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Filthyphil said:
Yes gravity is different on the moon v earth because of the relevant mass of each body and yes height above the surface reduces the effect of gravity, what I was eluding to is that gravity is evident without mass, and that's fact not crap and the earth's magnetic field and the effects of electrical resistance are probably more relevant than gravity?
It is more likely that divining is governed by the laws of electromagnetism rather than the laws of gravity, but that's just my humble opinion.

What planet are you on?

Yes gravity is evident without mass in outer space but as soon as a mass falls within a gravitational field be it the earth, moon, Saturn or pluto, that mass then has a weight and is attracted to the masses causing the gravity field.
We are talking about detecting planet earth.
Please return soon.
 
Devonian; thanks for that, very interesting. You did`nt answer my question, are you an aussie? I guess what i mostly want to know is , do you divine in area`s were the old timers dug i.e 12-15 foot shafts?, and something someone else asked, what`s the smallest gold you`ve ever found with this method? and when you reach the 'bottom' do you proceed to tunnel or just get your detector in the hole and take what you can find?,What`s been your most successful take from one hole?
Even though my health is`nt the best i`m not a cripple and digging at a slow pace i could still do this, any area`s you could suggest.? I`ve read up on alot of the old diggings and they mention that a fair few holes were dug down to 12 feet, but having been on a few different goldfields in vic only , i never actually came across any of these deeper shafts, looking in the wrong spot perhaps or now could be on private land?
But there is also the problem of not actually being allowed to do this in vic unless you have some kind of permit, i have`nt really looked into it properly, there`s just never enough time.
I think God duped us here,36 hour day and 12 night would of been more appropiate, then we could actually achieve everything we set out to achieve in this life. I know alot of people scoff at the idea of a god, and i understand there arguments,but that`s for a different forum and we`ll leave it at that!!
 
Devonian, i forgot something, If say the area you want to divine in, has a lot of junk on the surface or as we know horse shoes down to 3 feet ( as i recently found out) how would you go about this? There could be a lot of digging for nothing,or thinking about it now, detect the area first?. Have you dug any holes and been tricked, possibly because there was junk close to the surface and the divining rods signalled over that?
I`m not trying to be smart here, figured out a way to discriminate with the rods?
 
ironrock said:
Devonian; thanks for that, very interesting. You did`nt answer my question, are you an aussie? I guess what i mostly want to know is , do you divine in area`s were the old timers dug i.e 12-15 foot shafts?, and something someone else asked, what`s the smallest gold you`ve ever found with this method? and when you reach the 'bottom' do you proceed to tunnel or just get your detector in the hole and take what you can find?,What`s been your most successful take from one hole?
Even though my health is`nt the best i`m not a cripple and digging at a slow pace i could still do this, any area`s you could suggest.? I`ve read up on alot of the old diggings and they mention that a fair few holes were dug down to 12 feet, but having been on a few different goldfields in vic only , i never actually came across any of these deeper shafts, looking in the wrong spot perhaps or now could be on private land?
But there is also the problem of not actually being allowed to do this in vic unless you have some kind of permit, i have`nt really looked into it properly, there`s just never enough time.
I think God duped us here,36 hour day and 12 night would of been more appropiate, then we could actually achieve everything we set out to achieve in this life. I know alot of people scoff at the idea of a god, and i understand there arguments,but that`s for a different forum and we`ll leave it at that!!

Yeh mate I'm an Aussie born in Melbourne and family going back generations to the Ballarat and Bendigo. My great grand parents actually owned a pub in Bendigo during the rush, complete with gold scales on the bar for the miners to buy a drink and pay with gold. Yes, I work a known area, this is Victoria and there's been shafts put down everywhere so hard to find a spot that hasn't been mined. But, in saying that think about this, an old claim was usually 8x8 or 12x12 ft depending on the soil. And if a party of 9 men made a company they could take up an area 3 claims x 3 claims. To get to the pay dirt a quick vertical shaft went down in the middle of each claim, only wide and long enough to get a bucket, pick and shovel down, usually as wide as you stand and as long as you can lean forward. This goes to bedrock and the clays got taken out and sent to a local puddler and or river for washing. Depending on the soil you can either put in drive shafts between the vertical shafts or if the ground is a bit dodgy the bottom sides of the vertical shaft get cut out only. This depends on the soils, if it's just clay don't go in far, but conglomerate is normally ok to drive through (that stuff sets like cement in summer) In between these claims are what's called pillars and have never been touched.
To work a claim used to take at least 4 people, one to dig, one on top of the shaft working the winch, one to cart and one to wash/puddle.
I am by myself which makes it hard but increases profit. I dig only with a pick and shovel (tried a generator & jack hammer once), have a ladder (tried a rope ladder but too much swing so made a solid one)and I use small buckets from left over building sites (don't break your back with big buckets). I then wash the clay with a drill and paint mixer before putting it through a solar powered concentrating hibanker.

I don't divine a single piece of gold, rather divine the area for a concentration of charge in the clays. This could be a large nugget or it could be lots of small specks. I don't know until I get the wash dirt out and process it. I will say though that I wash the dirt twice and very thoroughly and go down to a 1/4 pin head size specks. All my black sands and other concentrates are also kept for later refinement.

I don't discuss how much I get or my biggest nuggets but gave up a mining job to do it, nor do I post pics after finding out most pics have a tag showing the location and date.

The shafts you see on the fields today were deep when built, but the wood holding the discarded dirt from the top has rotted and fallen in.

Another tip that I found with divining is with finding the depth to target. For this I use a spring rod and while holding it out I count to myself 10cm..20cm...30cm etc
As I explained the charge of your body fluctuates with heartbeat and you can speed up or lower your heartbeat. When you count to the depth a strange thing happens and your bodies charge reflects back from the charge below causing the rod to flicker. Tip - the distance is from the rod tip not ground level. Known as positive feedback it's like placing a microphone next to a speaker.

Divining - meaning to be inspired by God :)
 
Thanks for sharing that info with us Devonian, as I said b4 I am sceptical but I like to try to keep an open mind. I know a lot of water has been found over the years but have also heard of a lot of fails to. One of those things I guess ya have to try for yourself. Do you get any false signals, like water or junk?
 
Jimst said:
Divining - ever thought about taking the Australian Skeptics $100,000 challenge?

Yeh but heard it's a scam. One thing I can see for a start is finding direction. These tests are in a small field with the water being pumped by artificial means, unlike a natural stream that travels to the ocean.
 
I know a bloke in the gemfields who says he uses diving rods to find the Paleo drainage channels to find concentrated Sapphire wash, he's ptretty fair dinkum about it. I'm a bit of a sceptic also but never 100% discount something until I can prove something wrong. I reckon digging deep enough on the Sapphire fields and you could potentially find Sapphs anywhere.......
 
Chewy said:
Thanks for sharing that info with us Devonian, as I said b4 I am sceptical but I like to try to keep an open mind. I know a lot of water has been found over the years but have also heard of a lot of fails to. One of those things I guess ya have to try for yourself. Do you get any false signals, like water or junk?

1439884123_water_molecule.png


This is what a water molecule looks like. If you attach heaps together ( +ve to -ve )you eventually get what looks like a vertical battery. Divining into water is a bit like detecting through a sheet of iron. I don't get false signals as I divine virgin deep soil. If you were to use divining while detecting I would suggest just like normal detecting and clear any junk out of the area, stop have a beer then repeat the process. I used to get a lot of false signal when first learning. This stuff was apparently some semi precious stone, oh and bullets.
 
But don't stop too often for too many beers hey Devonian? Unless you're happy sleeping the arvo away :lol: :lol:
 
Heatho said:
I know a bloke in the gemfields who says he uses diving rods to find the Paleo drainage channels to find concentrated Sapphire wash, he's ptretty fair dinkum about it. I'm a bit of a sceptic also but never 100% discount something until I can prove something wrong. I reckon digging deep enough on the Sapphire fields and you could potentially find Sapphs anywhere.......

I like that idea! Makes very good sense to me. You would probably have a fair bit of nickel in with the sapphires that would have a very detectable charge.
I know a sapphire spot will have to try it out. Thanks :)
 
No worries Devonian, not sure about Nickel, I think Sapphire deposits seem to be more related to Tin (Cassiterite) and Aluminium (Bauxite), Ilmenite and Spinel Group minerals such as Magnetite. Sapphire is Aluminium Oxide.
 
Heatho said:
No worries Devonian, not sure about Nickel, I think Sapphire deposits seem to be more related to Tin (Cassiterite) and Aluminium (Bauxite), Ilmenite and Spinel Group minerals such as Magnetite. Sapphire is Aluminium Oxide.

Your right, not sure what I was thinking of, probably tin. The tin and magnetite would definitely move the rods. Not sure how divining bauxite would go
 
Devonian said:
Chewy said:
Thanks for sharing that info with us Devonian, as I said b4 I am sceptical but I like to try to keep an open mind. I know a lot of water has been found over the years but have also heard of a lot of fails to. One of those things I guess ya have to try for yourself. Do you get any false signals, like water or junk?

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/img/member-images/5866/1439884123_water_molecule.png

This is what a water molecule looks like. If you attach heaps together ( +ve to -ve )you eventually get what looks like a vertical battery. Divining into water is a bit like detecting through a sheet of iron. I don't get false signals as I divine virgin deep soil. If you were to use divining while detecting I would suggest just like normal detecting and clear any junk out of the area, stop have a beer then repeat the process. I used to get a lot of false signal when first learning. This stuff was apparently some semi precious stone, oh and bullets.

I don't know where you got your info from but you won't get a battery as water molecules have no net charge, the molecular bonding will reach eqilibrium and molecules do not act like additive battery cells.
Jon
 
blisters said:
Devonian said:
Chewy said:
Thanks for sharing that info with us Devonian, as I said b4 I am sceptical but I like to try to keep an open mind. I know a lot of water has been found over the years but have also heard of a lot of fails to. One of those things I guess ya have to try for yourself. Do you get any false signals, like water or junk?

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/img/member-images/5866/1439884123_water_molecule.png

This is what a water molecule looks like. If you attach heaps together ( +ve to -ve )you eventually get what looks like a vertical battery. Divining into water is a bit like detecting through a sheet of iron. I don't get false signals as I divine virgin deep soil. If you were to use divining while detecting I would suggest just like normal detecting and clear any junk out of the area, stop have a beer then repeat the process. I used to get a lot of false signal when first learning. This stuff was apparently some semi precious stone, oh and bullets.

I don't know where you got your info from but you won't get a battery as water molecules have no net charge, the molecular bonding will reach eqilibrium and molecules do not act like additive battery cells.
Jon

Not sure where you get your info from either but if you stand under an apple tree for long enough eventually an apple will drop on your head.

Ahh.. someone call safety, he's bound to try it.
 
My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon
 
Devonian said:
Not sure where you get your info from either but if you stand under an apple tree for long enough eventually an apple will drop on your head.

Ahh.. someone call safety, he's bound to try it.
And there lies my theory on why divining works for some.
If you wave some rods around a goldfield or above a water table long enough the law of averages says that a certain percentage of the diviners "finds" will produce something.
Why don't water diviners with a drilling business offer money back guarantees? Mate had a diviner identify 3 x "sure things" only to pay thousands in drilling costs for not one drop of water. No doubt there'll be an excuse :rolleyes:
Like clairvoyants they should all be filthy rich but they keep telling me it doesn't work like that :lol:
 
blisters said:
My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A
 
SCROUNGER said:
But don't stop too often for too many beers hey Devonian? Unless you're happy sleeping the arvo away :lol: :lol:

Ahh yes not too many, but it does boost the spirit of prospecting, and should only be refreshing home brew. My latest summer drink "rhubarb beer" is posted in general chat/today I cooked. Try it, it's quite refreshing.
 
blisters said:
My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon

You could also read here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

Big "G" as it is known is the overall gravitational pull of the earth. Similar but not to be confused with little "g" caused by WEAK forces or beta particles that are just electrons. A manifestation of electrons causes a net charge as seen when a cloud produces lightning.

Also try drawing a sideways view of water molecules connected together like a family tree on a piece of paper and place delta -ve and delta +ve at the corresponding tops and bottoms.

If the apple hasn't dropped yet try this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvkGpxc9ac0
 

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