The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread

[Guest]

Come to think of it the V3i and the CTX are upgradeable because they have already done upgrades for the V3 to the V3i and the CTX can Talk to A Computer as does the Zed, I wonder how the Deus Connects to do the software updates,

The XP Deus is software upgradeable.

This means plug into the usb cable and via the internet you upgrade to the next
Software version and the whole machine
Changes via the update to the new software version. So if the software engineers improve the platform you
Get the latests changes.

No need to send a machine for upgrades
And so on.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Id like to see a video of a Deus with the following criteria met.

Items needed.
1. A 3-4" long rusty nail found in the ozy gold fields.
2. 1 copper coin, (half penny in size)
3. A silver coin, ( 10c in size )

Air test.
Now, turn detector an and factory preset it, select one of its coin programs.
Place either coin (one at a time) under the nail 1" below in any combination you can..(this will require using two hands)vertical, horizontal, and any and everywhere in between keeping the coin aprox 1" under the nail or just to the side at all times, but below the nail while passing it under the coil.
You may change the orientation of the nail to the coil while passing it and the coin under the coil with the coin at the required distance from the nail only.

You are required to not cut the footage, this will take two people to complete. That is...one shoot showing the requirements above.

For those of you who have one of these detectors, you may answer the question prematurely...

Q. will the nail, mask the coin.?

Do you have a video of a detector performing the above with what
You are asking?

[video=480,360]http://youtu.be/gGwqHyUSUI8[/video]

That a good test, Wolfy.

Putting the coin directly under the Nail is a good one and sweep it with the direction of the nail and also 90 degrees to the nail,

And there is one test that really sorts the men from the boys and there are very few Detectors that can do it,

 

[Ridge Runner]

Come to think of it the V3i and the CTX are upgradeable because they have already done upgrades for the V3 to the V3i and the CTX can Talk to A Computer as does the Zed, I wonder how the Deus Connects to do the software updates,

The XP Deus is software upgradeable.

This means plug into the usb cable and via the internet you upgrade to the next
Software version and the whole machine
Changes via the update to the new software version. So if the software engineers improve the platform you
Get the latests changes.

No need to send a machine for upgrades
And so on.

Sweet, and of coarse the best bit is ZERO down time and no having to send it off and postage and the likes.

 

[Guest]

Forgot to add. The Deus has a secret
Screen which is similiar to one used
on the V3i.

This is the xy screen and was my
Favorite on the v3i and made my
Purchase easier.

I think this feature was added on the
V3.1 software update.

For more info see the video below.

[video=480,360]http://youtu.be/izfzu1egbT4[/video]

 

[Narrawa]

Do you have a video of a detector performing the above with what
You are asking?

No as a matter of fact i dont, but im not here to see if the RACER can pass this test, or any other make/model due to the fact i conduct this test about ten times a day when demoing the units i sell. The customer is then left to make up their own mind...or take the items from my hand and conduct the test themselves if trickery is a concern.

Im here to see if someone is willing to do this test and report back their findings...a video is not really necessary, im happy to believe in the folks that goto the trouble to post their findings. Now, can you tell me if the Dues will pass the test i posted...or do you think this video of it almost 4" from the nail will wash.?

PS, if the RACER didnt pass this test...the point of putting the test up would be.???

 

[Ridge Runner]

Forgot to add. The Deus has a secret
Screen which is similiar to one used
on the V3i.

This is the xy screen and was my
Favorite on the v3i and made my
Purchase easier.

I think this feature was added on the
V3.1 software update.

For more info see the video below.

[video=480,360]http://youtu.be/izfzu1egbT4[/video]

Cool, Wolfy is that like the V3i's Analyse screen, it seems pretty accurate and although there is no numbers on the screen you can tell what the item Type is,

 

[Guest]

Do you have a video of a detector performing the above with what
You are asking?

No as a matter of fact i dont, but im not here to see if the RACER can pass this test, or any other make/model due to the fact i conduct this test about ten times a day when demoing the units i sell. The customer is then left to make up their own mind...or take the items from my hand and conduct the test themselves if trickery is a concern.

Im here to see if someone is willing to do this test and report back their findings...a video is not really necessary, im happy to believe in the folks that goto the trouble to post their findings. Now, can you tell me if the Dues will pass the test i posted...or do you think this video of it almost 4" from the nail will wash.?

PS, if the RACER didnt pass this test...the point of putting the test up would be.???

I never mentioned the Racer. I simply asked if you had a video with a detector doing the tasks you mentioned. No point challenging a detector if you don't have a video of one doing just that as no machine is perfect.

 

[Goldpick]

What dealer/s would we recommend for a xp deus purchase?

Crampo's Prospecting & Detecting Supplies would be your closest dealer, though keep in mind that it may have to be ordered in from abroad.

 

[Guest]

Ramjet, I have been using Minelab detectors for quiet a while and I am a little biased but the CTX has a couple of very distintive advantages.

1: Big colour screen that is easy to read from any angle and if you are like me and watch the screen nearly always, this has no equal.

2: Target Trace is something that, once mastered is more usefull then tones in some situations.

3: The CTX gives a very clear double tone on surface coins and Jewellery which is more usefull than you think.

4: The CTX has wireless audio and headphones at same time with the screen still in front of you. To use Deus headphones you loose the information from the remote, and plug headphones into remote and you are attached by wire, put remote in pocket to have wireless headphone and you can no longer see screen.

5: The CTX does not dismantle when shortend for storage, I watched my old boy look for his remote quite a few times when moving from site to site and imagine losing it would not be that hard.

6: The CTX shaft is rigid and strong, the Deus shaft flexed around quite a bit when moving coil from side to side.

7: There are Minelab dealers all around Australia, I looked into buying a Deus and found it quite hard to even purchase one and my old boy had the same dramas. I rang George at NQ Miners Den and had my CTX on my door step the next day.

These are my main reasons for loving the CTX and none of these are really related to performance.

Just to address a few things.

My deus cost me $1500 a year or so ago and weighs just under 950 grams. I don't have
shaft issues on my Deus and the Deus has an xy screen which is awesome.

You can use wireless headphones on the Deus and use the remote without losing
The remote data info.

The Deus is made in France with just
About everything made inhouse inc
Components, boards and so on. I don't
Expect to have a problem with it and
If I did it would not take much to get
It sorted.

 

[Guest]

Cool, Wolfy is that like the V3i's Analyse screen, it seems pretty accurate and although there is no numbers on the screen you can tell what the item Type is,

No its similiar to the polar plot screen.

 

[Guest]

What dealer/s would we recommend for a xp deus purchase?

Contact Jamie from the Prospectors
patch in WA. They might have a fathers day Special coming up if your not in a hurry.

 

[Ridge Runner]

My machine Kills that test, and I must Admit that is One of the most fun Tests I have done, and I have just tried many other versions of that Test just now, I think a lot of it is in the Coils and of coarse the Speed of the machine.

I could either Blank the Nail or have it ring out, another good one it to put 5 objects about an inch or less a part,

I just put a Nail and a screw either side of a 1696 William III silver shilling and it ignored the rusty items and the shilling rang like a Bell, the shilling is about the size of a 10c.

To show how good (FAST) the Recovery is place 5 coins about 3 inches apart and see if your machine can pick up every one of them up and gives a separate signal for each coin and slowly close the Gaps equally on all coins until they start to sound like One signal, then put them back 3 inches apart and replace Number 2 and number 4 with a 2 or 3 inch Rusty Nail and see how fast your machine ID's each target and if it Recovers to ID the first coin as it Passes over the Nail, close the Gaps until the machine starts to see all Items as One Again, That is the only way to Test a machines recovery to see how it will respond out in the field.

John

 

[blakegarv]

before you listen to anyone grab a deus and try it out once you try it there will be no turning back because there is no other machine on the market that you can swing like the flash and still pick up every target .when i swing i swing 1 second left 1 second right like really fast and i never miss a target .thats the one thing i love about the deus its not like normal metal detecting where you have to take your time and it takes you all day the deus is so lightening fast you can cover a tremendous amount of ground in little to no time .

Actually there is....but this thread does not include the RACER, so i'll not harp on about its blended audio here and less amount of processing time needed in order to report. However im certainly up for anyone who wants to prove this to me out in the field with a Dues.??....and i get to pick the field....lol

Like it or not, the Dues is wireless..due to the laws of physics, there is lag...it maybe only small but there is lag. Lag is also present in the other above mentioned models due to slow and/or poor processing power combined with settings requiring a slower swing speed....and the v3i is testament to that. However i dont believe Lag is a major concern if your able to work the detector to it fullest.
No matter the brand, its you who leaves targets in the ground because of the amount of variables....the make/model you swing may well be the best there is....but you/me are mere mortal...and thats why there is always targets left behind.

If it was not for the battery issue that others have mentioned, id probably be all over the Dues due to wanting a new toy. Im not talking about the std by times, im talking going flat out in the field where swapping it out for a fresh set is not possible.

Q....Does the Dues have a built in speaker on the back of the c/box module.??

dude i can assure you i have had the deus for a yr now and never had any battery issues i left my dues for 3 months without a single charge fired it up again and it still had 90% of its battery .i cant remember what batterys that it uses but alain from xp stated that the battery is a very slow draining type because i was concerned before i got a deus so i msged xp directly .there is no issues with the battery and xp have now extended thier warrenty to 5 yrs and apparently that includes the battery .

 

[blakegarv]

before you listen to anyone grab a deus and try it out once you try it there will be no turning back because there is no other machine on the market that you can swing like the flash and still pick up every target .when i swing i swing 1 second left 1 second right like really fast and i never miss a target .thats the one thing i love about the deus its not like normal metal detecting where you have to take your time and it takes you all day the deus is so lightening fast you can cover a tremendous amount of ground in little to no time .

Actually there is....but this thread does not include the RACER, so i'll not harp on about its blended audio here and less amount of processing time needed in order to report. However im certainly up for anyone who wants to prove this to me out in the field with a Dues.??....and i get to pick the field....lol

Like it or not, the Dues is wireless..due to the laws of physics, there is lag...it maybe only small but there is lag. Lag is also present in the other above mentioned models due to slow and/or poor processing power combined with settings requiring a slower swing speed....and the v3i is testament to that. However i dont believe Lag is a major concern if your able to work the detector to it fullest.
No matter the brand, its you who leaves targets in the ground because of the amount of variables....the make/model you swing may well be the best there is....but you/me are mere mortal...and thats why there is always targets left behind.

If it was not for the battery issue that others have mentioned, id probably be all over the Dues due to wanting a new toy. Im not talking about the std by times, im talking going flat out in the field where swapping it out for a fresh set is not possible.

Q....Does the Dues have a built in speaker on the back of the c/box module.??

there is absolutly no lag with the deus whatsoever and if there is i cant see it .the deus is faster than any machine on the market .if you use your racer my deus with ractivity of 3 is still faster and the deus has 5 reactivity settings not to argue with you but the deus is a whole differant beast its unbeatable in recovery speed .

 

[Goldpick]

What dealer/s would we recommend for a xp deus purchase?

Contact Jamie from the Prospectors
patch in WA. They might have a fathers day Special coming up if your not in a hurry.

I think a few of the dealers might be doing the rounds on specials at the moment, my particular deal was around the same price as Wolf's purchase, though it was an advertised special on another detecting forum. Just a matter of ringing around for the best deal on the options you are after ie: coil choice, WS4 backphones with removeable remote or WS5 full cup headphones.

Anyway, I'm off for a play with the Etrac now the rain has cleared.

 

[blakegarv]

Ramjet, I have been using Minelab detectors for quiet a while and I am a little biased but the CTX has a couple of very distintive advantages.

1: Big colour screen that is easy to read from any angle and if you are like me and watch the screen nearly always, this has no equal.

2: Target Trace is something that, once mastered is more usefull then tones in some situations.

3: The CTX gives a very clear double tone on surface coins and Jewellery which is more usefull than you think.

4: The CTX has wireless audio and headphones at same time with the screen still in front of you. To use Deus headphones you loose the information from the remote, and plug headphones into remote and you are attached by wire, put remote in pocket to have wireless headphone and you can no longer see screen.

5: The CTX does not dismantle when shortend for storage, I watched my old boy look for his remote quite a few times when moving from site to site and imagine losing it would not be that hard.

6: The CTX shaft is rigid and strong, the Deus shaft flexed around quite a bit when moving coil from side to side.

7: There are Minelab dealers all around Australia, I looked into buying a Deus and found it quite hard to even purchase one and my old boy had the same dramas. I rang George at NQ Miners Den and had my CTX on my door step the next day.

These are my main reasons for loving the CTX and none of these are really related to performance.

whats the point of having ids when the detector nulls amoungst iron .

target trace is a gimick it hardly helps you find the coin all it does is show a red dot and that red dot could be a tin can ,a coin,a bottle cap or anything lol .

when you become good at metal detecting you dont want to rely on numbers anyway because numbers arent always right a good detectorist uses his ears well thats what i was told by some of the old boys on here .

the deus shaft is fine never wiggled around for me .

prospectors patch sell them and are very good service .

the deus gives a double ring tone for coins up to 4 inches deep egzactly the same as the ctx .

 

[blakegarv]

Id like to see a video of a Deus with the following criteria met.

Items needed.
1. A 3-4" long rusty nail found in the ozy gold fields.
2. 1 copper coin, (half penny in size)
3. A silver coin, ( 10c in size )

Air test.
Now, turn detector an and factory preset it, select one of its coin programs.
Place either coin (one at a time) under the nail 1" below in any combination you can..(this will require using two hands)vertical, horizontal, and any and everywhere in between keeping the coin aprox 1" under the nail or just to the side at all times, but below the nail while passing it under the coil.
You may change the orientation of the nail to the coil while passing it and the coin under the coil with the coin at the required distance from the nail only.

You are required to not cut the footage, this will take two people to complete. That is...one shoot showing the requirements above.

For those of you who have one of these detectors, you may answer the question prematurely...

Q. will the nail, mask the coin.?

Do you have a video of a detector performing the above with what

You are asking?

[video=480,360]http://youtu.be/gGwqHyUSUI8[/video]

this is egzactly the reason i sold my ctx i hadnt seen this video before but i did tests and realised i was missing heaps of coins in iron and when i got the deus i pulled out a good $700 from the ground at many parks that i had hunted over and over with the ctx .

 

[blakegarv]

Do you have a video of a detector performing the above with what
You are asking?

No as a matter of fact i dont, but im not here to see if the RACER can pass this test, or any other make/model due to the fact i conduct this test about ten times a day when demoing the units i sell. The customer is then left to make up their own mind...or take the items from my hand and conduct the test themselves if trickery is a concern.

Im here to see if someone is willing to do this test and report back their findings...a video is not really necessary, im happy to believe in the folks that goto the trouble to post their findings. Now, can you tell me if the Dues will pass the test i posted...or do you think this video of it almost 4" from the nail will wash.?

PS, if the RACER didnt pass this test...the point of putting the test up would be.???

the racer is a good machine i admit that it does have good recovery but not the recovery speed of the deus .i actually think for the money the racer is a top notch machine .

 

[blakegarv]

My machine Kills that test, and I must Admit that is One of the most fun Tests I have done, and I have just tried many other versions of that Test just now, I think a lot of it is in the Coils and of coarse the Speed of the machine.

I could either Blank the Nail or have it ring out, another good one it to put 5 objects about an inch or less a part,

I just put a Nail and a screw either side of a 1696 William III silver shilling and it ignored the rusty items and the shilling rang like a Bell, the shilling is about the size of a 10c.

To show how good (FAST) the Recovery is place 5 coins about 3 inches apart and see if your machine can pick up every one of them up and gives a separate signal for each coin and slowly close the Gaps equally on all coins until they start to sound like One signal, then put them back 3 inches apart and replace Number 2 and number 4 with a 2 or 3 inch Rusty Nail and see how fast your machine ID's each target and if it Recovers to ID the first coin as it Passes over the Nail, close the Gaps until the machine starts to see all Items as One Again, That is the only way to Test a machines recovery to see how it will respond out in the field.

John

yep ive had 5 coins between nails the ctx was so slow it was useless used the deus pinged them all out loud and clear and you can swing extremely fast like lightening fast its amazing .

 

[blakegarv]

the funny thing about metal detecting is i have most likely the best metal detector for treasure hunting on the market but im already thinking about buying a AT PRO just to use it and play around with it heard that its a main staple for alot of the american guys and there is just something so fun about collecting metal detectors and having all differant machines you can play around with .

i was always intrigued by metal detectors ever since i was young having the ability to be able to find things in the ground and make a small profit really gets me excited.

im a pretty fit guy and sporty to and sometimes ill be out on the field for a few hrs and wonder (why do i do this ) and the funny thing is i wake up the next dam morning anxious to get out there again and see what i can find .its like getting a new girlfriend you meet her once then all you can do is think about when your gonna see her again .metal detecting is the same accept metal detecting you dont get bored off hahaa .