A Devil Of A Device Ready To Test Next Month

[Outback]

Dihusky ' I'm looking for a Big manufacturer who can supply enough units to cover demand world wide '
That won't be any small time players .

Big dry miners & detector makers should consider this ' why = Better gold weight return for effort . :idea:

Anyway I'm in no rush as the price of Gold will decide what happens

Jack .

 

[travelergold]

Jack, we hope you do find somebody to take this on.
We were very fortunate to see this in operation a few months ago now in tibbuburra and well, I was very impressed to say the least. I did put a post somewhere about it but what Jack has come up with is a new way of thinking for gold recovery. I cannot believe somebody else has not done something similar. (I certaily have seen nothing similar)
It produced flower gold and if there was gold in the dirt put through this unit, it caught it. What jack has developed would also to my way of thinking also be something that could be used commercially on a larger scale. What we saw packed down very small and went in car with ease. Could almost backpack it.
It is a pity that I could not take it to a few spots we have found in the west, as would surely pull oz's a day. Health just prohibits that.
I was very privileged to be given a chance to see this unit in operation, and am in no way connected to jack or any marketing, but wish him all the best with his marketing adventure. :Y:

 

[Dihusky]

Having read the earlier comments about what you have developed Jack, I hope you are talking to Patent Attorney about registering and possibly patenting what you have developed. I'm no lawyer, but I believe this is the right way to approach it before looking for a manufacturer, otherwise all your hard work could be lost without any recourse.

I think it unlikely a manufacturer would take the project on, let alone look at scaling the design concept to suit the commercial mining industry unless it is legally protected, I'm basing this having watched a few episodes of "Shark Tank" where a common question of those with something really interesting was about protection of their investment and patenting is I believe, the best protection.

 

[BigWave]

Best of luck Jack!
I had an L-Band Satcom bi-filar helix antenna design (built and tested) which had no patent and was copied without redress.
I was young but foolish.

 

[Whisp]

How does a patent protect you against the Chinese? They are after all such great respecters of intellectual property rights.

 

[Dignit]

I believe a Patent has to be taken out in every country in the World where you want it protected. I have a Lawyer friend who invented the Kouris Centri Turbine Generator. He spent all his early money on raising Patents all over the World, and renewing them constantly, whilst he built the global business. It costs a lot of money for on going protection. Being a Lawyer this was relatively easy for him, but still extremely expensive.
Even then once the Chinese get hold of it they are law unto themselves.
However if deemed worthwhile global protection is critical. My friend ended up challenging someone in Austria who tried to copy his design. His Patent in that part of the world enabled him to challenge the copy. It still cost him a lot of money in travel, time and legal expenses to challenge it.
Food for thought and investigation.

 

[Ded Driver]

that's one reason why with a lot of unique inventions, the inventor sells the intellectual property rights (sometimes with a royalties agreement) to a company large enough to have the money & resources to patent it
The challenge is to find that company that is keen to buy it.

 

[Tathradj]

An Australian Bloke invented a type of table saw for cutting down raw logs
to usable timber for building and such.
The Chinese copied it even down to the Manual word for word.

He fought it.

And Won. :Y: :Y:

How does a patent protect you against the Chinese? They are after all such great respecters of intellectual property rights.

 

[Smoky bandit]

There is always copies of everything....Slight adjustment here and there and call it something different ...If it's worth copying...then some one will.Good luck with it.

 

[Dihusky]

Maybe one can register and protect the methodology of the device, makes it a lot harder to copy by tweaking the design??

 

[Outback]

Thanks to all who wished me well with this long road to get this new tool .
Especially Davegold in the early years then Travelergold , a big 6' 4" powerful man with such a nice demeanor ' has found more gold then most ever score in two lifetimes .

I've looked into patents ' not affordable for me ' even if I managed to get each country that matters sorted ' Id'e need to be able to cover the huge costs to defend that patent when the copycats hit !

I've spent thousands of hours & dollars on this quest since 2013 , started to get results from the 2014 model so kept on making improvement variations .
Each new unit had to be actually made to test' costing me more money & time '' , so on & on prototype after prototype were made & tested to try & figure out the ultimate design .

I now have that design & the actual proven unit ! erfect:
Shame it's going to be a battle to get it released .

jack

 

[Outback]

Just some of the 2014 units , heaps of the later one's were not recorded .

jack .

 

[PabloP]

Jack, it is likely that you may never achieve the "ultimate design", as just about everything evolves into newer models. So I say just get a good one out there and providing you with a return, while working on improvements.

Rob P

 

[Outback]

Jack, it is likely that you may never achieve the "ultimate design", as just about everything evolves into newer models. So I say just get a good one out there and providing you with a return, while working on improvements.

Rob P

Pablo ,
I cant just get one out there , not interested to make these nor drop a lesser performing design unit on the market !

What is pertinent is that this device can get more gold weight per day then detectors on many dry area gold fields .

Jack .

 

[Dihusky]

If patenting is going to cost an arm&leg, just take out Aus Design Registration, covers you for 5 years with an additional 5 years, much cheaper and you have some protection. Then a smaller company can manufacture and get it to a hungry Aussie marketplace.

 

[Dignit]

Yes, look in to the Design Reg. All you need is a sketch and description, and it doesnt cost a lot.
With a Design Reg you have to do it before you release any to the market.
We do it at work for our new inventions. I know a Patent Lawyer who does them for the business I work for. Drop me a PM if you want their details. Cheers

 

[Outback]

Guys I've talked to a big Patent Lawyer firm ' there guy talked to me for long time then said I needed to sign an agreement so they could Help me !
I examined the contract they offered , without giving them the actual design details .
The wording of what they required was just Outrageous , fortunately I've still got a enough brains to understand contract wording .

As for the Aussie Design Reg option , costs about $1500 to set up , Worthless as can be copied & produced else where .

When I first started this quest I thought if I could make a better type of a dry gold concentrator that produced more gold return then anything before or now , then I would be on a winner .

What a crock that turned out :/
I've at last got the thing & still crippled .

Thanks for the positives .

Cheers & beers
Jack .

 

[Whisp]

Lawyers don't help you as much as they help themselves ..... to everything you have.

Reminds me of the tragedy of the bus load of lawyers that went over a cliff on their way to a convention .... the real tragedy was that there were six empty seats on the bus.

 

[Dignit]

Outback
I just copied this from Aust Gov IP Australia.
Not sure what your Patent Lawyer told you but it doesnt seem consistent with this explanation.

Last updated: 22 August 2019
Registration and certification are often confused. They are both stages in the design application process.

Registration
Registration protects your design for five years from the date the application was filed and can be renewed for a further five years.

If you do not renew your design it will cease. Once the design has ceased it passes into the public domain and is free for anyone to use.

A registered right gives you, the owner:

protection for the visual appearance of your product
exclusive rights to commercially use, license or sell the design.

Certification
Once a design has been registered it can be examined. If the examination results in certification your design right is then legally enforceable.

The benefits of certifying your design right are that if another person uses your design without your permission you can take action to stop them. You can only do this if your design is certified.

To be certified, a design must be new and distinctive.

The main purpose of examination is to find earlier, similar designs to the one you wish to protect. If the examiner finds an earlier design which looks too similar to yours, your design may not pass examination. It does not matter who owns the earlier design. Even your own earlier design can prevent you from protecting a later design.

The difference between registration and certification

There are six stages in the design process. Registration and certification occur at different stages:

you file a design
you can request your design be registered
we will do a formalities check
once the formalities check is successful and/or any issues are resolved your design is registered
once your design is registered we can examine the design if you have asked us to do this
if we find your design to be new and distinctive we advise you that your design is certified - meaning you now have legal exclusive rights over your design.

 

[Outback]

Dignit , I appreciate your research , even if I went down that road there is a bigger problem .
The cost of defending the design when copied !

I just want to sell or licence the thing ' as I'm not going to be manufacturing it .
In the mean time it just exists & bugger all happens .

Except when I use it . :money:

Cheers & beers
Jack