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Narrawa said:
You wish lol
The CTX vs Deus vs Whites thread
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Narrawa said:
When you run the screen wide open That is the FBS's Version of All Metal because that is how it lets through the most Targets whether they are ferrous or Non Ferrous,
The Moment you set it up to DISC Items from Nails downwards it is then the Masking starts to Take Effect,
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Narrawa said:
Yes, because you have it set for Zero Discrimination, but you will dig some serious Junk and it will give you a better workout than A Jane Fonda Video, lol
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Wolfau said:
Absolutely,, we ALL have a lot more things in Common than we care to admit,, Like Detecting, Detectors and the Bush, The Brand thing is So unimportant, Its the Fun That Matters and the Tips we can give each other, The brand thing should be judge by what machine suits the way you Hunt and if others Like the Slower Pace of FBS that's Cool and if a person Likes the Higher speed of the other VLFs well that's Good Too, Me I got a Need for Speed,
Ridge Runner said:The thing with using the DISC on any Detector Depending on they Brand and settings SOME will make the Target Vanish altogether with SOME it will Make a Low Tone etc, SOME do Both,
With FBS systems you get Multi Tones And Variable Tones, If you switch to 2 Tones that's a better place to start, The Most confusing part about these machines is when they give you multiple Target ID Numbers So far my Record stands at Around 8 or 9 Pairs of ID's of the One Target, I asked the Dealers about this and they said ignore the screen, well that's A whole new Subject
Where it is Claimed by many that FBS systems have a first Rate ID, I just don't know how anyone can make such A Claim when you Get 8 sets of ID's for ONE Item, As beautiful as these Machines Are, I find the Recovery and the ID system The Most Annoying,
I would go as far to say it is One of the Greatest Looking Machines ever Made, But it is just those 2 silly things that stopped my from buying One Last Month, and that's a shame because I really Like It,
john
agreed on the fbs machines like the ctx its almost impossible to read the ids because they jump around so much and there is 2 sets of numbers instead of 1 .highly annoying and when you are digging deep targets its impossible to read .
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Well I did try to Log some numbers of common Coins and Items in a book, but even in the air I got lots of different numbers for the same item, so I gave that Idea up, And I pegged out an Area and went over it with the Etrac and it found 3 coins so then I took Old faithful out of the bag and That was a bit of a shock, and I was using it with the 12" concentric in a junk filled site so really old faithful should not have worked very well at All.
Thing is now I can go to any site and not fear unknown areas or worry if it is junk filled site or not, I Just go there and Have fun, That's what it's all about Right
john
Thing is now I can go to any site and not fear unknown areas or worry if it is junk filled site or not, I Just go there and Have fun, That's what it's all about Right
john
Ridge Runner said:Well I did try to Log some numbers of common Coins and Items in a book, but even in the air I got lots of different numbers for the same item, so I gave that Idea up, And I pegged out an Area and went over it with the Etrac and it found 3 coins so then I took Old faithful out of the bag and That was a bit of a shock, and I was using it with the 12" concentric in a junk filled site so really old faithful should not have worked very well at All.
Thing is now I can go to any site and not fear unknown areas or worry if it is junk filled site or not, I Just go there and Have fun, That's what it's all about Right
john
after using the deus i just dont trust fbs technology because i missed so many coins with the fbs detectors i had so ye but again thats just me .
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I think it more about finding the best environment to use One,
With Machines like the Deus, the signal is BANG dig YES or NO, But with FBS you have to coax the signal and then decide whether to dig or not, Some folks Hunting habits are just not suited to the machine, To me they Are Slow and undecided, because I just want to find things and no matter what to me the Etrac signals on a lot of things but where one set of numbers say its a good target, 10 feet away with the same numbers and I am digging junk and the Iron mask has just hidden a target that I would of missed if I had not had a faster machine with me to recheck the ground,
I want to just get on with detecting not spend 10 minutes deciding whether a target it good or not and then dig it, I want the machine to say Dig and then move on to the next target, That's the whole Idea of Discrimination, It is to save you having to mess around like that.
With Machines like the Deus, the signal is BANG dig YES or NO, But with FBS you have to coax the signal and then decide whether to dig or not, Some folks Hunting habits are just not suited to the machine, To me they Are Slow and undecided, because I just want to find things and no matter what to me the Etrac signals on a lot of things but where one set of numbers say its a good target, 10 feet away with the same numbers and I am digging junk and the Iron mask has just hidden a target that I would of missed if I had not had a faster machine with me to recheck the ground,
I want to just get on with detecting not spend 10 minutes deciding whether a target it good or not and then dig it, I want the machine to say Dig and then move on to the next target, That's the whole Idea of Discrimination, It is to save you having to mess around like that.
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Personally I prefer using a single frequency VLF in the more troublesome areas like old house sites with abundant rusted iron disseminated throughout the soil, with FBS based detectors more suited to finding deep high conductors in relatively clean ground. Different stokes for different folks really, for every you tube clip showing the shortcomings of these detectors, there are plenty around showing owners having a great deal of success. FBS will not suit everyone, and there are some who prefer to own both a CTX/Etrac and a Deus for the areas that suit their strengths (Deus being more suited to searching for small/thin low conductors amongst iron).
Also there has been very little talk on coil usage to suit certain sites. To me it is a no brainer to utilise the services of a smaller coil to improve target separation and the response of the detector in junky areas. Less targets under the coil at any one time results in less target information the detector has to process, hence should speed things up to a degree. For this reason I always carry a smaller coil should circumstances dictate the need for one.
If a good deal of beach detecting was a part of my detecting activities, I would definitely choose an FBS or BBS based detector over a VLF any day. No need to ground balance constantly, or set up the detector with a multitude of settings to have it running with any sort of stability. You can go from dry to wet or wet to dry, or even straight into the water with little or no effect to the stability.
Whilst you can get a VLF to work to a degree in such situations, ultimately it will result in compromised performance on order to get it running satisfactorily. There is a good reason why most seasoned beach/water hunters prefer FBS in such scenarios, have a look over various forums and that will soon be apparent.
Ultimately both have their limitations and advantages under certain scenarios, there is no escaping that. You just have to weigh up where a majority of your detecting will occur, what features you are looking for, and what suits your budget. There's no denying that both detectors have produced a hefty amount of finds over the years to prove their worth, so I don't believe in canning either for their shortcomings - operator experience certainly plays a huge part in how successful one is.
Either way, I'd be happy with one or the other, or both in my inventory - as they say, variety is the spice of life.
Also there has been very little talk on coil usage to suit certain sites. To me it is a no brainer to utilise the services of a smaller coil to improve target separation and the response of the detector in junky areas. Less targets under the coil at any one time results in less target information the detector has to process, hence should speed things up to a degree. For this reason I always carry a smaller coil should circumstances dictate the need for one.
If a good deal of beach detecting was a part of my detecting activities, I would definitely choose an FBS or BBS based detector over a VLF any day. No need to ground balance constantly, or set up the detector with a multitude of settings to have it running with any sort of stability. You can go from dry to wet or wet to dry, or even straight into the water with little or no effect to the stability.
Whilst you can get a VLF to work to a degree in such situations, ultimately it will result in compromised performance on order to get it running satisfactorily. There is a good reason why most seasoned beach/water hunters prefer FBS in such scenarios, have a look over various forums and that will soon be apparent.
Ultimately both have their limitations and advantages under certain scenarios, there is no escaping that. You just have to weigh up where a majority of your detecting will occur, what features you are looking for, and what suits your budget. There's no denying that both detectors have produced a hefty amount of finds over the years to prove their worth, so I don't believe in canning either for their shortcomings - operator experience certainly plays a huge part in how successful one is.
Either way, I'd be happy with one or the other, or both in my inventory - as they say, variety is the spice of life.
Goldpick said:Personally I prefer using a single frequency VLF in the more troublesome areas like old house sites with abundant rusted iron disseminated throughout the soil, with FBS based detectors more suited to finding deep high conductors in relatively clean ground. Different stokes for different folks really, for every you tube clip showing the shortcomings of these detectors, there are plenty around showing owners having a great deal of success. FBS will not suit everyone, and there are some who prefer to own both a CTX/Etrac and a Deus for the areas that suit their strengths (Deus being more suited to searching for small/thin low conductors amongst iron).
Also there has been very little talk on coil usage to suit certain sites. To me it is a no brainer to utilise the services of a smaller coil to improve target separation and the response of the detector in junky areas. Less targets under the coil at any one time results in less target information the detector has to process, hence should speed things up to a degree. For this reason I always carry a smaller coil should circumstances dictate the need for one.
If a good deal of beach detecting was a part of my detecting activities, I would definitely choose an FBS or BBS based detector over a VLF any day. No need to ground balance constantly, or set up the detector with a multitude of settings to have it running with any sort of stability. You can go from dry to wet or wet to dry, or even straight into the water with little or no effect to the stability.
Whilst you can get a VLF to work to a degree in such situations, ultimately it will result in compromised performance on order to get it running satisfactorily. There is a good reason why most seasoned beach/water hunters prefer FBS in such scenarios, have a look over various forums and that will soon be apparent.
Ultimately both have their limitations and advantages under certain scenarios, there is no escaping that. You just have to weigh up where a majority of your detecting will occur, what features you are looking for, and what suits your budget. There's no denying that both detectors have produced a hefty amount of finds over the years to prove their worth, so I don't believe in canning either for their shortcomings - operator experience certainly plays a huge part in how successful one is.
Either way, I'd be happy with one or the other, or both in my inventory - as they say, variety is the spice of life.
yeh i agree fbs is better for the beach but everytime i see people using fbs detectors they are never finding heaps of coins they find a few but never a handfull and evertime i see people using vlf detectors they seem to find more targets in general .this just could be me misdiagnosing this but yeh i just notice that with alot of vlf vs fbs videos .
ive done pretty well with the deus on the beach but yeh it isnt as stable and dosnt go as deep but in some cases thats a good thing i remember with some of my old detectors i would dig massive holes only to find some scrap hahahah it was like i was digging to china and back
.i thnik with version 4 there is gonna be some pretty good upgrades the xp guys are dam smart when it comes to technology and i got a feeling the deus is only gonna get better as these updates come out .
blakegarv said:
Youtube videos mean absolutely nothing. Using an etrac I got $32 in 1 1/2 hours 2nd time I used it, that is just over $20 an hour, roughly the same as your $207 in 10 1/2 hours. It depends more on the coin density per metre squared than the detector you swing. A bit of luck helps too.
Some days out gold detecting there are 3 or 4 of us with SDC's and generally no one gets exactly the same amount, some days 1 person gets all the nugs some days it's roughly even other days no one gets a nug, though that's rare with an SDC. Same detector, different luck, different day, many many variables.Some days you just land on a nice gold and diamond ring or silver florin, other days are all junk, every site is worth a try though as you never know when something special might pop up. Any detector will find some targets.
Posting misinformation is not helping anyone, it does not take much longer than 1/2 a second to identify a goldie. The numbers are quite stable and it's easy to cherrypick out the coins, anyone stating otherwise is just plain wrong. 12:36-12:40 is goldie range, you may get a few screwcaps too but mostly just goldies.
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Didnt know the numbers varied so much between the 705, and ctx, both minelabs. I get goldies from 28 (usually 1 buck) to 36. From 32-36 they are 2 bucks, or tops, small bits of aluminium.
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Heatho said:
Yeah there is a huge gap between picking up goldies and picking up pre-decimals. I found nearly $400 in decimals with the 705 in about 3 months but was wondering why I was not finding very many pre decimals until I started with the CTX. Blake sorry but it is hard to sit here and read what you a typing about the CTX and other Minelab machines as what you are saying is just not true. I will say that the Deus is faster than the CTX, witnessed this with my own eyes, but as for numbers jumping around I challenge you to walk into a junk infested field with your Deus with a GO Pro or something and show us all how the numbers on your Deus don't jump around when there is multiple targets under your coil. Just enjoy your Deus and lay off the Minelabs mate, as many of us are using them and using them well.
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Heatho said:
Just be warned mate, They can change quite a lot on Silver Coins and old Items
Heatho said:
that just proves even more why i dont use the ctx anymore .its not misinformation i had a ctx for 2 yrs .you say you find mostly goldies and not much screw caps thats because like i said the ctx has a strong silencer this is why i say i find alot more targets and coins with vlf than i ever did with fbs and i know 5 other guys that will say the egzact same thing .
yeh the fbs dosnt find alot of trash but if your not finding alot of trash there is something blocking out not so pure signals and that means you miss targets me and a few buddies already put this to the test they would go over ground twice then i would come behind and pick up coins they would miss but when the role was reversed they hardly found any coins i had missed and this comes do to a few things .the detector having faster response ,the detector being vlf ,the fbs masking some targets when over iron and so on .im not here to bag the ctx but if you gonna sit there and say im stating misinformation then be prepared for a response .i was one of those guys who would argue with people when they told me the ctx was bad and i would stand up for it but to be honest with the ctx i went over many parks and grounds and found not much at all hence why i was curious about the deus and realised that fbs wasnt what it was cracked up to be .
you can say i was bad with the machine or whatever but your wrong .
Ridge Runner said:
Maybe a bit but when I get a 11:43 a florin is usually what comes out of the ground, 11 or 12:45 2c coin, so on. It's pretty accurate so far for me but of course it's not 100% right every time. The big silver ring I got the other day I thought might have been 2c but it was a $500 ring.
