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Narrawa said:
dazza513 said:
Alot of youtube vids showing v3i users checking a target with a screen that shows individual target strength of the three frequencies, seems like they use this feature along side normal discrimination.
Strength of the closest target only....and a screw cap above a coin...which one is going to be the dominant strength.?

Anyone that owns a v3i can check this for themselves.

Just bury An aluminium screwcap 4" deep and then Do the same for a coin.

Notice 2 different frequencies. The coin on
The v3i should appear as 2.5 khz.

You can bury an array of different rings to....what do you think is going to happen.? Do all aussie coinage respond to only 2.5khz.?

Yes well all forms of discrimination can be fooled by multible targets and rings are all different sizes and metals, minelab fbs has a 2 dimentional discrimination display made possible by looking at a targets responce to different frequencies and then guessing it's ferrous content as well as the more traditional conductivity reading.

The whites v3i does show this information but its upto the operator to work it out.
 
Heatho, you can cherry pick with an array of makes and models all day long....and still leave goodies behind.
 
Narrawa said:
Have a look at these readings......they illustrate whats happening in an air test...not the real world. In the real world, things are not as they appear.
This takes place will all detectors, not just the v3i. The v3i simply has much more to guide you in making a decision.

http://forum.kimbucktwo.com/index.php?topic=18308.0

That's a pretty awesome feature on the V3i. I'll check the response on the same test with the 3030 pinpoint trace and see how it looks, in theory thinking about it the trace should smudge a bit instead of being just a dot for 1 coin as the 2 different coins give a slightly different reading from each other.
 
Heatho said:
With FBS you can cherry pick 1 and 2 dollar coins all day long it is that accurate on them, makes it pretty easy. :)

Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?
 
Wolfau said:
Heatho said:
With FBS you can cherry pick 1 and 2 dollar coins all day long it is that accurate on them, makes it pretty easy. :)

Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?

probably not screw caps look like coins as well on the target trace thats why i didnt find it as useful as some people because it will show a circle and it would still be a cap .

at the end of the day i dont really think there is a way of telling egzacly what is under the ground with any detector i just think these companys try and find ways to make it a bit easier .
 
Wolfau said:
Heatho said:
With FBS you can cherry pick 1 and 2 dollar coins all day long it is that accurate on them, makes it pretty easy. :)

Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?

No wolf, some screw caps are almost bang on the same reading as a goldie, some are different. I've been getting a few screw caps down deep. Does not bother me though as I do a bit of gold detecting so usually dig most targets, never know when a nice gold ring will pop up with a reading the same as pull tab values either.

Though in High Trash setting it will reveal a coin next to iron as it looks for the least ferrous target and displays the according value and tone, the pinpoint trace will show both targets too if they are totally different composition, that won't help with a screwcap and coin of the same values though., will just be 1 dot instead of 2.
 
Actually in a few days time I'll set up my goldies only pattern on the 3030 and do a couple of hunts and post a pic of the junk and coins, that will give a good idea of what falls into the same range.
 
Heatho said:
Wolfau said:
Heatho said:
With FBS you can cherry pick 1 and 2 dollar coins all day long it is that accurate on them, makes it pretty easy. :)

Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?

No wolf, some screw caps are almost bang on the same reading as a goldie, some are different. I've been getting a few screw caps down deep. Does not bother me though as I do a bit of gold detecting so usually dig most targets, never know when a nice gold ring will pop up with a reading the same as pull tab values either.

Though in High Trash setting it will reveal a coin next to iron as it looks for the least ferrous target and displays the according value and tone, the pinpoint trace will show both targets too if they are totally different composition, that won't help with a screwcap and coin of the same values though., will just be 1 dot instead of 2.

I hear you. I have used many many different brand of detectors over the years and not one could.

When I used the v3i and made this discovery I was impressed. I think if the Audio block out was
added for a chosen frequency it would be another useful tool, not perfect but another useful tool.

No detector is accuarate in target id hence why I opted for the machine I use that I was lucky to get
for $1500 new.

Technology though needs to change and all it takes is for one manufacturer to come up with the
goods and unless patents are in place others may follow.

How cool would it be to have a detector that scans the ground and gives you actual inground
readouts of targets being detected as they lay in the ground. Not sure if this would happen anytime soon.
 
Heatho said:
Actually in a few days time I'll set up my goldies only pattern on the 3030 and do a couple of hunts and post a pic of the junk and coins, that will give a good idea of what falls into the same range.

Life is too short. Enjoy your new machine. I would be very excited if I was in your shoes.

Minelab makes very nice detectors and they have helped many many prospectors
open up the Gold fields and have introdced many into this great hobby. There is no doubt about that.
 
Wolfau said:
Heatho said:
Wolfau said:
Heatho said:
With FBS you can cherry pick 1 and 2 dollar coins all day long it is that accurate on them, makes it pretty easy. :)

Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?

No wolf, some screw caps are almost bang on the same reading as a goldie, some are different. I've been getting a few screw caps down deep. Does not bother me though as I do a bit of gold detecting so usually dig most targets, never know when a nice gold ring will pop up with a reading the same as pull tab values either.

Though in High Trash setting it will reveal a coin next to iron as it looks for the least ferrous target and displays the according value and tone, the pinpoint trace will show both targets too if they are totally different composition, that won't help with a screwcap and coin of the same values though., will just be 1 dot instead of 2.

I hear you. I have used many many different brand of detectors over the years and not one could.

When I used the v3i and made this discovery I was impressed. I think if the Audio block out was
added for a chosen frequency it would be another useful tool, not perfect but another useful tool.

No detector is accuarate in target id hence why I opted for the machine I use that I was lucky to get
for $1500 new.

Technology though needs to change and all it takes is for one manufacturer to come up with the
goods and unless patents are in place others may follow.

How cool would it be to have a detector that scans the ground and gives you actual inground
readouts of targets being detected as they lay in the ground. Not sure if this would happen anytime soon.

Would be good if they could come up with some sort of a target density as well a Fe/Co readout I think.
 
When I used the v3i and made this discovery I was impressed.
What discovery did you make.?
Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?
That wouldn't be cherry picking now would it.?
 
Narrawa said:
When I used the v3i and made this discovery I was impressed.
What discovery did you make.?
Can you cherry pick the $1 and $2 coins that are buried at upto 6" where aluminium
screw caps are buried without detecting the aluminum screw caps?
That wouldn't be cherry picking now would it.?

Are you hellbent on killing this tread?
 
dazza513 said:
Narrawa said:
dazza513 said:
Alot of youtube vids showing v3i users checking a target with a screen that shows individual target strength of the three frequencies, seems like they use this feature along side normal discrimination.
Strength of the closest target only....and a screw cap above a coin...which one is going to be the dominant strength.?

Anyone that owns a v3i can check this for themselves.

Just bury An aluminium screwcap 4" deep and then Do the same for a coin.

Notice 2 different frequencies. The coin on
The v3i should appear as 2.5 khz.

You can bury an array of different rings to....what do you think is going to happen.? Do all aussie coinage respond to only 2.5khz.?

Yes well all forms of discrimination can be fooled by multible targets and rings are all different sizes and metals, minelab fbs has a 2 dimentional discrimination display made possible by looking at a targets responce to different frequencies and then guessing it's ferrous content as well as the more traditional conductivity reading.

The whites v3i does show this information but its upto the operator to work it out.
Tell me how the 2 dimensional disc works in conjunction with ferrous targets larger than the coin it sits above.?? How does the field generated see through one target to ID the target below and give the accuracy spoken about.? Same gos for the v3i which is being misrepresented to the reader, making one think its the ideal detector for an age old problem....screw caps.?

Sorry to disappoint the reader, but its not going to happen....your going to dig screw caps from surface to depth, crushed, disfigured along with just as many good finds. The three colored bars you see when the detectors is used in the pin-point screen...measure signal strength of the target, and the frequency thats dominating it at that depth. If there is little between the frequencies, than the dominant frequency may change as you get closer to the target, or mineralization can have a major effect when at depths being used for relic hunting. Perhaps a small bit of iron off to the side can throw a spanner into the works also.?

In good clean parks/beach, the nice strait lines representing coins, will also represent screw caps, and not always are the frequencies going to be dominant around 2.5khz like suggested in this thread. In the link i put up, it clearly shows that a $2 coin is being reported on 7.5khz....and so to is the screw cap???

When nice strait lines come up out in the gold fields looking for gold, coins and relics.....you never get to excited...trust me. And as for the v3i not being very good at recovery speeds......its fully adjustable, and the speed in which it can report multiple targets in a very small sweep motion can and will cause eyebrow movement. Yet, there are simpler detectors able to do the same job.

The v3i is a top performer, just like the FBS/BBS machines are, i know i had my share of them, but in the end they didnt float my boat....and the v3i is long over due for a makeover, yet its hard to put down as you continue to tweak its tweakables. :lol:

When you look at buying a v3i, you look at your level of patience and ability to learn. This detector will teach you a lot about things that are not discussed in the manuals of other makes and models. From that you can gain a lot of valuable information you may have never heard of or thought you needed to know about detecting. Dont buy one thinking its going to ID all the nasty's that have plagued us for years, your going to be disappointed. In saying that, it can give you better guidance than many other makes and models.
 
With The MXTs I have Found Pull Tabs/Ring Pulls to be the Biggest Pain for me, Because Over here they Come up where the Silver Hammered Coins Do But With earlier MXTs they had A Pull tab Notch which works well and most of the Time the Notch Allows them to come through and screw caps are just below modern High value Coins So I always know what they are before I dig them and I might get fooled 3 X in A 100, So they are not an issue, Thin / Small gold rings with Platinum Caps on come up Very Very Low as In just above Iron so It is very important to dig such Targets which is why I always warn people how to set the DISC.
 
Ridge Runner said:
With The MXTs I have Found Pull Tabs/Ring Pulls to be the Biggest Pain for me, Because Over here they Come up where the Silver Hammered Coins Do But With earlier MXTs they had A Pull tab Notch which works well and most of the Time the Notch Allows them to come through and screw caps are just below modern High value Coins So I always know what they are before I dig them and I might get fooled 3 X in A 100, So they are not an issue, Thin / Small gold rings with Platinum Caps on come up Very Very Low as In just above Iron so It is very important to dig such Targets which is why I always warn people how to set the DISC.

Have used the mxt in Australia?
 
Wolfau said:
Ridge Runner said:
With The MXTs I have Found Pull Tabs/Ring Pulls to be the Biggest Pain for me, Because Over here they Come up where the Silver Hammered Coins Do But With earlier MXTs they had A Pull tab Notch which works well and most of the Time the Notch Allows them to come through and screw caps are just below modern High value Coins So I always know what they are before I dig them and I might get fooled 3 X in A 100, So they are not an issue, Thin / Small gold rings with Platinum Caps on come up Very Very Low as In just above Iron so It is very important to dig such Targets which is why I always warn people how to set the DISC.

Have used the mxt in Australia?

Are you asking if I have, if so Yes in 2011 when I stayed with Friends At Kilkivan, and I found 3 little nuggets and one was a Massive 1.1gms, It was my pride and Joy,
 
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