The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Ridge Runner]

can see your bare hand ? what you mean .

It Can and Does see or Signal on your Bare hand it is that Sensitive, usually Only Machines like the GMT and The Gold Bug II can do that and Maybe a few Others.

John

 

[Norvic]

Regards to the Deus remote, it can be left on shaft so as old fellas don`t lose it, this old fella misplaces the GPZs WM12 same diff. A small discomfort for the advantage of wireless. You can use the remote on shaft, for visual and wireless headphones for audio, at same time.Re battery charge of coil, Deus have available a accessory dry battery cell for coil. Adds a wee weight to coil. If you forget to charge each night, another method is a 1/2 hour charge on vehicle gets it up to speed(suits me, have a spell). Re- Reactivity leave the Deus on 0 in high trash areas and your waiting as with the CTX for machine to respond between signals, crank it up to 3 no more waiting, but you sacrifice some depth. Re. wireless coil response is much faster than wired coil, much less lag. Wireless is faster than copper wires, mobile phone internet shows that.

But all aside, if operators are of equal experience CTX and Deus stand together on coins with the Deus probably having the edge in high ferrous areas. Its biggest advantage is weight and versatility. Its gold mode putting it up there with the top 19Khz VLFs,(can`t compete with the say GB2 higher freq on sub grammers) its coin modes up there with the CTX. In that respect I would have to say it is the most versatile, with the Xterra 705 probably being its closest competitor in versatility, but the Deus leaves the 705 for dead on coins and its notch GB and GB display puts it ahead on gold. The Deus does all very well. At my current experience level I cannot say it kills the CTX on coins, but I believe that will change in time.

Perhaps the Deus`s biggest con is, seems there is problem in distribution in OZ, but it appears WA Prospectors Patch are changing that. Once there are more in OZ I believe the Deus will replace a lot of VLFs. The upcoming software update to version 4 (and continuing upgrades) and the rumoured new coil may show that the Deus concept is the way of the future, many current users who have benefited from the past free software updates are of that opinion already.

Minelab have had the technology breakthrough advantage for many years but not so now XP are becoming of age. That can only mean better detectors for the user.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Regards to the Deus remote, it can be left on shaft so as old fellas don`t lose it, this old fella misplaces the GPZs WM12 same diff. A small discomfort for the advantage of wireless. You can use the remote on shaft, for visual and wireless headphones for audio, at same time.Re battery charge of coil, Deus have available a accessory dry battery cell for coil. Adds a wee weight to coil. If you forget to charge each night, another method is a 1/2 hour charge on vehicle gets it up to speed(suits me, have a spell). Re- Reactivity leave the Deus on 0 in high trash areas and your waiting as with the CTX for machine to respond between signals, crank it up to 3 no more waiting, but you sacrifice some depth. Re. wireless coil response is much faster than wired coil, much less lag. Wireless is faster than copper wires, mobile phone internet shows that.

But all aside, if operators are of equal experience CTX and Deus stand together on coins with the Deus probably having the edge in high ferrous areas. Its biggest advantage is weight and versatility. Its gold mode putting it up there with the top 19Khz VLFs,(can`t compete with the say GB2 higher freq on sub grammers) its coin modes up there with the CTX. In that respect I would have to say it is the most versatile, with the Xterra 705 probably being its closest competitor in versatility, but the Deus leaves the 705 for dead on coins and its notch GB and GB display puts it ahead on gold. The Deus does all very well. At my current experience level I cannot say it kills the CTX on coins, but I believe that will change in time.

Perhaps the Deus`s biggest con is, seems there is problem in distribution in OZ, but it appears WA Prospectors Patch are changing that. Once there are more in OZ I believe the Deus will replace a lot of VLFs. The upcoming software update to version 4 (and continuing upgrades) and the rumoured new coil may show that the Deus concept is the way of the future, many current users who have benefited from the past free software updates are of that opinion already.

Minelab have had the technology breakthrough advantage for many years but not so now XP are becoming of age. That can only mean better detectors for the user.

We ALL Forget about wireless being faster didn't WE, I'm so Ashamed,lol

In the Right hand the Deus is good at prospecting Although its Ground Tracking can't match the GMT/MXT's or the Higher frequencies of the GMT or the GB II, But it can do it AND do it well, If A person was buying it As A Prospecting VLF the they would be paying for a lot of things that are not needed and might be better off with either the 705/MXT/Fors Core or Racer or the GMT/GB II and then you would save A few Quid, But if you want to use the machine for other use's then YES, You are not going to find anything as state of the Art as the Deus

How will it stand up out in the Bush with you Rough Buggers,,, You Know who you are, mmm Only time will Tell

Great Post Norvic,,

 

[Norvic]

My take on the GB in Gold Mode on the Deus ver 3.2. As good as or better than any other VLF I`ve used. Has auto tracking that`s fast, manual and pumping plus notch GB to take out the hot rocks, also gives a constant read out of actual GB ID and what it`s current GB ID is set at. Bought first VLF in 79, RR of the ones you list haven`t used a MXT. But having said that used PI`s since MLB SD2100 up to GPZ now for serious prospecting, no VLF I`ve used can come near these machines depth in any ground type. The GB2 in shallow sub grammers competes only just with the GPZ but only in shallow, not depth. Once a smaller coil is available for the GPZ, believe this will no longer be the case. Only use Deus for hunting in shallow trashy areas or going through alluvial oversize for specis.

First impression of shaft, was it was very flimsy(XP have got to be kidding!!!!!), after use no longer see a problem. Simply initial impression was based on status quo not reality(XP weren`t kidding). XP have a world leader in the Deus, would recommend to anyone looking for a coin machine and a bit of prospecting, who is prepared to learn how to use, easy or complex whatever suits the user. But as I`ve said this is my take.

 

[Ridge Runner]

My take on the GB in Gold Mode on the Deus ver 3.2. As good as or better than any other VLF I`ve used. Has auto tracking that`s fast, manual and pumping plus notch GB to take out the hot rocks, also gives a constant read out of actual GB ID and what it`s current GB ID is set at. Bought first VLF in 79, RR of the ones you list haven`t used a MXT. But having said that used PI`s since MLB SD2100 up to GPZ now for serious prospecting, no VLF I`ve used can come near these machines depth in any ground type. The GB2 in shallow sub grammers competes only just with the GPZ but only in shallow, not depth. Once a smaller coil is available for the GPZ, believe this will no longer be the case. Only use Deus for hunting in shallow trashy areas or going through alluvial oversize for specis.

First impression of shaft, was it was very flimsy(XP have got to be kidding!!!!!), after use no longer see a problem. Simply initial impression was based on status quo not reality(XP weren`t kidding). XP have a world leader in the Deus, would recommend to anyone looking for a coin machine and a bit of prospecting, who is prepared to learn how to use, easy or complex whatever suits the user. But as I`ve said this is my take.

Thanks Norvic,

Well as far as The Deus is concerned I have No Doubts that it is A Force to be Reckoned when comparing it to any other top of the line machines, As weird as it's appearance is compared to what we know how a Detector is supposed to look like, not only is it light but it REALLY does do what it says on the Tin, Compared to our Faithfull old Bulky designs we have since had a couple of other companies have reinvented compact designs Although not in VLF formats with the Recon and the F3 being modded to for civilian use, The XP is still the Only purpose Built Compact unit made for us and not Adapted for us,

It is a Shame the Soils are so Hot in OZ Because in Europe Like a Few other Machines The Deus is one of a few machines that can and DOES equal or beat PI machines when it comes to depth, Me like many folks were put off because when it is folded it looks like the Starship Enterprise which is why people never take it seriously and the fact the control box looks like and ipod, In OZ people are more set in their ways and because we make the best PI machines in the world Does not mean we make the Best VLF's,
The more people who embrace these machines the more their finds rate will go up.

With the GB on VLFs in OZ on the scale regarding my machines the Value is between 65 to 85, I have Ground Balanced reading reaching 96 and It balances them out In ONE pump of the coil, I can make Hot rock vanish by GB'ing them out, I have read many posts where people say they can not handle the Ground, But they Can and Do, NO VLF will match a PI in that Ground, Do they Work there YES but you are never going to dig targets 2 foot deep, Most small Gold is found on or near the surface so in that case A VLF will find it,
People forget at one time VLFs were all we had and they were the machines that got us all interested in Detecting, Suddenly they are Crap, To me that's like turning ya back on your best Mate,

To have an effective Ground Balance in ever changing Ground it has to be very Fast in order to keep up with your sweep speed and the fact that the ground can change many times during mid sweep, To check how fast your machine Adjusts it's GB use a fridge magnet or a hot rock and see how many pumps of the coil or Magnet it takes to make the machine go Quiet. and each time you do it turn the machine off and turn is back on To make sure it has NOT memorized the previous Ground balance setting,

Hope this helps,, john

 

[Ridge Runner]

This battle seems to be played out in many threads. Might be a good idea, to discuss, share our experiences, and opinions in the one place

My 2/example why the Deus is better:
Say, I have a mate wanting to upgrade from an atpro. He is swaying towards the ctx. I reckon he should go dues, his needs are turf, coin, relic, beach, but not wading in surf. Its not uncommon for him to detect for 6hrs plus in a session. He also wants to travel to europe. I reckon the deus will do the job best, it weighs very little, performs just as well, or better, much faster recovery speed (he likes to swing fast), costs less, and will foldup really compact for traveling. Might add, that the deus isnt hard to make work in water. I added whites, because some people say they offer a detector on par.

Lets discuss it all here

Rocket,,I just wanna say well done for starting this thread coz there is a lot of good info in here.

John

 

[Guest]

This battle seems to be played out in many threads. Might be a good idea, to discuss, share our experiences, and opinions in the one place

My 2/example why the Deus is better:
Say, I have a mate wanting to upgrade from an atpro. He is swaying towards the ctx. I reckon he should go dues, his needs are turf, coin, relic, beach, but not wading in surf. Its not uncommon for him to detect for 6hrs plus in a session. He also wants to travel to europe. I reckon the deus will do the job best, it weighs very little, performs just as well, or better, much faster recovery speed (he likes to swing fast), costs less, and will foldup really compact for traveling. Might add, that the deus isnt hard to make work in water. I added whites, because some people say they offer a detector on par.

Lets discuss it all here

Rocket,,I just wanna say well done for starting this thread coz there is a lot of good info in here.

John

Totally agree but what some people might not realise is the Deus platform was released for sale in late 2009
and Norfolk Wolf visited the Factory in France and had a look at the prototype back in 2008.

Going by the document below the actaul design concept of this detector started in 2004.

http://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/docs/Deus_Field_Test_pt.1.pdf

Its a platform that has evolved and will continue to evolve with future software updates.

 

[Ridge Runner]

This battle seems to be played out in many threads. Might be a good idea, to discuss, share our experiences, and opinions in the one place

My 2/example why the Deus is better:
Say, I have a mate wanting to upgrade from an atpro. He is swaying towards the ctx. I reckon he should go dues, his needs are turf, coin, relic, beach, but not wading in surf. Its not uncommon for him to detect for 6hrs plus in a session. He also wants to travel to europe. I reckon the deus will do the job best, it weighs very little, performs just as well, or better, much faster recovery speed (he likes to swing fast), costs less, and will foldup really compact for traveling. Might add, that the deus isnt hard to make work in water. I added whites, because some people say they offer a detector on par.

Lets discuss it all here

Rocket,,I just wanna say well done for starting this thread coz there is a lot of good info in here.

John

Totally agree but what some people might not realise is the Deus platform was released for sale in late 2009
and Norfolk Wolf visited the Factory in France and had a look at the prototype back in 2008.

Going by the document below the actaul design concept of this detector started in 2004.

http://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/docs/Deus_Field_Test_pt.1.pdf

Its a platform that has evolved and will continue to evolve with future software updates.

Going back through the posts here, I just realised that if XP wanted to, Because the Deus is a Software based Detector In Theory they could Change the Coil and the software and make it in to A PI machine, Because the Detector is Actually built into the Coil, Wouldn't that shake the Detecting world with One Machine that could do it all.

That's Scary,, John

 

[Narrawa]

We ALL Forget about wireless being faster didn't WE, I'm so Ashamed,lol

Gota admit..im also in the same boat as i had Bluetooth on my mind. Yet as can be seen from the many posts world wide and to a degree some vids...give the machines a little bit of processing to do and things slow down a tad...evident by all the high end detectors available. And this is where the lag becomes more visible and swing speed more critical.

As for the Dues in our soils....i got talking to a gent in WA using one for the same reason i was using VLFs there...working the trash areas and his words were...wrong choice in VLF. As i found...persistence will pay off in the end no matter what make/model your using. I found gold with all those i carried with me. At the end of the day, you learn the simplest one to operate is normally the better choice. Bells and whistles are simply bells and whistles which are not necessary for prospecting.

Be interesting to see a vid of the Dues using the "secret" screen in some mineralized goldfields as shown in the vid. However im pretty sure i know how it would react....much the same as that on the V3I....pert near useless information. :lol:

Like the V3i....all the fancy screens work well till you place them on the ground with lots of iron....air tests look fantastic when no other influences are present.

 

[Ridge Runner]

We ALL Forget about wireless being faster didn't WE, I'm so Ashamed,lol

Gota admit..im also in the same boat as i had Bluetooth on my mind. Yet as can be seen from the many posts world wide and to a degree some vids...give the machines a little bit of processing to do and things slow down a tad...evident by all the high end detectors available. And this is where the lag becomes more visible and swing speed more critical.

As for the Dues in our soils....i got talking to a gent in WA using one for the same reason i was using VLFs there...working the trash areas and his words were...wrong choice in VLF. As i found...persistence will pay off in the end no matter what make/model your using. I found gold with all those i carried with me. At the end of the day, you learn the simplest one to operate is normally the better choice. Bells and whistles are simply bells and whistles which are not necessary for prospecting.

Be interesting to see a vid of the Dues using the "secret" screen in some mineralized goldfields as shown in the vid. However im pretty sure i know how it would react....much the same as that on the V3I....pert near useless information. :lol:

Like the V3i....all the fancy screens work well till you place them on the ground with lots of iron....air tests look fantastic when no other influences are present.

The Plot Thickens, hmm, I wonder if that is why they never put a screen on PI machines (apart from the menu screen), Because seeing as OZ Dirt is so Hot even the same targets at A Different location would paint a different picture on the screen, So you would never really be sure what you are looking at.

Good Point Mate, Well done.

 

[SteelPat]

The reason PI machines dont have a screen is they dont have the ability to discriminate like a VLF / BFO machine so its a bit pointless. Before I bought my Zed, I was working on an experimental PI detector that used a Cortex M4 processor and a 12bit ADC to look at the rate of decay of the target and compare that to known decay rates. Maybe once the novelty of the Zed wears off I may go back to it.

 

[Ridge Runner]

The reason PI machines dont have a screen is they dont have the ability to discriminate like a VLF / BFO machine so its a bit pointless. Before I bought my Zed, I was working on an experimental PI detector that used a Cortex M4 processor and a 12bit ADC to look at the rate of decay of the target and compare that to known decay rates. Maybe once the novelty of the Zed wears off I may go back to it.

Yes, Although they can not discriminate I would of thought they could show you the signal response and how it vari's, A bit like how a Scope does with wave forms.

 

[SteelPat]

The reason PI machines dont have a screen is they dont have the ability to discriminate like a VLF / BFO machine so its a bit pointless. Before I bought my Zed, I was working on an experimental PI detector that used a Cortex M4 processor and a 12bit ADC to look at the rate of decay of the target and compare that to known decay rates. Maybe once the novelty of the Zed wears off I may go back to it.

Yes, Although they can not discriminate I would of thought they could show you the signal response and how it vari's, A bit like how a Scope does with wave forms.

They could show that but overall it would be useless information. With a PI, even different shapes of the same material can cause different responses.

 

[blakegarv]

My take on the GB in Gold Mode on the Deus ver 3.2. As good as or better than any other VLF I`ve used. Has auto tracking that`s fast, manual and pumping plus notch GB to take out the hot rocks, also gives a constant read out of actual GB ID and what it`s current GB ID is set at. Bought first VLF in 79, RR of the ones you list haven`t used a MXT. But having said that used PI`s since MLB SD2100 up to GPZ now for serious prospecting, no VLF I`ve used can come near these machines depth in any ground type. The GB2 in shallow sub grammers competes only just with the GPZ but only in shallow, not depth. Once a smaller coil is available for the GPZ, believe this will no longer be the case. Only use Deus for hunting in shallow trashy areas or going through alluvial oversize for specis.

First impression of shaft, was it was very flimsy(XP have got to be kidding!!!!!), after use no longer see a problem. Simply initial impression was based on status quo not reality(XP weren`t kidding). XP have a world leader in the Deus, would recommend to anyone looking for a coin machine and a bit of prospecting, who is prepared to learn how to use, easy or complex whatever suits the user. But as I`ve said this is my take.

i agree with everything you said norvic even tho the deus hasnt had the best distribution in australia xp told me that they are going to improve that very soon and i feel as is even with not so much distribution once people get thier hands on the deus the ctx and everything else is history .the deus is just that good and not only good in performance but being able to customize everything so easily without having to be a rocket scientist is what makes the deus so much fun to use .

 

[blakegarv]

We ALL Forget about wireless being faster didn't WE, I'm so Ashamed,lol

Gota admit..im also in the same boat as i had Bluetooth on my mind. Yet as can be seen from the many posts world wide and to a degree some vids...give the machines a little bit of processing to do and things slow down a tad...evident by all the high end detectors available. And this is where the lag becomes more visible and swing speed more critical.

As for the Dues in our soils....i got talking to a gent in WA using one for the same reason i was using VLFs there...working the trash areas and his words were...wrong choice in VLF. As i found...persistence will pay off in the end no matter what make/model your using. I found gold with all those i carried with me. At the end of the day, you learn the simplest one to operate is normally the better choice. Bells and whistles are simply bells and whistles which are not necessary for prospecting.

Be interesting to see a vid of the Dues using the "secret" screen in some mineralized goldfields as shown in the vid. However im pretty sure i know how it would react....much the same as that on the V3I....pert near useless information. :lol:

Like the V3i....all the fancy screens work well till you place them on the ground with lots of iron....air tests look fantastic when no other influences are present.

the deus is incredible in australian soils ive been using it for 6 months and some holes i dig are 12 inches deep .the deus definatly has no problems in australian soils or xp would of released a update to fix it .its great .

 

[SteelPat]

Are you using the Deus in the Goldfields? Only reason I ask is that the mineralised soil around the golden triangle is vastly different to the soil I have near where I live a couple of hrs away. I can use my VLF machine all over the parks and beach near home but it struggles for depth on the goldfields due to the high magnetite and ironstone content.
That being said I have seen the specs for the Deus and it looks like a great all round machine.

 

[blakegarv]

Are you using the Deus in the Goldfields? Only reason I ask is that the mineralised soil around the golden triangle is vastly different to the soil I have near where I live a couple of hrs away. I can use my VLF machine all over the parks and beach near home but it struggles for depth on the goldfields due to the high magnetite and ironstone content.
That being said I have seen the specs for the Deus and it looks like a great all round machine.

ive seen a few videos of the deus finding gold in the gold fields but what people have to remember is fbs/vlf isnt designed for hot rocks and goldfield the only machines that are designed for gold fields are gold specific machines PI and most the time you end up paying $5000 for a gold machine and never make your money back anyway because you have all the costs of getting up to the gold fields then there is alot of guys with contracts who own alot of the area and if you find gold most the time you have to claim it and make sure it wasnt found on someones property i dont know why people are so infactuated with the gold fields its not what it used to be and most the time your out of pocket rather than profiting not to mention most the big contractors own most the good areas out there anyway .in my eyes the gold fields isnt worth the trouble .but thats just my 2 cents .

 

[blakegarv]

im looking at another metal detector just to add to my collection and im wondering how good is the whites v3i vs the mxt pro cause i kinda like the look at the mxt pro but heard it dosnt have a volume knob which would annoy the hell out of me .

 

[SteelPat]

Are you using the Deus in the Goldfields? Only reason I ask is that the mineralised soil around the golden triangle is vastly different to the soil I have near where I live a couple of hrs away. I can use my VLF machine all over the parks and beach near home but it struggles for depth on the goldfields due to the high magnetite and ironstone content.
That being said I have seen the specs for the Deus and it looks like a great all round machine.

ive seen a few videos of the deus finding gold in the gold fields but what people have to remember is fbs/vlf isnt designed for hot rocks and goldfield the only machines that are designed for gold fields are gold specific machines PI and most the time you end up paying $5000 for a gold machine and never make your money back anyway because you have all the costs of getting up to the gold fields then there is alot of guys with contracts who own alot of the area and if you find gold most the time you have to claim it and make sure it wasnt found on someones property i dont know why people are so infactuated with the gold fields its not what it used to be and most the time your out of pocket rather than profiting not to mention most the big contractors own most the good areas out there anyway .in my eyes the gold fields isnt worth the trouble .but thats just my 2 cents .

See I don't go detecting because I want to make my money back or make a profit. I detect because I like getting out in the bush. I like the challenge. I like to imagine what it would have been like back in the gold rush days.
I only commented about the gold fields because you said your Deus had no problems with Australian soils. I was just curious to see how it went in highly mineralized soils. I am a tech head through and through so when a detector performs well I like to know how and why. I certainly am not knocking the Deus as I haven't read too many negative things about it.

 

[Ridge Runner]

im looking at another metal detector just to add to my collection and im wondering how good is the whites v3i vs the mxt pro cause i kinda like the look at the mxt pro but heard it dosnt have a volume knob which would annoy the hell out of me .

The MXT is Better for Prospecting because it shares the same Ground Tracking System as the GMT, Depth wise the are about the same and in hotter ground The MXT has the Edge because it has a higher sensitivity and A Better Tracking System.
with Whites on the MXT what they have Label As the Gain Control should really be called a Volume Control Because it multiplies the Loudness of the Return Signal, As for the Depth of the MXT In Normal ish type ground fitted with the 12/300 coils it can Match the TDI for depth and they have been known to find 1 ozt Nuggets at 18" or 460mm and no doubt it will find them deeper, I personally have seen the MXT with the 12"/300 coil find A English Half Penny at a depth of 13 and a half inches with the gain set at 6.5 to 7 which is the half way Point on the Dial And the Battery Life is Over 60 Hours.

The V3i is the Rolls Royce of detectors because you can adjust everything, You can Block edit items out where as the MXT you have a Rotary Control which is the Norm, The V3i has a Bit of A Learning Curve But it is One Heck of A Machine, It shares the same coils as the MXT and only one coil isn't suited for the V3i, In total there are over 25 coils made for them, The V3i has so much to offer if you need it and for Relics and Coins & Jewellery. And it has a prospecting mode, If you use the Boost setting on the V3i It will chew the Batteries But with normal use they last for about 10 or 12 Hours which is more than enough if you detect for 8 or 9 hours a day you can top them up when you get back to camp.

As for machines and Volume knobs I use either Grey Ghosts UDT which have the Noise Limiter in them to stop you getting your Ears Blown off or The Nugget Buster UDTs which don't have the Noise Limiter, Both models have DUEL Volume Knobs so no problems there and I also use Whites Prostars which are the same but In BLACK and have a Fixed Lead All Three have A Life Time Warranty So failures are Not A Problem , the Grey Ghosts and the Nuggets Busters Both come with Quick Change Leads,

Hope this helps, , John