Qld prospectors warning!

[aushunter]

Well Yob , I cant see anything in those rules that we have to stick to hand washing material.
Obviously the guy really doesn't know the and just started to flap his jaws and only crap came out instead of the truth.
Some will try to intimidate you, and others unfortunately don't have a clue.
Just a small minority will know the rules and they probably don't get out.
What is happening to our freedom, me think the rules are over the top made up from people who fancy titles and are on a power trip.
But if it comes to the crunch and old mate is right then I will be on the front line for sure.
It dose'nt say anything about the use of pumps so they can stick it up their Jatzy. getting sick of the do and don't do laws, enough is enough.
My rant for today and Yob still gotta get your way day.
Cheers
Brad.....

 

[Goldtarget]

Exactly Brad. I fail to see what they could point to to enforce you to stop or warrant an infringement. Keep digging sirs, nothing to see here.

 

[GaryO]

Im starting at the bottom locally i feel legitalising the small water pump would be beneficial to my town to help boost tourism...i would really like to see my southern brothers and sisters up here on a fossicking holiday! Imagine that!
I feel I've got too much on my plate atm for this? but something inside me says i could do this or get some ones attention.
My voice is my compassion my anger my love my fear My voice is strong! it touches peoples hearts minds and souls.
If only you would take a moment to listen...

Im not sure what u mean Yob.. are u suggesting a limit to pump size ?
I personally wouldnt go down that avenue. . Either u can pump water or you cant ... my pump is overkill but I only run it to suit my banker which is mini anyway... BUT I can run it very quietly at idle and draw from any depth or distance needed and also run several bankers if needed. Id hate to have a rule that said over 1.5hp is to big etc.

Nah mate more like "machinery" should be classed as industrial/commercial size...not a little 6hp-1.5hp hobby pump.
And yes the issue is about pumping water but you have to cover all bases...changing something like this will need evidence and probably a sacrafice.

And the ball has started to roll.... my town has a fossicking area that isnt being utilised? It should be a tourist hot spot.

I guess the solution is to class it as a mobile non fixed pump .

 

[silver]

Did he prove who he was at all" beyond reasonable doubt" ?

 

[GaryO]

Exactly Brad. I fail to see what they could point to to enforce you to stop or warrant an infringement. Keep digging sirs, nothing to see here.

Yep. Spot on GT

 

[madworld]

Haha yobskins been had by a prospector with an ipad that just wanted his secret spot .. checking permits till he found the right guy, now bingo we have him ... sucker

 

[Prospector B]

Exactly Brad. I fail to see what they could point to to enforce you to stop or warrant an infringement. Keep digging sirs, nothing to see here.

Yep. Spot on GT

I agree too. BTW you don't want to change the law because the law as I see it is not restricting you in this regard, by adding to it will only make it more complicated and add further restrictions. If you leave it as is then you will be fine, if the government is going to change the laws then fight them if they are unfair!

 

[silver]

I have a question to put to the floor, has any body been, or does anyone know someone who has been prosecuted in any way shape or form in Queensland for using a water pump in relation to fossicking with a Queensland fossicking licence.

 

[mbasko]

The Qld Fossicking Act spells out what fossicking is:

5 Meaning of fossick
(1) Fossick means
(a) search for fossicking materials in a systematic or unsystematic way
(i) on the grounds surface; or
(ii) by digging with a hand tool; or
(b) collect fossicking materials.

(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when doing something other than fossicking.

38 Use of machinery etc. prohibited
A person fossicking under a licence must not use machinery or equipment (other than a hand tool) to fossick.

By their own definition to fossick does not include processing once you have recovered the materials by allowable means. I can't see how they can say a sluice, highbanker/pump etc. contavenes their own legislation?

The only way I can see that they can stop you is:

12 Particular activities prohibited
(1) A person fossicking under a licence or camping under a permit must not, unless the person has a reasonable excuse
(c) pollute a watercourse or a receptacle used for water storage;

19 Other prohibited conduct
A person on designated fossicking land or a fossicking area must not
(b) operate a generator, engine-driven equipment, radio or other electrical appliance in a way that may unreasonably annoy someone else on the land;

Or:;

80 Authorised officer may restrict activities
(1) An authorised officer may prohibit fossicking, camping or the use of fire on designated fossicking land or a fossicking area for a stated period by notice displayed on the land if the officer considers it necessary or desirable
(a) for safety or hygiene reasons; or
(b) to allow land to be rehabilitated; or
(c) to prevent inconvenience to anyone on the land.
Examples of paragraph (c)
1 there may be too many people fossicking on the land
2 the owner may want to muster stock on the land
(2) A person must comply with a notice displayed under subsection (1), unless the person has a reasonable excuse for not complying with it.

A good post here:
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=146189#p146189
"When we look at what the intention of the legislators was when enacting the Mining Act and Reg's (NSW) and, make reference to water management and other enabling Reg's and legislation, it is seen that the intention was to stop the inland rivers, waterways and general environment and natural habitats being indiscriminately torn to pieces by people with dredge pumps and other powered apparatus."
I see this statement above by Peacekeeper1966 as relevant also to Qld's Fossicking Act & Reg's. Finding the intention in Qld's legislation may be the key to the argument up there also?

 

[yobskin]

The officer didnt have identity badge ....i had to ask his name.
He was an officer because he was very smug...condacending in his explaination/interpretation.
I have seen that post and is the basis of my plea...like i said a saccrafice is needed???

 

[yobskin]

The department of Natural Resources and Mines
Is an economic development agency that enables the productive and responsible use of our natural resources... water,land,mineral and energy resources - to generate wealth and prosperity for current and future generations of Queenslanders.

These guys have alot on there plate. The DNRM is only trying to do there job. And a big one at that. I can see how we must be a pain in there side...pesky little prospectors!! when most of the time there dealing with mass mining...great barrier reef and other farming support project and land regeneration/weed control.

They are there for us. They should be trying to work with us to generate wealth and prosperity! The two main things my town needs at the moment but is being restricted by the interpretation of the law the DNRM are trying to up hold. Thats crazy economics....

 

[XIV]

have a look through this https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5460
Lee worked on this and had a few responses
I haven't read through it for a while, and its not just on pumps
it is on highbanking, dryblowers and a few other things

I for one, am behind you
i do have a copy of the rules and regs in the car at all time, how they interpret the law and the gray areas, depends on who you get at the time

 

[yobskin]

I have read those posts previously...
The inspector didnt have a problem with the highbanker nor sluice just the motorised side of collecting water....he suggested a screw pump,hand pump,peddle pump.....he said lug in a huge drum set it up where you want to work and fill it with water using buckets open the valve and let it pass through highbanker....i replied with i cant fit a drum through your turnstiles...nor in my car? Let alone get it to where i want to fossick? He replied with well keep transporting you material to the creek and proccess it there...my reply was if i could keep my tailings close to the spot im fossicking i could return it back to its natural state before leaving and the water would be filtered through the vegatation before returning to the creek?

 

[washgravel]

Get yourselves a Mining Lease to use motor driven devices as the rest of us have too.

 

[yobskin]

Get yourselves a Mining Lease to use motor driven devices as the rest of us have too.

How much $$$$?
Hahahahahaha have you worked out how to use a metal detector yet?

 

[washgravel]

How much $$$$?

That depends on the area you want to peg so do your homework on the Mines Dept site.

HaHaHa only been using one for 25 years how about yourself.

 

[yobskin]

How much $$$$?

That depends on the area you want to peg so do your homework on the Mines Dept site.

HaHaHa only been using one for 25 years how about yourself.

Thats the spirit mate....i want you to share? your knowledge and experience is needed here? Be a mate and tell us?

 

[washgravel]

How much $$$$?

That depends on the area you want to peg so do your homework on the Mines Dept site.

HaHaHa only been using one for 25 years how about yourself.

Thats the spirit mate....i want you to share? your knowledge and experience is needed here? Be a mate and tell us?

No use arguing with you, as I said, do your homework and get a Mining Lease.

 

[GaryO]

Who was arguing ?. Did I miss something.

 

[Jaros]

Calm down washgravel, no one was arguing. Please read "that" post again...