mask it or not see it and when i put the deus on silencer 2 or below it seen the coin again .the same would happen with the ctx i had coins in the ground the ctx couldnt see and the deus wouldnt see on silencer 4 but as soon as i dropped the silencer to 2 the deus would see them and this is what i realised .

you have to dig trash thats all there is to it if you dont your missing targets because yeh sure you can silence signals but if you do you also silence good targets and this is why i stayed with the deus and sold the ctx because its been a problem of fbs technology for yrs now ive had mates who i had to point these things out to at first they didnt believe me so i had to show them and in the end they were also shocked .

dont get me wrong i dont hate minelab i was a huge supported but this is one of the flaws in fbs technology i found .the silencer in the etrac and the ctx is to strong and yeh sure you dont dig as much trash as other detectors but you also dont find as many good targets as other detectors and i can put any money on it if you use a deus and i use a ctx you will find more than me i have no doubt now that i understand how the detectors work .anyway this is just my 2 cents .the deus has made me a aweful lot of money detecting and i wouldnt trade it for the world .

And That Is The Truth, 101%, I have seen this Dozens of times and been through it My Self, It's Not about Bagging Minelab because they Make some real Hot property, But BBS and FBS Just can not Match these Fast Machines,

John

yeh i truly have to agree with you .i was a huge minelab fan and to spend nearly 3grand on a detector you know i was serious when it came to minelab but i realised this is fbs biggest flaw not only does it null out over iron with good targets in it .its recovery is way to slow .i mean you would think for something that cost so much you would get a faster recovery .we dont care about colour screens and the gps and stuff we just want speed and depth granted the ctx has the depth but whats depth without recovery speed .

i remember i lined 5 goldies up next to each other and swept the coil about 3 seconds each way and the minelab was only picking up 3 of those targets i did the same with the deus and it didnt matter how fast i swung it it picked up everything and that was the time i realised the ctx wasnt as good as it was made out to be .because i had been going over ground and missing heaps of targets constantly i was very annoyed when i realised this .when i got the deus i realised just how incredible it really is all the areas i had hunted out with the ctx multiple times were producing heaps and heaps of coins not just a handful but 100s of dollars worth .

i also found my first sixpence they other day which i was stoked .but that was the first time i decided to search deeper .

When I line up a load of targets I get A Machine Gun sound when I sweep it fast as It Reports On Every Target, and I miss Nothing, and If I want to search deep I just slow down a little and I pull items beyond a Foot deep, and I have 60 hours+ battery Life, perfect for when you go bush and Power is Important,

I Like Minelab, As A Company they have worked wonders, But every ring pull and bottle top or Gum wrapper has made A need for faster Machines and it's getting worse with every Parent who does not Bring up their Kids Right and teach them not to dump rubbish everywhere,

John

 

[Heatho]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

 

[Norvic]

Lot of sense there Heatho, first coins I ever got was with a A2B (back last century) lots of them, dig everything, we are a wee spoilt now but leave lots of coins until we revert to dig all. Lightweight machine the way to go, use visual and tone dicrim if you wish, or dig all. The more detecting coins has changed the more it is the same.

 

[blakegarv]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

i get this alot (you didnt set it up properly and what not ) the thing is i had 5 ctx3030 veterans behind me and we all realised the same thing .the problem with the ctx is its heavy and noone wants to be out on the field taking slow swings with a machine that feels like its gonna break your arm after 45mins of use .the other problem is if there is multiple targets the ctx will just null out in most cases and miss the targets .here is a example one time i was out with the deus and i did a long sweep of the coil and i heard beep ,beep,beep,beep, now the targets were all very close to each other so close that the ctx would of just nulled out over half of them .i thought it was just the deus playing up but i checked anyway long story short it was 3 $2 coins and $1 coin now i dont know another detector on the market that has that sort of recovery maybe 1 or 2 vlfs but its very rare to have a detector be able to do that and i was standing there with my mouth open because it was insane at how fast i was swinging and the deus picked them up like it was nothing .now i know 100% if i was using the ctx i would of missed half these targets if not all of them because i was swinging 2 seconds each way and the only time my ctx would detect coins was 3-4 seconds each way no matter how i set it up and i set it up will all the recommended programs and veteran programs guys who had mastered the ctx .

i knew one guy who would go to the beach with full open screen on the ctx and every other detectorist would go ahead of him and find nothing and he was picking targets out like a needle in a haystack .well even tho he was good with the machine he eventually sold it because he would be there all day and it was a incredibly slow process and his arm would hurt after a while .

dont get me wrong if you master it it is a good machine but in most cases its impractical because noone wants to be hunting for 3 hrs when they can do the same with a deus in 1.5 and not come home aching .when i say the ctx nulls over iron this is a fact its been shown in many videos on youtube ive known 5 guys who say it does and ive had it happen to me multiple times .if you swing the ctx snail pace slow then you most likely wont miss targets but you also will most likely have a chiropractor bill you cant jump over in a few months time .

 

[blakegarv]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

the aldi is vlf tho so it is lets say a brother to the deus .it may not have the deus recovery speed but it will be better recovery than the ctx .because the ctx is fbs and fbs is snail pace slow .

 

[blakegarv]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

the aldi is vlf tho so it is lets say a brother to the deus .it may not have the deus recovery speed but it will be better recovery than the ctx .because the ctx is fbs and fbs is snail pace slow .also a etrac will without question beat a aldi because a aldi is a $99 detector its almost a toy if anything .the etrac will go alot deeper than the aldi probably 6 inches last time i talked to a guy using a aldi he was getting 3-4 inches at best . .

 

[Heatho]

The weight doesn't really bother me, it's no heavier than my SDC and I can swing that for 8-10 hour sessions over rocky and un-level ground. The aldi I bought as a joke and it's paid for half a CTX in coins alone minus all the nice jewellery it's found, etrac is much better than the aldi and I'm sure the CTX will be better again.

Just bought 1 today actually so we'll see how it goes I guess. Those deep silvers got nowhere to hide now.

 

[Guest]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

If you wish to rely on discrimination and dig whats not being discriminated out this is
up to you because this is how I am reading your remarks.

The only discrimination I trust is on my cz3d and the reason behind that is the way it works
without losing depth.

No one is stating because the recovery speed is fast you need to swing it fast. This is not
what this is all about.

Fast recovery speed is how fast the detector detects after each located target.

Add the iron volume and its pure magic because you can hear the buzzing of
the iron rather than have it discriminated out with a possible of good target
masking.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

A Fast Recovery is more about being able to separate multiple targets and As the Coil comes off an Iron target the Machine having the Ability to pick up A wanted Target within 1 or 2 cms or less right next to It in the DISC Mode.

As Good as the CTX, Etracs and Explorers and the Sovereigns Are They Just Can't Do It, In most places I know the threshold nulls and does not return until the coil is up to 4 feet away, With the Deus and other machines the threshold returns with Less than half an Inch Not 48 inches because A Person could miss out on 95 targets at that Rate of Detection because of the Iron masking Threshold,

Last month I went to Buy the CTX and the Only thing that stopped me was the Blanking, I really wanted that Machine, I like everything About it, But that Damn Blanking made me walk out the door without It, Minelab could put a 10ghz processor in that Machine but until they do away with that Stupid Iron Mask then its Just No Good, On the Sovereign GT they even put and On/Off switch on it for the Iron Mask and it does NOT work even in the Off Position it is still running in the Back ground,
The Bottom Line Is, The FOUR major player better Start Listening To Us, Because People/Companies Like XP, Racer and Nokta are Going To Knock them Off The Top Spots, Because if there is a problem or an Accessory Needed It Is Done within weeks Not Months or even years,

I defy ANY one with A CTX to Go up In A Head to Head with the DEUS or the RACER on A junk filled site or any other fast Recovering Machine,
XP are always giving out FREE software Updates, It took less than 6 People to ask RACER for a 6X10 Coil and within A Few Weeks It was Done, I have Been asking Minelab Since 2006 to do Away the Iron Masking and it is Still there, ALL of the TOP FOUR Companies Build what THEY want and NOT what WE NEED and at A 3rd of the Price the RACER KILLS IT and the DEUS does it Too,
Someone On Another Forum has had the same Issue with the Etrac, Now he has a Faster Machine He is Digging Over 30 coins an Hour and Jewellery In an Area He has done to Death with the ETRAC for years with a Machine that was designed 17 years Ago. At that place in about 4 Trips he was up to the $150+ mark plus Jewellery,

I'm Sorry But no Matter How Much we love the Minelab ET, Sov GT and the CTX They Just Do Not Deliver, Period. and they are starting to Take the easy way out By Recycling Their Products in to other Machines and the Charging us A Fortune for Them, IE CTX into the GPZ and A Mine Detector (F3) into the SDC.

 

[SteelPat]

The CTX and GPZ are totally different machines. Only thing they have in common is a similar case design.

 

[Ridge Runner]

The CTX and GPZ are totally different machines. Only thing they have in common is a similar case design.

Yeah I know, but they share the case and the GPS Software and that is A Whole new Topic by it's self.

 

[Heatho]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

A Fast Recovery is more about being able to separate multiple targets and As the Coil comes off an Iron target the Machine having the Ability to pick up A wanted Target within 1 or 2 cms or less right next to It in the DISC Mode.

As Good as the CTX, Etracs and Explorers and the Sovereigns Are They Just Can't Do It, In most places I know the threshold nulls and does not return until the coil is up to 4 feet away, With the Deus and other machines the threshold returns with Less than half an Inch Not 48 inches because A Person could miss out on 95 targets at that Rate of Detection because of the Iron masking Threshold,

Last month I went to Buy the CTX and the Only thing that stopped me was the Blanking, I really wanted that Machine, I like everything About it, But that Damn Blanking made me walk out the door without It, Minelab could put a 10ghz processor in that Machine but until they do away with that Stupid Iron Mask then its Just No Good, On the Sovereign GT they even put and On/Off switch on it for the Iron Mask and it does NOT work even in the Off Position it is still running in the Back ground,
The Bottom Line Is, The FOUR major player better Start Listening To Us, Because People/Companies Like XP, Racer and Nokta are Going To Knock them Off The Top Spots, Because if there is a problem or an Accessory Needed It Is Done within weeks Not Months or even years,

I defy ANY one with A CTX to Go up In A Head to Head with the DEUS or the RACER on A junk filled site or any other fast Recovering Machine,
XP are always giving out FREE software Updates, It took less than 6 People to ask RACER for a 6X10 Coil and within A Few Weeks It was Done, I have Been asking Minelab Since 2006 to do Away the Iron Masking and it is Still there, ALL of the TOP FOUR Companies Build what THEY want and NOT what WE NEED and at A 3rd of the Price the RACER KILLS IT and the DEUS does it Too,
Someone On Another Forum has had the same Issue with the Etrac, Now he has a Faster Machine He is Digging Over 30 coins an Hour and Jewellery In an Area He has done to Death with the ETRAC for years with a Machine that was designed 17 years Ago. At that place in about 4 Trips he was up to the $150+ mark plus Jewellery,

I'm Sorry But no Matter How Much we love the Minelab ET, Sov GT and the CTX They Just Do Not Deliver, Period. and they are starting to Take the easy way out By Recycling Their Products in to other Machines and the Charging us A Fortune for Them, IE CTX into the GPZ and A Mine Detector (F3) into the SDC.

Bought a CTX today and it is in one word AWESOME!!! A certain amount of luck is always critical, I'm not into competition detecting. With an open screen and no discrim there is no blanking I'm aware of.

Check out my first hunt. https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12808

 

[blakegarv]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

A Fast Recovery is more about being able to separate multiple targets and As the Coil comes off an Iron target the Machine having the Ability to pick up A wanted Target within 1 or 2 cms or less right next to It in the DISC Mode.

As Good as the CTX, Etracs and Explorers and the Sovereigns Are They Just Can't Do It, In most places I know the threshold nulls and does not return until the coil is up to 4 feet away, With the Deus and other machines the threshold returns with Less than half an Inch Not 48 inches because A Person could miss out on 95 targets at that Rate of Detection because of the Iron masking Threshold,

Last month I went to Buy the CTX and the Only thing that stopped me was the Blanking, I really wanted that Machine, I like everything About it, But that Damn Blanking made me walk out the door without It, Minelab could put a 10ghz processor in that Machine but until they do away with that Stupid Iron Mask then its Just No Good, On the Sovereign GT they even put and On/Off switch on it for the Iron Mask and it does NOT work even in the Off Position it is still running in the Back ground,
The Bottom Line Is, The FOUR major player better Start Listening To Us, Because People/Companies Like XP, Racer and Nokta are Going To Knock them Off The Top Spots, Because if there is a problem or an Accessory Needed It Is Done within weeks Not Months or even years,

I defy ANY one with A CTX to Go up In A Head to Head with the DEUS or the RACER on A junk filled site or any other fast Recovering Machine,
XP are always giving out FREE software Updates, It took less than 6 People to ask RACER for a 6X10 Coil and within A Few Weeks It was Done, I have Been asking Minelab Since 2006 to do Away the Iron Masking and it is Still there, ALL of the TOP FOUR Companies Build what THEY want and NOT what WE NEED and at A 3rd of the Price the RACER KILLS IT and the DEUS does it Too,
Someone On Another Forum has had the same Issue with the Etrac, Now he has a Faster Machine He is Digging Over 30 coins an Hour and Jewellery In an Area He has done to Death with the ETRAC for years with a Machine that was designed 17 years Ago. At that place in about 4 Trips he was up to the $150+ mark plus Jewellery,

I'm Sorry But no Matter How Much we love the Minelab ET, Sov GT and the CTX They Just Do Not Deliver, Period. and they are starting to Take the easy way out By Recycling Their Products in to other Machines and the Charging us A Fortune for Them, IE CTX into the GPZ and A Mine Detector (F3) into the SDC.

personally i think minelab already have been knocked of the top perch i remember seeing a survey saying the deus was the no1 selling detector in the world now but i could be wrong .yeh the ctx and etrac all fbs detectors are very slow in recovery and null out in iron i used to argue with people who own the deus all the time till i seen the results for myself long story short me and 5 other guys sold our ctxs now we only use xp detectors because of this fact .

i dont think ill ever buy another minelab till they put better cpus or faster cpus in thier machines this is why the ctx is so slow because they have a average cpu in it and one that isnt fast enough for the machine thats the only conclusion i can come up with the numbers are jumpy after 4inches and its incredibly slow target recovery the only place the ctx is ok would be in massive fields with little to no iron and thats the honest truth but people argue with me all the time because they cant handle the truth and the prices of minelab detectors is like a slap in the face i feel let down by minelab i was a loyal user of thiers but after the massive price boost and the slower than cheaper detector recovery i went deus and havent looked back .my deus still gets 12" with the 11" coil no problems .

 

[blakegarv]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

A Fast Recovery is more about being able to separate multiple targets and As the Coil comes off an Iron target the Machine having the Ability to pick up A wanted Target within 1 or 2 cms or less right next to It in the DISC Mode.

As Good as the CTX, Etracs and Explorers and the Sovereigns Are They Just Can't Do It, In most places I know the threshold nulls and does not return until the coil is up to 4 feet away, With the Deus and other machines the threshold returns with Less than half an Inch Not 48 inches because A Person could miss out on 95 targets at that Rate of Detection because of the Iron masking Threshold,

Last month I went to Buy the CTX and the Only thing that stopped me was the Blanking, I really wanted that Machine, I like everything About it, But that Damn Blanking made me walk out the door without It, Minelab could put a 10ghz processor in that Machine but until they do away with that Stupid Iron Mask then its Just No Good, On the Sovereign GT they even put and On/Off switch on it for the Iron Mask and it does NOT work even in the Off Position it is still running in the Back ground,
The Bottom Line Is, The FOUR major player better Start Listening To Us, Because People/Companies Like XP, Racer and Nokta are Going To Knock them Off The Top Spots, Because if there is a problem or an Accessory Needed It Is Done within weeks Not Months or even years,

I defy ANY one with A CTX to Go up In A Head to Head with the DEUS or the RACER on A junk filled site or any other fast Recovering Machine,
XP are always giving out FREE software Updates, It took less than 6 People to ask RACER for a 6X10 Coil and within A Few Weeks It was Done, I have Been asking Minelab Since 2006 to do Away the Iron Masking and it is Still there, ALL of the TOP FOUR Companies Build what THEY want and NOT what WE NEED and at A 3rd of the Price the RACER KILLS IT and the DEUS does it Too,
Someone On Another Forum has had the same Issue with the Etrac, Now he has a Faster Machine He is Digging Over 30 coins an Hour and Jewellery In an Area He has done to Death with the ETRAC for years with a Machine that was designed 17 years Ago. At that place in about 4 Trips he was up to the $150+ mark plus Jewellery,

I'm Sorry But no Matter How Much we love the Minelab ET, Sov GT and the CTX They Just Do Not Deliver, Period. and they are starting to Take the easy way out By Recycling Their Products in to other Machines and the Charging us A Fortune for Them, IE CTX into the GPZ and A Mine Detector (F3) into the SDC.

Bought a CTX today and it is in one word AWESOME!!! A certain amount of luck is always critical, I'm not into competition detecting. With an open screen and no discrim there is no blanking I'm aware of.

Check out my first hunt. https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12808

there is heaps of blanking amoungst iron .i wish you all the luck with your finds tho .

 

[Ridge Runner]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

A Fast Recovery is more about being able to separate multiple targets and As the Coil comes off an Iron target the Machine having the Ability to pick up A wanted Target within 1 or 2 cms or less right next to It in the DISC Mode.

As Good as the CTX, Etracs and Explorers and the Sovereigns Are They Just Can't Do It, In most places I know the threshold nulls and does not return until the coil is up to 4 feet away, With the Deus and other machines the threshold returns with Less than half an Inch Not 48 inches because A Person could miss out on 95 targets at that Rate of Detection because of the Iron masking Threshold,

Last month I went to Buy the CTX and the Only thing that stopped me was the Blanking, I really wanted that Machine, I like everything About it, But that Damn Blanking made me walk out the door without It, Minelab could put a 10ghz processor in that Machine but until they do away with that Stupid Iron Mask then its Just No Good, On the Sovereign GT they even put and On/Off switch on it for the Iron Mask and it does NOT work even in the Off Position it is still running in the Back ground,
The Bottom Line Is, The FOUR major player better Start Listening To Us, Because People/Companies Like XP, Racer and Nokta are Going To Knock them Off The Top Spots, Because if there is a problem or an Accessory Needed It Is Done within weeks Not Months or even years,

I defy ANY one with A CTX to Go up In A Head to Head with the DEUS or the RACER on A junk filled site or any other fast Recovering Machine,
XP are always giving out FREE software Updates, It took less than 6 People to ask RACER for a 6X10 Coil and within A Few Weeks It was Done, I have Been asking Minelab Since 2006 to do Away the Iron Masking and it is Still there, ALL of the TOP FOUR Companies Build what THEY want and NOT what WE NEED and at A 3rd of the Price the RACER KILLS IT and the DEUS does it Too,
Someone On Another Forum has had the same Issue with the Etrac, Now he has a Faster Machine He is Digging Over 30 coins an Hour and Jewellery In an Area He has done to Death with the ETRAC for years with a Machine that was designed 17 years Ago. At that place in about 4 Trips he was up to the $150+ mark plus Jewellery,

I'm Sorry But no Matter How Much we love the Minelab ET, Sov GT and the CTX They Just Do Not Deliver, Period. and they are starting to Take the easy way out By Recycling Their Products in to other Machines and the Charging us A Fortune for Them, IE CTX into the GPZ and A Mine Detector (F3) into the SDC.

personally i think minelab already have been knocked of the top perch i remember seeing a survey saying the deus was the no1 selling detector in the world now but i could be wrong .yeh the ctx and etrac all fbs detectors are very slow in recovery and null out in iron i used to argue with people who own the deus all the time till i seen the results for myself long story short me and 5 other guys sold our ctxs now we only use xp detectors because of this fact .

i dont think ill ever buy another minelab till they put better cpus or faster cpus in thier machines this is why the ctx is so slow because they have a average cpu in it and one that isnt fast enough for the machine thats the only conclusion i can come up with the numbers are jumpy after 4inches and its incredibly slow target recovery the only place the ctx is ok would be in massive fields with little to no iron and thats the honest truth but people argue with me all the time because they cant handle the truth and the prices of minelab detectors is like a slap in the face i feel let down by minelab i was a loyal user of thiers but after the massive price boost and the slower than cheaper detector recovery i went deus and havent looked back .my deus still gets 12" with the 11" coil no problems .

I tried to make them work In Iron filled sites, I even Tried 8 other coil sizes and as much as I wanted them to work It just would Not, In good clean ground and the Beach they are very good,

When I go detecting I start early and come off the field when it is Dark and I will do this 7 days a week, I have come in Covered in ICE and In Snow, So I take my detecting very seriously and If I am prepared to work in those conditions then I need my machines to work and work well, Otherwise I would rather stay in the warm.

The Best Coin/Relic Machine Minelab ever made was the Musketeer Advantage, It was Blisteringly Fast and although it ran at 5khz it could see Really Tiny Items like real small Buckshot weighing 0.12gm and smaller and other bits too, That is one Machine I wish minelab would bring back or even Better the Relic Hawk Model with the Big coil and all the Kit/Bag etc. No Other Machine they have Made has ever been so much Fun to use and gives you the excitement to dig the next Target It was Just Incredible. In Fact I am almost tempted to say the Best VLF Machine Ever.

john

 

[blakegarv]

sounds cool as ill google it and check it out.yeh i tried to make the ctx work and no matter what program i used or advice i got it would still null and was so slow in recovery i couldnt handle it and the weight was rediculas .wow you take your detecting real serious .i wish i could detect 7 days a week would be great out in the fresh air and sun .

 

[Ridge Runner]

sounds cool as ill google it and check it out.yeh i tried to make the ctx work and no matter what program i used or advice i got it would still null and was so slow in recovery i couldnt handle it and the weight was rediculas .wow you take your detecting real serious .i wish i could detect 7 days a week would be great out in the fresh air and sun .

I do take it Seriously and I throw A heap of money in to it too, The Only Machine that give me back the same feeling is the MXT and the thing about the MXT is it is Better and faster and has a meter and the best tracking system to date but most of all A True Dedicated Prospecting Mode As Per GMT, and it has found more Gold than any other machine To Date since it's release in 2002.

But If they Bought back the Musketeer I would Be there to Buy The First One. They are still better than 95% of machines out there But There are now machines that are better than the Musketeer, But I Guarantee It Will Put A Smile On Your Face that Won't Wear Off.

I think Nenad/PT was One of the Field Testers at the Time back then.

John

 

[Goldpick]

Starting wander off the original topic guys. Blake, if you want to discuss alternative detectors to what you already have, might pay to start a new topic for some suggestions. Cheers

 

[Ridge Runner]

Starting wander off the original topic guys. Blake, if you want to discuss alternative detectors to what you already have, might pay to start a new topic for some suggestions. Cheers

Never, how can you say such a thing,lol

I was thinking that,

 

[Heatho]

Fast recovery speed over multiple targets is all well and good but you have to stop and dig each target 1 at a time, by the time you remove 1 target then you can detect and dig the next 1 and so on until there are none left. I don't see how recovery speed is going to get more, unless you can dig 5 targets simultaneously......

Even the deus manual says to slow down and not swing too fast, even though you can swing fast I just don't see the point. Best way to go is methodically and slow, the other week I got $110 over 2 sessions with my aldi in an area that was about 15m x 3m , would have been wasting my time swinging all over the place intead of going slow and steady.

Every session where I detect gets me pre dec coins with my aldi detector and when I started using an etrac finds increased markedly. Maybe you guys who don't like the CTX never had it set up correctly for the sites you were working??? Or were detecting too quickly instead of slowing down......

Got a nice Silver ring with the aldi yesterday in junk infested ground, lol.

If you wish to rely on discrimination and dig whats not being discriminated out this is
up to you because this is how I am reading your remarks.

The only discrimination I trust is on my cz3d and the reason behind that is the way it works
without losing depth.

No one is stating because the recovery speed is fast you need to swing it fast. This is not
what this is all about.

Fast recovery speed is how fast the detector detects after each located target.

Add the iron volume and its pure magic because you can hear the buzzing of
the iron rather than have it discriminated out with a possible of good target
masking.

Wolf mate I understand the whole recovery speed thing, I was stating that swinging like a mad man won't get more goodies. I am relying on discrimination and cherry picking the best targets first, once they are gone I'll re-detect the same patches with no discrim and see what comes out. If your not discriminating stuff out and you are digging every single target then a fast recovery speed is pointless as you are digging everything and no targets should remain. When I discriminate I don't want to hear the rejected targets as it would drive me mad.......

There are a numerous different ways to set up an etrac/CTX for many different situations, each setting has it's own merits for different things and they are extremely versatile. You can set up the CTX to lock onto good targets among the iron with the "high trash" setting, then target trace and pinpoint trace give you even more info again, then there is ferrous ground which will pick out the good targets among iron littered sites.