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Occasional_panner said:
Have a look here https://www.redenergy.com.au/living...-is-the-average-electricity-bill-in-australia

We use around 7-10kwh a day without air con running.
With air con it can be 30kw a day.

We have gas cooking and hot water

I have never had a home with aircon in Aus or here.

I stopped using my big 48/49" TV because it uses about 85 to 120watts per hour where as my small TV runs on 240 via a 12vAdapter and it averages 29.8watts per hour, My Laptop has used 84 watts in the past 4 hours and my Light/Lamp has used 7.11watts per hour, So since 13:30 lunch time which is 11 hours 45 minutes I have used 530.5 watts plus about 680 to 720 watts for the Kitchen fridge, So that's about 1250 watts for the last 24 hours.
 
Swinging & digging said:
In Victoria they shut Hazlewood Power Station ( 1600 MW )
To replace that generating capacity with wind, would require 602 Square Kilometres of wind farms.
Or solar 24.69 square kilometres, of panels displacing vegetation.

The Politicians / Greenies / climate strike students or the general public have no idea how we could easily and cheaply transition to renewable sources of power generation.

Your "602 square kilometres of wind farms" for 1600 megawatts appears to overstate the required area by about 50%, as the US National Renewable Energy Laboratory survey of 172 large-scale wind power projects, found a rough average of 4 megawatts per square kilometer. ie. 400 square kilometres for 1600 megawatts (https://sciencing.com/much-land-needed-wind-turbines-12304634.html). To put this into perspective, 400 square kilometres = 40,000 hectares/99,000 acres, easily do-able in Australia's wide-open spaces.

In fact, Victoria already has 1733 megawatts of operational wind farms, with another 1738 megawatts under construction and 2533 megawatts in the approval stages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_farms_in_Victoria).

Also, despite your mention of "displacing vegetation", neither windfarms nor PV solar farms sterilise the land they occupy, with grazing and cropping still possible amongst the generating infrastructure.
 
Ridge Runner said:
goldierocks said:
I am interested in people's experiences but it would be a bit easier to compare if discussed in terms of energy (KwH or gigajoules) rather than wattage. I guess wattage (or Kw) is the maximum power that you can deliver at any instant, so you multiply that by 24 hours to get the energy used per day (KwH).

The average Australian home uses 32,500 KwH per year (89 KwH per day). So Ridge Runner, I guess you were using around 108 KwH per day, and now use an average around 1.7 Kw (1700 watt), which over a day (24 hours) is 41 KwH per day, or less than half average Australian usage. I suspect I use a bit more than the national average.

In other words, I would probably need a system that would deliver about 2.5 x what yours can deliver in watts.

Is my reasoning correct? It is a long time since I did any physics.

Well according to my latest bill for 44 days I used 105 KwH, But that is not my normal usage because I was playing with 4 battery chargers and running the lights and small TV and the laptop during the hours when it was dark which was from 16:00hrs to 08:00 hours the next morning, So 105KwH divided by 44 days is 2.386KwH per 24 hours which is a little high because of staying up all night and playing with Toys,

Based on those figure although excessive, 2.386kwH OR 2386Watts per Day would be equal to 871.02KwH per year, Basically 871kwH per year. OR 871.020Watts

Does that help ??

John.
The average household uses that much in a couple of weeks, so I suspect something is wrong i.e. the average is 32,500 KwH per year and you are using 871 KwH per year. Is the bill showing the total used or just the total mains juice that you paid for above what you produce?
 
goldierocks said:
Ridge Runner said:
goldierocks said:
I am interested in people's experiences but it would be a bit easier to compare if discussed in terms of energy (KwH or gigajoules) rather than wattage. I guess wattage (or Kw) is the maximum power that you can deliver at any instant, so you multiply that by 24 hours to get the energy used per day (KwH).

The average Australian home uses 32,500 KwH per year (89 KwH per day). So Ridge Runner, I guess you were using around 108 KwH per day, and now use an average around 1.7 Kw (1700 watt), which over a day (24 hours) is 41 KwH per day, or less than half average Australian usage. I suspect I use a bit more than the national average.

In other words, I would probably need a system that would deliver about 2.5 x what yours can deliver in watts.

Is my reasoning correct? It is a long time since I did any physics.

Well according to my latest bill for 44 days I used 105 KwH, But that is not my normal usage because I was playing with 4 battery chargers and running the lights and small TV and the laptop during the hours when it was dark which was from 16:00hrs to 08:00 hours the next morning, So 105KwH divided by 44 days is 2.386KwH per 24 hours which is a little high because of staying up all night and playing with Toys,

Based on those figure although excessive, 2.386kwH OR 2386Watts per Day would be equal to 871.02KwH per year, Basically 871kwH per year. OR 871.020Watts

Does that help ??

John.
The average household uses that much in a couple of weeks, so I suspect something is wrong i.e. the average is 32,500 KwH per year and you are using 871 KwH per year. Is the bill showing the total used or just the total mains juice that you paid for above what you produce?

I have only just bought the Batteries and the other 2 Panels so I have not hooked it up yet So I have not had a chance to compare anything as of yet.

Yes the Bill shows what you have used for that month or every 3 months or from one date to the next and the Meter shows what has been used since it was installed in to the property, I have kept every Bill they have sent and I cross check it before hand because they always try to over estimate it so they can get paid more, So every time they do that I always have to get them to correct it before I pay it, Last September they over estimated my Bill by 4X the amount used and then tried to send the details to a Debt recovery firm So I phoned the Debt people up and told them the facts which did not end well for the power company.
 
goldierocks said:
Ridge Runner said:
Well according to my latest bill for 44 days I used 105 KwH, But that is not my normal usage because I was playing with 4 battery chargers and running the lights and small TV and the laptop during the hours when it was dark which was from 16:00hrs to 08:00 hours the next morning, So 105KwH divided by 44 days is 2.386KwH per 24 hours which is a little high because of staying up all night and playing with Toys,

Based on those figure although excessive, 2.386kwH OR 2386Watts per Day would be equal to 871.02KwH per year, Basically 871kwH per year. OR 871.020Watts

Does that help ??

John.
The average household uses that much in a couple of weeks, so I suspect something is wrong i.e. the average is 32,500 KwH per year and you are using 871 KwH per year. Is the bill showing the total used or just the total mains juice that you paid for above what you produce?

No Nothing is wrong, Like I said I replaced everything with low powered Items, and I turned off the power to things I don't use and only turn them on if I need to use them, When I first came here my power bill were huge and then I worked out why, for start all my lighting were sets of 3 Halogen globes burning 150w per hour where now my Lamp uses 7 watts per hour which saves me 143 watts per HOUR x8 hours = a saving of 1144watts Per Day and in the winter time that could rise to 12 hours day because it does get dark early around 15:30 to 16:00hrs, The Oven was using 2.5kwh and the shower was using 2Kwh, So I replaced the Oven with a 1000w microwave that is On only for 4 minutes at a time/per day which equals 66.6watts So that saves me 2433.4 watts per day

My electric Jug uses about 230w every time you boil it, So seeing as I drink a lot of Coffee I could boil it 8 to 10 times a day But Now I boil it once and put the rest of the water in a Flask So instead of using 2300w per day I only use 229.16w So that is saving me 2070.84 Watts per day, My TV uses 29.883 watts per hour instead of and average of 110w watching the Big TV for 8 hours at night and that is 880watts where as my little TV only uses 239watts in 8 hours so that is saving me 640.9watts for the same 8 hour and instead of a normal computer using 120w+ I use my laptop instead which only uses 21 watts per hour,

Bottom line is I went and bought power meters and tested every thing and If push comes to shove I can still reduce my power usage by another 50% and then I still have the option of hooking up the Solar and wiping out the last remaining 50% which will be happening in the next few weeks, I have had it with these power companies and their Lies,

You can forget all these ABCDE and F+ energy rating BS because none of it relates to REAL World facts an figures, Because My Big TV has an A+ energy Rating at 99,000KwH but if you watch it for 5 hours a day IE watch the news and keep the kids happy when they come home from school, Just the normal everyday type stuff at 110w X 5 +550w X that by 365 and that adds up to 200750W per year OR 200.75KwH per year and they give fridges an A+ rating and Irons and washing machines and dish washers etc Now in the shop that all looks impressive and is a major part of their Sales Hype, But the truth is depending on what the Appliance is They are rated in a totally different way Say from a TV to a washing machine or a Fridge, My house fridge was meant to have a low A+ rating when I tested it In Winter it uses 700w per day and in the warmer months it will use over 1100w, But even in the cooler winter months it uses more than double what they claim in the Manual Using 127750w per year in the colder months and in the other 6 warmer months it will use 200750 Add 127750 + 328500w per year, Yet it is only meant to use 227.000watts per year, So it's using 101.000w + more per year.

The Only way to get a true Idea on how you can cut your power bills it to Test every thing in the house and write it down and work out what you can do to reduce the power each item uses, Some you can Axe by a lot other items you might only save 10w per day, But even a small amount like 10w per day adds up to 3650w per year,

The first time I went checking every thing before I bought the power meters I cut my power usage by 66% and when I got the meters I cut the remaining 34% in half again.

These are what I used to check the power each item uses and some Items I kept them plugged in to the meters for weeks at a time, These are for the UK market but no doubt you can get them to suit Aussie Plugs Too.

PS I just checked the specs and they do them in Aussie Plugs Too.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Plug-...alyzer-/283405063408?var=&hash=item41fc4214f0
 
If you have technology to make your life easier why not use it.
How is it being a tough guy putting your family through sweltering nights and not sleeping, who wants to see their toddler sweating away and not sleeping.

Getting up the next day dog tired, then going to work and possibly having an accident because you are so tired and not concentrating.

Technology is there, use it.

What about an mri scan or a blood test?
Too tough for those as well hey?

Oh yeah jeeeez I take my hat off to you. :clap:
 
Occasional_panner said:
If you have technology to make your life easier why not use it.
How is it being a tough guy putting your family through sweltering nights and not sleeping, who wants to see their toddler sweating away and not sleeping.

Getting up the next day dog tired, then going to work and possibly having an accident because you are so tired and not concentrating.

Technology is there, use it.

What about an mri scan or a blood test?
Too tough for those as well hey?

Oh yeah jeeeez I take my hat off to you. :clap:

I don't know why you are taking shots at people when you know nothing about their lives.

And what do MRI Scans or Blood pressure tests have to do with it, But Point in question those "Modern" Blood Pressure machines have Battery Backup and the only time you have to plug them in is to recharge them after many hours use,
 
I just got another letter from the power supply company where they have increased the standing charge on the meters which means I will now have to pay around $509.09cc to $520.00 per year even if I don't use the Gas or electric That equals One Solar Panel and One 130Amp Battery on it's Own. So that's a bit of a jump compared to my post further up the page where I Quoted $370.00 per year.

This I why I tested everything and cut my power usage. Because when they increase the costs in one place I have to look where I can reduce the cost in another place.

and it is the same thing every year. Not impressed but we have to do what needs to be done.
 
My Nan, long gone, who lived WW1(?) could remember the Germans coming over London in their airships and basically chucking bombs over the side for max damage .
She also remembered the coming of the nuclear age and was in awe of the power of Uranium. One lump in the fire place could warm the house to eternity. The worlds problems solved. A modern day Alfred Nobel. Relatively.
 

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