thoughts on whites spectra v3i or mxt all pro

[blakegarv]

hey guys just looking at a few detectors atm and was wonding what are your experiences with the v3i or mxt all pro ,pros and cons .i like the look of the mxt all pro but without a volume control that would get annoying .i want something that will basically do beach and parks etc .ive got a deus and love it to bits but thinking of getting another detector to add the the collection .

 

[Guest]

Get the mxt pro and headphones with Volume control.

The v3i takes time to learn.

The advantage the v3i has I think is teh ability to know 80% of time when you
detect aluminium screw caps going by the frequency range it falls in.

A new Model might be in the pipeline as Well.

I would wait though as new detectors Should be introduced latter in the year
Or early next year.

 

[Narrawa]

The advantage the v3i has I think is teh ability to know 80% of time when you
detect aluminium screw caps going by the frequency range it falls in.

The v3i cannot distinguish screw caps ring pulls or twist tops by frequency...despite what you read or determine by air testing. If this was the case......like the 3030 and siblings with its 1.5-100khz operating frequencies...you'd not bother with any other make model detector...why would you.?

If i chose only one frequency on the v3i, how does that distinguish between targets.?

Its got just as many pros as it has cons.

 

[Guest]

The advantage the v3i has I think is teh ability to know 80% of time when you
detect aluminium screw caps going by the frequency range it falls in.

The v3i cannot distinguish screw caps ring pulls or twist tops by frequency...despite what you read or determine by air testing. If this was the case......like the 3030 and siblings with its 1.5-100khz operating frequencies...you'd not bother with any other make model detector...why would you.?

If i chose only one frequency on the v3i, how does that distinguish between targets.?

Its got just as many pros as it has cons.

I suggest you read my reply properly. I only
Mentioned aluminium screw caps and i actaully
Owned and used a v3i.

1st thing no one mentioned aluminium pulltabs.

The 2nd thing no one mentioned the v3i
Does this.

But there is a way of figuring this out.

How? Bury a $1 coin at 4". What frequency range
does this fall under?

Now do the same with an aluminium screw cap
and nothing else. Is the frequency the same as
The coin?

No its not hence Why I have been saying all
Along if you have the Option of blocking a
Frequency range even if its audio only
then in this example aluminium screw caps
will disappear as a coin shooter would be
One awesome detector.

 

[Narrawa]

Iv read all your reply's and myths about doing this on a v3i....if it was plausible enough to be of any worth... You would still have a v3i.

I still have and use very regularly my v3i.....99% of aluminum screw caps are bent/buckled/warped/flattened....its a cruel world aint it.? But its simply just being realistic to the actual in ground finds. Manipulating the in ground target can be done with just about any detector for the purpose of a reading to suit your agenda.

No its not hence Why I have been saying all
Along if you have the Option of blocking a
Frequency range even if its audio only
then in this example aluminium screw caps
will disappear as a coin shooter would be
One awesome detector.

You still dont get it do you.??....block the caps from audio and you block multiple other targets of worth. Block the frequency range as you call it...and you gain nothing that hits in that frequency range. Rings, coins, chains yada yada yada.?

If i chose just one of the three frequencies available on the v3i....how will that stop aluminum screw caps from showing.?
Aluminum= none ferrous.?

 

[Guest]

Iv read all your reply's and myths about doing this on a v3i....if it was plausible enough to be of any worth... You would still have a v3i.

Why is it a myth?

Its very clear that coins fall on 2.5khz.

The aluminium screw cap falls on the 7.5kh range.

If your coin detecting and looking for only coins why would you dig the other targets that fall in the 7.5khz range
in an area that is littered with Aluminium screw caps?

Like the notch feature this could be another option one can use.

You still dont get it do you.??....block the caps from audio and you block multiple other targets of worth. Block the frequency range as you call it...and you gain nothing that hits in that frequency range. Rings, coins, chains yada yada yada.?

I fully get it, and I get it more than what you think. As explained if your solely coin shooting this would be another feature one can use.

No its not bullet proof nor is a discriminator but as explained its another feature someone looking for coins can use. If your down the
beach in your shorts with your Raybans you would switch this off and dig all targets.

If i chose just one of the three frequencies available on the v3i....how will that stop aluminum screw caps from showing.?
Aluminum= none ferrous.?

Just choose the 2.5khz setting and coins only should appear appear along with some other trash you will detect.

 

[blakegarv]

The advantage the v3i has I think is teh ability to know 80% of time when you
detect aluminium screw caps going by the frequency range it falls in.

The v3i cannot distinguish screw caps ring pulls or twist tops by frequency...despite what you read or determine by air testing. If this was the case......like the 3030 and siblings with its 1.5-100khz operating frequencies...you'd not bother with any other make model detector...why would you.?

If i chose only one frequency on the v3i, how does that distinguish between targets.?

Its got just as many pros as it has cons.

I suggest you read my reply properly. I only
Mentioned aluminium screw caps and i actaully
Owned and used a v3i.

1st thing no one mentioned aluminium pulltabs.

The 2nd thing no one mentioned the v3i
Does this.

But there is a way of figuring this out.

How? Bury a $1 coin at 4". What frequency range
does this fall under?

Now do the same with an aluminium screw cap
and nothing else. Is the frequency the same as
The coin?

No its not hence Why I have been saying all
Along if you have the Option of blocking a
Frequency range even if its audio only
then in this example aluminium screw caps
will disappear as a coin shooter would be
One awesome detector.

hey wolf you have the deus and v3i what are your thoughts between them .i have been looking at a v3i as a addition to my collection .is it a good machine ?.

 

[blakegarv]

ive heard that the v3i shows you which frequency is more dominant and that can be the decider between a coin or trash .sounds like a pretty cool idea .

 

[Narrawa]

Why is it a myth?

Its very clear that coins fall on 2.5khz.

Why?...my other detectors find coins also, none of them have 2.5khz.

The aluminium screw cap falls on the 7.5kh range.
Aluminum is a metal, any detector using whatever frequency is not immune to finding aluminum.

If your coin detecting and looking for only coins why would you dig the other targets that fall in the 7.5khz range
in an area that is littered with Aluminium screw caps?

Because the term coin hunting is just a another way of saying metal detecting for roundish metals. Screw caps are mostly round if not molested.

Like the notch feature this could be another option one can use.

The v3i has by far the most sophisticated notch feature available.

I fully get it, and I get it more than what you think. As explained if your solely coin shooting this would be another feature one can use.
Again, you said coin shooting...coins are metals, some made of differing metals.

No its not bullet proof nor is a discriminator but as explained its another feature someone looking for coins can use. If your down the
beach in your shorts with your Raybans you would switch this off and dig all targets.

Coins = metals. Raybans are so yesterday.

Disc by frequency....how is it the FBS/BBS systems are known for being deep seeking machines.?...could it be the actual frequency they tx on....and not harmonics.? If the Whites uses 3 freq to tx and rx on.....and its written in the literature that by doing this you suffer a little loss in power.....imagine whats happening with something generating 17- 28 frequencies ect.? Is the BBS/FBS systems that far in front of anything else.??...why do they still pick up pesky ring pulls, screw caps, twist tops.? Its not because their made of metals now is it.?

So you see Wolf....the v3i has only 3 frequencies...and i can honestly tell you that what your saying is not happening, or BBS/FBS operators would be reporting how well it works on that side of the fence.

If you take the time to learn this machine, in time you will see. Iv not scratched the surface of my v3is abilities yet.....but i do like its approach to the lessons.

 

[Guest]

The advantage the v3i has I think is teh ability to know 80% of time when you
detect aluminium screw caps going by the frequency range it falls in.

The v3i cannot distinguish screw caps ring pulls or twist tops by frequency...despite what you read or determine by air testing. If this was the case......like the 3030 and siblings with its 1.5-100khz operating frequencies...you'd not bother with any other make model detector...why would you.?

If i chose only one frequency on the v3i, how does that distinguish between targets.?

Its got just as many pros as it has cons.

I suggest you read my reply properly. I only
Mentioned aluminium screw caps and i actaully
Owned and used a v3i.

1st thing no one mentioned aluminium pulltabs.

The 2nd thing no one mentioned the v3i
Does this.

But there is a way of figuring this out.

How? Bury a $1 coin at 4". What frequency range
does this fall under?

Now do the same with an aluminium screw cap
and nothing else. Is the frequency the same as
The coin?

No its not hence Why I have been saying all
Along if you have the Option of blocking a
Frequency range even if its audio only
then in this example aluminium screw caps
will disappear as a coin shooter would be
One awesome detector.

hey wolf you have the deus and v3i what are your thoughts between them .i have been looking at a v3i as a addition to my collection .is it a good machine ?.

Yes its a good machine but you need to learn how to use it. Its heavier than the Deus as well
and you need to make sure you set it up properly.

Take a look on ebay USA. You may pick one up for around $1000 US. This is how I buy my
detectors.

Don't forget an update for the Deus should be available soon.

I would wait for another 12 months to see what new detectors get released from the US.

 

[blakegarv]

Why is it a myth?

Its very clear that coins fall on 2.5khz.

Why?...my other detectors find coins also, none of them have 2.5khz.

The aluminium screw cap falls on the 7.5kh range.
Aluminum is a metal, any detector using whatever frequency is not immune to finding aluminum.

If your coin detecting and looking for only coins why would you dig the other targets that fall in the 7.5khz range
in an area that is littered with Aluminium screw caps?

Because the term coin hunting is just a another way of saying metal detecting for roundish metals. Screw caps are mostly round if not molested.

Like the notch feature this could be another option one can use.

The v3i has by far the most sophisticated notch feature available.

I fully get it, and I get it more than what you think. As explained if your solely coin shooting this would be another feature one can use.
Again, you said coin shooting...coins are metals, some made of differing metals.

No its not bullet proof nor is a discriminator but as explained its another feature someone looking for coins can use. If your down the
beach in your shorts with your Raybans you would switch this off and dig all targets.

Coins = metals. Raybans are so yesterday.

Disc by frequency....how is it the FBS/BBS systems are known for being deep seeking machines.?...could it be the actual frequency they tx on....and not harmonics.? If the Whites uses 3 freq to tx and rx on.....and its written in the literature that by doing this you suffer a little loss in power.....imagine whats happening with something generating 17- 28 frequencies ect.? Is the BBS/FBS systems that far in front of anything else.??...why do they still pick up pesky ring pulls, screw caps, twist tops.? Its not because their made of metals now is it.?

So you see Wolf....the v3i has only 3 frequencies...and i can honestly tell you that what your saying is not happening, or BBS/FBS operators would be reporting how well it works on that side of the fence.

If you take the time to learn this machine, in time you will see. Iv not scratched the surface of my v3is abilities yet.....but i do like its approach to the lessons.

wouldnt the coins falling under 2.5khz be a more accurate idea of it being a coin rather than trash tho .i personally hate fbs machines they are to slow and null out in heavy iron i had a ctx for almost 2 yrs and it was hopless .it would take me all day to search a area and in heavy iron the good targets would get masked .
i think the whites being able to see certain signals would be a great idea because if 2.5 is dominant then that would be a good indication of a coin would it not ?.i cant speak to much cause i dont have a v3i but it sounds like a good machine .

 

[Guest]

Why is it a myth?

Its very clear that coins fall on 2.5khz.

Why?...my other detectors find coins also, none of them have 2.5khz.

The aluminium screw cap falls on the 7.5kh range.
Aluminum is a metal, any detector using whatever frequency is not immune to finding aluminum.

If your coin detecting and looking for only coins why would you dig the other targets that fall in the 7.5khz range
in an area that is littered with Aluminium screw caps?

Because the term coin hunting is just a another way of saying metal detecting for roundish metals. Screw caps are mostly round if not molested.

Like the notch feature this could be another option one can use.

The v3i has by far the most sophisticated notch feature available.

I fully get it, and I get it more than what you think. As explained if your solely coin shooting this would be another feature one can use.
Again, you said coin shooting...coins are metals, some made of differing metals.

No its not bullet proof nor is a discriminator but as explained its another feature someone looking for coins can use. If your down the
beach in your shorts with your Raybans you would switch this off and dig all targets.

Coins = metals. Raybans are so yesterday.

Disc by frequency....how is it the FBS/BBS systems are known for being deep seeking machines.?...could it be the actual frequency they tx on....and not harmonics.? If the Whites uses 3 freq to tx and rx on.....and its written in the literature that by doing this you suffer a little loss in power.....imagine whats happening with something generating 17- 28 frequencies ect.? Is the BBS/FBS systems that far in front of anything else.??...why do they still pick up pesky ring pulls, screw caps, twist tops.? Its not because their made of metals now is it.?

So you see Wolf....the v3i has only 3 frequencies...and i can honestly tell you that what your saying is not happening, or BBS/FBS operators would be reporting how well it works on that side of the fence.

If you take the time to learn this machine, in time you will see. Iv not scratched the surface of my v3is abilities yet.....but i do like its approach to the lessons.

My answers to your questions are based on the v3i and the way the v3i works
and identifies targets and has nothing to do with any other detector.

There is no point talking about another detector or detecting technology if
the end user can not see a readout similiar to the v3i of frequency readout
per target.

Whites are onto something and I even contacted a manufacturer about this.

You say you can't see this happening but I don't agree because you can do
a fair bit with software programming.

 

[dazza513]

Alot of youtube vids showing v3i users checking a target with a screen that shows individual target strength of the three frequencies, seems like they use this feature along side normal discrimination.

 

[Guest]

Alot of youtube vids showing v3i users checking a target with a screen that shows individual target strength of the three frequencies, seems like they use this feature along side normal discrimination.

Thanks for the reply.

Anyone that owns a v3i can check this for themselves.

Just bury An aluminium screwcap 4" deep and then Do the same for a coin.

Notice 2 different frequencies. The coin on
The v3i should appear as 2.5 khz.

Now all thats needed is a software upgrade add a button in menu with frequency Audio blockout tick box add a heap of codevand its All good to go.

If button is activated then the Audio for the frequency chosen is blocked out.

Its simply an upgrade in software.

This though is another option which i Would use only looking for coins and is
Best only for coin specific hunts.

 

[Narrawa]

Alot of youtube vids showing v3i users checking a target with a screen that shows individual target strength of the three frequencies, seems like they use this feature along side normal discrimination.

Strength of the closest target only....and a screw cap above a coin...which one is going to be the dominant strength.?

Anyone that owns a v3i can check this for themselves.

Just bury An aluminium screwcap 4" deep and then Do the same for a coin.

Notice 2 different frequencies. The coin on
The v3i should appear as 2.5 khz.

You can bury an array of different rings to....what do you think is going to happen.? Do all aussie coinage respond to only 2.5khz.?

 

[blakegarv]

what im getting from this and tell me if im wrong cause im not sure is that coins will have a stronger signal towards 2.5khz and screw caps and junk the signal will be stronger with 7.5khz is this what you guys are saying cause if so that is pretty cool that you could distinguish a target based on the frequency i did look at a video but the v3is numbers were jumping around alot is this normal or ?.it does look like a cool machine .

 

[Guest]

what im getting from this and tell me if im wrong cause im not sure is that coins will have a stronger signal towards 2.5khz and screw caps and junk the signal will be stronger with 7.5khz is this what you guys are saying cause if so that is pretty cool that you could distinguish a target based on the frequency i did look at a video but the v3is numbers were jumping around alot is this normal or ?.it does look like a cool machine .

Exactly.

Its pretty cool technology. Its not bullet
Proof though and would need some tweaking.
A really thick gold ring can come up as
A strong 7.5 signal.

In saying this its an option one can use
If your looking only for coins where aluminium
Screws lay.

It won't suprise me if whites explores this further
Though with much faster computer technology
Available today compared to when the v3 was
Introduced. Who knows.

This only needs to be explored via software
Upgrades as the v3i already does its thing.

 

[Heatho]

wouldnt the coins falling under 2.5khz be a more accurate idea of it being a coin rather than trash tho .i personally hate fbs machines they are to slow and null out in heavy iron i had a ctx for almost 2 yrs and it was hopless .it would take me all day to search a area and in heavy iron the good targets would get masked .
i think the whites being able to see certain signals would be a great idea because if 2.5 is dominant then that would be a good indication of a coin would it not ?.i cant speak to much cause i dont have a v3i but it sounds like a good machine .

They don't null on iron if you use an open screen with no discrim, no wonder you had problems using a CTX, you don't understand it geez........

 

[Heatho]

Coins are not frequency dependant....... Geez. Farout how many times do I have to say Geez today.............

 

[Guest]

Coins are not frequency dependant....... Geez. Farout how many times do I have to say Geez today.............

No one is making this claim.

The v3i can run 3 different frequencies simultanously. This is not multi frequency.

The 3 frequencies on the v3i each represent a colour, this colour can be changed as well to suit your needs.

In the example above the green colour in the bars represents the 2.5khz. A nice strong coin signal in most cases.

If this was an aluminium screw cap the readout would be different and so would the colour.
The colour would be the one that represents the 7.5khz.

Above is a different screen which you can see the frequency numbers that represent each colour.

The v3i has a few different screens you can use.

As Dazza has pointed out there are a few users out there that check these bars and the colours of
them especially if your just cherry picking for coins.

It is a really awesome feature.

One better would be to allow to block out the Audio of one frequency and this is what I am getting at.

Its purpose would be for those looking for coins only because with what I had found with it all the coins
popped up in the 2.5khz range. Lets say you want to detect a grass area that has maybe 250,000
people visit in a 6 month period where they pay to get into an event. Such areas do exist.

Set the detector for $1 and $2 coins and block out the Audio on the 7.5khz range and anything from the
surface to around 6" there is a huge probability it will be coins only that pop out.

I don't need to debate this with anyone. Anyone that owns a v3i can check this out and I am only talking
about Aluminium screw caps.

The change or update would only be software based as the v3i in its current format already does
its bit in reference to this.

Hope this helps.