Actual depth possible

[RedDirtDigger]

RDD , I`m coming on strong because i want to know the truth? Yeah that`s right turn it back on to me, it`s all my fault that you all believe without proof, you said you`ve dug a few holes near on 4 feet, it still dose`nt prove that it`s a deeper machine than the SD series, i`m talking true maximum depth, i did say that the GPZ has probable better timings on the small gold, which judging by the finds is proving my theory correct.
Ridgerunner said he dug 6 feet on a large target, and he said the machine was`nt maxed out with it`s gain, so probably could have picked this target up at greater depth,which in turn would of surpassed the theoretical maximum depth as discussed before , going by the size of the coil he was using.
I want to know what is the true depth of these machines, so as to make a decision, am i going to chase flyshit or nonexistant large nuggets at great depth which if these machines are capable of going beyond 3 metres, would have been found by now, considering the amount of coils that have passed over the ground at least in vic.
It`s funny how a few of you have turned this around to be about me, and whether i can afford a GPZ, you know what; it`s none of you`re damn bis, got it!
This is about the title of this post, which none of you have so far been able to offer a satisfactory answer to, if you have nothing to offer about this post why even comment.

Sorry Iron rock is was not having a go at you at all. Can't actually work out how I did. I thought you wanted to know the true depth of the machines so you could make a decision (as you said). The advice I wrote about what model was written for all members reading the thread, not you in particular.
My point was that theoretical depth has nothing to do with the actual depth of detecting a target in the ground. Many people would know that air testing of early Minelab models gave amazing results with large targets being detected at distances of 12 feet and more using large homemade coils about 1 metre in diameter (if my memory is right.). Bottom line is that I have owned nearly all the Minelab models and I believe the 7000 gives the best actual depth on deep big gold in the moderate to hot ground found in many goldfields in Australia

 

[Heatho]

The way I test depth is by waving my coil over a target of known size such as a 375ml coke can and even then it depends on which coil and timing is used. There is no real exact answer to your question Ironrock, there are way too many variables. As RDD has just pointed out though the GPZ is designed to be the best gold detector with the deepest target detection possible.

How big is an Elephant exactly???

 

[GypsyGoldAu]

G'day ironrock... just to provide you a little more info. here.

The GPZ does NOT emphatically pronounce it is 40% better overall (ie; there is NO blanket statement of that claim). Please re-read ALL the promo info. now available on the net more carefully so as to COMPREHEND it, it is there in Black & White what it is "possible" of, where and why.

You appear to cast aspersions on commentators here about believing what they read, yet in the same thread YOU have provided information from "scam" sites and bunkum products as the parallel to which ALL detectors should perform or be gauged against.

The fact that this new machine is only 6 months old belies the fact of the said "missing" deep find claims you seek & it's full potential, it just hasn't had the time for ALL scenario's to have occurred as yet to read/hear of exceptional finds in the ranges you seem to have expectations of it performing. Had you possibly considered that those that are digging hugely deep holes are wanting to protect their finds & therefore NOT commenting????. It is food for thought imo.

Additionally, you have been educated by members here to the varying depths & conditions of where large gold is found (take the Welcome Stranger & The Hand of Faith as examples) and you will understand "most" alluvial (and this is what most of us chase) gold is within the 3-5' depth, unless you go deep lead hunting for which you'd need either an excavator or bulldozer to access anyway.

When doing your due diligence research as you allude to doing, and appear to allude others don't, do some background research on the author of said information while your at it before making claims that are mirrored from dubious sources or products, and you will be better armed to make your final decision.

I will finish with this gem.... IF....., there were a better detector currently available, then i am certain without a single grain of doubt, that the "professional" operators on here and other related forums would be using it, but they are NOT, and for good reason...Minelab got it right and the others are just following their footsteps.

Not trying to be argumentative, but your combined posts do smack of contradiction & hypocrisy. It may well not have been your intent, yet that is how it reads fwiw.

Regards
GGA

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[Ridge Runner]

G'day ironrock... just to provide you a little more info. here.

The GPZ does NOT emphatically pronounce it is 40% better overall (ie; there is NO blanket statement of that claim). Please re-read ALL the promo info. now available on the net more carefully so as to COMPREHEND it, it is there in Black & White what it is "possible" of, where and why.

You appear to cast aspersions on commentators here about believing what they read, yet in the same thread YOU have provided information from "scam" sites and bunkum products as the parallel to which ALL detectors should perform or be gauged against.

The fact that this new machine is only 6 months old belies the fact of the said "missing" deep find claims you seek & it's full potential, it just hasn't had the time for ALL scenario's to have occurred as yet to read/hear of exceptional finds in the ranges you seem to have expectations of it performing. Had you possibly considered that those that are digging hugely deep holes are wanting to protect their finds & therefore NOT commenting????. It is food for thought imo.

Additionally, you have been educated by members here to the varying depths & conditions of where large gold is found (take the Welcome Stranger & The Hand of Faith as examples) and you will understand "most" alluvial (and this is what most of us chase) gold is within the 3-5' depth, unless you go deep lead hunting for which you'd need either an excavator or bulldozer to access anyway.

When doing your due diligence research as you allude to doing, and appear to allude others don't, do some background research on the author of said information while your at it before making claims that are mirrored from dubious sources or products, and you will be better armed to make your final decision.

I will finish with this gem.... IF....., there were a better detector currently available, then i am certain without a single grain of doubt, that the "professional" operators on here and other related forums would be using it, but they are NOT, and for good reason...Minelab got it right and the others are just following their footsteps.

Not trying to be argumentative, but your combined posts do smack of contradiction & hypocrisy. It may well not have been your intent, yet that is how it reads fwiw.

Regards
GGA

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I'm Not Feeling The Love Here,,,lol

Always with the Negative Waves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ

 

[GypsyGoldAu]

Funny you mention it RR, i wasn't from their post either and was only highlighting what i read as the lack of information and how i saw their response to useful info. that was contrary to what they were looking for.

No malice intended, just providing info. and if the Mods wish me to modify then i will remove completely.

I haven't worked out yet how to multi quote here and there was much more to say but i decided to utilize a synopsis instead.

Using your posts as reference has no correlation to our soils here in Oz is one instance of mis-information iron rock used and if queried, i will provide the other instances of (contradiction & hypocrisy).

I have no barrow to push so to speak, nor am i one to try & polish a turd.... it's late here and perhaps the lack of emoticons have slanted my response.

It wasn't my intent as noted at the end of the post. (you will also note my use of; alluded, implied, appear......no direct accusations other than "my" perception of what iron rock wrote...fwiw).

Regards
Gypsy

 

[Ridge Runner]

Funny you mention it RR, i wasn't from their post either and was only highlighting what i read as the lack of information and how i saw their response to useful info. that was contrary to what they were looking for.

No malice intended, just providing info. and if the Mods wish me to modify then i will remove completely.

I haven't worked out yet how to multi quote here and there was much more to say but i decided to utilize a synopsis instead.

Using your posts as reference has no correlation to our soils here in Oz is one instance of mis-information iron rock used and if queried, i will provide the other instances of (contradiction & hypocrisy).

I have no barrow to push so to speak.... it's late and perhaps the lack of emoticons have slanted my response.

It wasn't my intent as noted at the end of the post. (you will also note my use of; alluded, implied, appear......no direct accusations other than "my" perception of what iron rock wrote...fwiw).

Regards
Gypsy

What you don't know Is I am Australian, and I do use my detectors Back home as I have been back and forth 8 times or more so far, So my posts do Correlate to the Soils, I did not just start detecting over here for something to fill in my time, So I am lucky enough to use my machines In soils that are one extreme to the Other, Oh and the Finds are Great Too,

Forgive Ironrock for his Lack of Knowledge But that is why he has come here so he can learn something, It would be such a shame to Shoot down A young member with an Inquiring Mind just because of his lack of Tact, wouldn't it.

 

[GypsyGoldAu]

......nuff said then.

 

[Ridge Runner]

......nuff said then.

One thing I have noticed is the Clay over her goes from a yellowish sand colour to a slate Grey and the Grey stuff is loaded with black sand and in some areas it smells like rotten eggs, In some areas you can have 5 or 6 inches of normal Black soil then 40 feet or more of wet sticky Clay, It is murder on VLFs because of it's density, PI's are fairly good on it,
They do have some wild dirt over here But not quite as bad as the Red stuff out in the Middle back home,

john

 

[Ridge Runner]

The way I test depth is by waving my coil over a target of known size such as a 375ml coke can and even then it depends on which coil and timing is used. There is no real exact answer to your question Ironrock, there are way too many variables. As RDD has just pointed out though the GPZ is designed to be the best gold detector with the deepest target detection possible.

How big is an Elephant exactly???

That test will work better if it's VB un opened and chilled just the way I like it, Call me when your ready to do the Test, lol

 

[ironrock]

First of all, i have not been completely 'educated' as you put it on this forum, i have read books on prospecting and i have visited at least 5 different goldfield`s, so i am not a complete newbie, nor am i an expert in prospecting, but i do know about how deep most large nuggets are found and i know where about`s on the lead they were found, i have experienced highly mineralised ground & not so , i have experienced red/yellow clay domes, charcoal and many other things that relate to prospecting, so dont talk down to me mr gypsy or what ever your bloomin name is.
Admittingly; i have jumped the gun on the GPZ7000 as it is early days, and being new tech, that fact alone should mean that it`s a better machine than it`s predecessors, this original post should of been about all minelab models after the SD series (GP , GPX models)as i dont believe that these machines go deeper and i`ll now explain why. 4 weeks ago i went to vic and managed to get about 2 and half days detecting in, and this was mostly over old mullock heaps, on 2 occasions i received strong signals directly over a mullock heap and proceeding to dig 1 target around 2 feet and the other at around 2 and half feet ,both targets turned out to be horse shoes and i was using my SD2000d. These mullock heaps would of seen at least 50-200 coils pass over them in the last 15 years or so with the newer minelab`s, how is it that no one found these targets, i say it`s because those machines did not have the depth capabilities of the SD`s, what other explanation could it be?

 

[Devonian]

The deepest nugget found by a detector that i`ve read about, was a 90 ounce nugget found in W.A. around 15-20 years ago using an SD2000 and was found at a depth of 4 feet.
Now, i was surfing the internet and i stumbled upon a website that shows you how to build a pulse induction machine, and it was mentioned that (the theoretical maximum a detector can scan is 5 TIMES the width of the coil). So a 11 inch coil should be able to detect at 55 inches and that would be on a large target as it did mention that the theoretical minimum target the coil could detect is 5% of the width of the coil.
This person seemed to know what he was talking about, and is most likely an electrical engineer of some kind.
Now, this has got me wondering, are`nt all top end pulse machines the same with the amount of power they use, if so then the new GPX7000 probably dose`nt go any deeper than the SD series of machines, i`m probably simplifying things here, as the problem is probably a lot more complex than this,maybe someone on this forum has an electrical background and could enlighten us a bit more about this?
And going further, in history from what i have read, the largest nuggets ever found were within 2 feet of the surface or they were => 12 feet below the surface, so in vic from what i`ve seen of the diggings, is the majority of all gravel layers are within <= 4 feet of the surface, so deducing from this info, i would say that if there is any large nuggets left to find then they are => 8 feet below the surface - out of reach of any current detectors.
If you look on the internet, you will find detectors made overseas that claim to be able to reach 10 metres in depth, but use 3D imaging which in turn shows an object such as gold in a red color, and also gives an accurate depth reading and they also claim can do accurate discrimination.
If any of you know of deep ground were you believe there is probably large nuggets residing and you are cashed up, why not look into this, the next "Welcome Stranger" could be waiting just for you?

There are easy and cheap ways of detecting at depth, one main problem is distinguishing between a large nugget and lots of small pieces, and, have you ever tried to dig 10 meter shafts? I go 4-5 meters and It's bloody hard work!
A cheap way of detecting at long distances is to divine. This topic usually brings out hundreds of sceptical replies of BS..BS..BS. As an electronics engineer I tried to discuss the topic of divining on a US forum and was bombarded with replies of BS..BS..BS.. from other engineers including the site admin which was extremely frustrating, until I actually gave scientific proof of how it works. Not long after I posted the site ceased and a book was made with a chapter on how divining works.
You don't have to be cashed up, just fit enough to dig deep and/or own a D10 dozer. :/

 

[scottlucky]

A good discussion
This may give the 6 foot grave digging cable man some solice.
Few weeks ago we were getting a good signal from a rock. Different from all of its neighbours.
Got the son on the shovel and moved the rock 1 1/2 foot plus around 6" thick and out it came.
Did the wave again, still in the hole, boys getting excited ( me included ) dig out another rock only to find a miners shovel that they must have broken whilst poking under the rock in 1870.
Impressed with the 5000.
Still waiting on the Carma God to smile.

 

[GypsyGoldAu]

Iron rock.... i was intending to stay out of this discussion after my last post (...nuff said then.,.. as i recall, after being duely chastised by RR) until you responded personally to me, so here is my response.

If you were to take time to re-read your own posts.... but imagine it is someone else's name accredited to them,...... you would easily see my point of view...ie; contradictory & hypocritical, ...as i did and responded about it, again it wasn't personal like you have done in your last post, and i did not 'talk down to you', just highlighted the discrepancy of your post.

In regards to your recent goldfields experience i will say this...

Just because you "dug" the target you heard, isn't to say that the 50-200 (your figures not mine) other operators didn't hear it. That is presumptuous and most likely a fallacy. Could it be the previous operators had "knowledge" of their machines and are confident in what the detectors were telling them via the response be a factor????? Did you even consider THIS as a possibility???

In reality.. "most" SD & GP (and even GPX in some cases i'm sure) operators in the GT got in the habit of using (on average) a Coiltek, NF or Commando DD coils and using discriminate on the Vic. highly mineralized Goldfields. The targets may very well have been heard, discriminated, and the operator chose to walk on leaving the "trashy" signal behind.

Do those type of operators leave Gold...i'm sure they do and is why Gold is continually found on "flogged" ground, just as much as new technology is helpful in the "hearing" of these new targets "through" the mineralization.

Be aware, you could have the best technology and deepest seeking machine that goes 10' deep, but it will ALWAYS in the end come down to the decision of the 'operator' as to the outcome, not always necessarily the capability of the detector used.

You yourself admitted....."Admittingly; i have jumped the gun on the GPZ7000 as it is early days, and being new tech....etc" which is a direct reflection of what i wrote....????? so i am having trouble understanding your accusations against me and the need to become personal in your response..ie; "mr gypsy or what ever your bloomin name is."

Just because you can't or don't understand or believe it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and others are taking benefit of it.

Good Luck in your ventures wherever they take you mate, but rest assured i am now done with this thread.....nuff said then. :/

Gypsy

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[Ridge Runner]

I don't know but it is like the Place I found 3 lots of Gold In an Area that was a Major Companies Test Site with My VLF Machine, They had used the place since 1968 yet I got the Gold, SWEEEEET. lol

Another thing EMI can make a difference because if its high one day and low the next, When its low you can Crank up the Gain and if the soil is just right then you get the Depth, PI machines have Brutal Power and when the Conditions are just right along with the settings They will go way deeper than you could ever dream of Even more So with ML machines,
I have Dug Horse Shoes at 2 ft with a VLF and Cursed it while I had to fill the hole back in,lol

John

 

[ironrock]

Devonian, believe it or not, i have tried divining, and that was about 20 years ago, but not on the gold fields, and you know what, it does work, at least to an extent, when ever the wires crossed i would look down and what do you know, there would be some kind of metallic object there, bottle top, can tab.
You say you dig 4-5 metre holes, are these holes you found while divining? if so, what kind of success rate are you having?
I stuffed my lungs up with the ciggs, mate i`m the type of bloke that would dig up a mountain if i knew i had a couple 100 ounces waiting for me, but there`s no one to blame but my self, i could of stopped but i chose not to, so i`ve got to live with it.
Do you dig in australia?, this is really interesting to me.I would like to know as much as possible regarding this, dont hesitate to reply mate!!

Gypsy, talk down to me , yes you did, i never said i believed in the claims of these overseas companies, are you for real, who the hell can discriminate with such confidence, and 50/200 people all have the same amount of confidence, and that`s a realistic number by the way, that must be some good stuff your smoking.
If people are diggin 100 ounce nuggets and keeping it quite, something that big is getting very rare indeed, and most people would sell it fairly quickly i`d imagine, so it would get out into the media and we would hear about it, so you are dribbling, care to wipe your mouth?

 

[Ridge Runner]

Devonian, believe it or not, i have tried divining, and that was about 20 years ago, but not on the gold fields, and you know what, it does work, at least to an extent, when ever the wires crossed i would look down and what do you know, there would be some kind of metallic object there, bottle top, can tab.
You say you dig 4-5 metre holes, are these holes you found while divining? if so, what kind of success rate are you having?
I stuffed my lungs up with the ciggs, mate i`m the type of bloke that would dig up a mountain if i knew i had a couple 100 ounces waiting for me, but there`s no one to blame but my self, i could of stopped but i chose not to, so i`ve got to live with it.
Do you dig in australia?, this is really interesting to me.I would like to know as much as possible regarding this, dont hesitate to reply mate!!

Gypsy, talk down to me , yes you did, i never said i believed in the claims of these overseas companies, are you for real, who the hell can discriminate with such confidence, and 50/200 people all have the same amount of confidence, and that`s a realistic number by the way, that must be some good stuff your smoking.
If people are diggin 100 ounce nuggets and keeping it quite, something that big is getting very rare indeed, and most people would sell it fairly quickly i`d imagine, so it would get out into the media and we would hear about it, so you are dribbling, care to wipe your mouth?

Mate, We need to leave the personal stuff out of this Or we cant take it any further, If you want to give Each Other a good Bitch Slappin, lol ,,,,,,,Use the PM system,

You both have Valid points to share here but not the cheap shots at each other, Ok

GROUP HUG

John

 

[Chewy]

 

[Goldpick]

Time to chill guys and get back on topic. Any more negative posts that do not contribute to the topic will be deleted from here on in, cheers.

 

[Devonian]

Devonian, believe it or not, i have tried divining, and that was about 20 years ago, but not on the gold fields, and you know what, it does work, at least to an extent, when ever the wires crossed i would look down and what do you know, there would be some kind of metallic object there, bottle top, can tab.
You say you dig 4-5 metre holes, are these holes you found while divining? if so, what kind of success rate are you having?
I stuffed my lungs up with the ciggs, mate i`m the type of bloke that would dig up a mountain if i knew i had a couple 100 ounces waiting for me, but there`s no one to blame but my self, i could of stopped but i chose not to, so i`ve got to live with it.
Do you dig in australia?, this is really interesting to me.I would like to know as much as possible regarding this, dont hesitate to reply mate!!

Gypsy, talk down to me , yes you did, i never said i believed in the claims of these overseas companies, are you for real, who the hell can discriminate with such confidence, and 50/200 people all have the same amount of confidence, and that`s a realistic number by the way, that must be some good stuff your smoking.
If people are diggin 100 ounce nuggets and keeping it quite, something that big is getting very rare indeed, and most people would sell it fairly quickly i`d imagine, so it would get out into the media and we would hear about it, so you are dribbling, care to wipe your mouth?

Yes I divine a spot and then dig down to the pipe clay level where the gold is. Even after the gold rush there's still heaps left. I've refined my ways over the years to make it easier on myself and more profitable. Divining just uses static charge. Anything with a mass has a mass to charge ratio meaning the more the mass the more the charge. Your body has a mass therefor it holds a charge. The earth also has a mass and also holds a charge. Some people say opposite charges attract -><+ but think of it like this, between negative 10 and positive 100 is a difference of 110, and between positive 10 and positive 120 is still a difference of 110. Now think of your body being the positive 10 and the earth is the +ve120. your body mass is attract to the earth due to the difference in charge. The more the mass something has the more the charge and a big mass attracts other mass. Look at the moon for example, it's attracted to the earth but due to it's spin it doesn't fall into the earth and sits in orbit attracting the oceans back to it's own mass and causes tides. When you walk over an underground stream for example the L rods cross as this is the path of least resistance for the charge of your body to try and discharge to. The mass of a mountain stream flows to the ocean because the ocean has a bigger mass. Gold thankfully has a very good density or the amount of mass per area of space and sticks out like dogs balls if you can divine it. Another interesting point is that your bodies mass fluctuates a touch with your heartbeat (ECG) If you use a single wire divining rod with a bit of a coil in it to give it spring and then hold it out steady, it may take 30 seconds to stop wabbling about but eventually you should be able to see the tip move at your heartbeat rate towards other charges around you. A bit like a compass/sonar. There's an insight for you, I could go on more but there's a lot of religious stuff involved with divining and it usually fires people up.

This is one of the bradshaw paintings in WA estimated at around 30,000 years old. What do you think they are doing?

 

[user 4485]

Trying to get the $100,000 prize for proving divining works?