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[SCROUNGER]

You could well be correct mbasko regards what you say mate. All i know is that it used to work for me and another bloke when i was working in a park and we needed to locate water pipes that weren't mapped. Other than that i don't have an opinion of why it worked or if it would work elsewhere. But it did work in those circumstances.

 

[KarlS]

Yep it's gravity and what causes gravity? Mass charges. The earth has an overall mass that when combined gives us the earths gravity. This gravity effect on mass produces weight. The moon on the other hand does not have as much total mass and therefor not as much overall gravity. So an ounce of gold on earth only weighs 0.83oz on the moon.

This is incorrect. 1 oz of gold weighted on the Earth would weight about 0.167 oz on the Moon.
Karl

 

[blisters]

My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon

You could also read here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

Big "G" as it is known is the overall gravitational pull of the earth. Similar but not to be confused with little "g" caused by WEAK forces or beta particles that are just electrons. A manifestation of electrons causes a net charge as seen when a cloud produces lightning.

Also try drawing a sideways view of water molecules connected together like a family tree on a piece of paper and place delta -ve and delta +ve at the corresponding tops and bottoms.

If the apple hasn't dropped yet try this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvkGpxc9ac0

Again all totally irrelevant responses. The apple as you call it dropped on 17 August when you said you were an electrical engineer. It's been fun, thanks T. :lol:

Jon

 

[Devonian]

My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon

You could also read here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity

Big "G" as it is known is the overall gravitational pull of the earth. Similar but not to be confused with little "g" caused by WEAK forces or beta particles that are just electrons. A manifestation of electrons causes a net charge as seen when a cloud produces lightning.

Also try drawing a sideways view of water molecules connected together like a family tree on a piece of paper and place delta -ve and delta +ve at the corresponding tops and bottoms.

If the apple hasn't dropped yet try this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvkGpxc9ac0

Again all totally irrelevant responses. The apple as you call it dropped on 17 August when you said you were an electrical engineer. It's been fun, thanks T. :lol:

Jon

o.k You've got me stumped?? The reference is in a cloud producing lightning as stated above. If you don't believe it causes a battery try flying a kite by a thin metal wire next time there's a lightning storm.

AHH.. Someone call safety again.

 

[Guest]

watched a dowser/diviner at the local caravan park we are working at poking his nose in while we were 'hunting' unmapped water pipes to put in the new CFA regulation fire-hoses and water pipes. success rate - 0%. excuse? there must be a lot of underground water. hmmmmm.

 

[jamie]

I worked with a bloke that was a water diviner on the side, at first i laughed and made jokes about witch craft and rain dancing etc but i sat in the car and watched him walk back and forth, round and round, up and down etc, he finally settled on a spot and told the land owner to dig here, we called back into the property some weeks later and they couldn't have been more thankful, he told them where, they done it and there was water in their new well, luck maybe but i think for a few there is something more to it and truth be told i wouldn't mind learning about it and at least giving it a try

 

[Ramjet]

My info is derived from physics and chemistry. Zero net charge and equilibrium are well known proven concepts. I gave my reasoning as to why no battery could exist, what part of what I said are you saying is incorrect?

I am always keen to learn, can you explain your reasoning as to how a battery is created by alignment of water molecules and direct me to a supporting reference?
Jon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A

AAhh youtube. The world renowned repository of scientific fact. :|

 

[Ramjet]

Interesting reading people. But can we please stick to the topic at hand and cut out the little digs at each other? It's not helpful and will get you in trouble. Thank you.

 

[Devonian]

I worked with a bloke that was a water diviner on the side, at first i laughed and made jokes about witch craft and rain dancing etc but i sat in the car and watched him walk back and forth, round and round, up and down etc, he finally settled on a spot and told the land owner to dig here, we called back into the property some weeks later and they couldn't have been more thankful, he told them where, they done it and there was water in their new well, luck maybe but i think for a few there is something more to it and truth be told i wouldn't mind learning about it and at least giving it a try

Why not give it a try? For the cost of two coat hangers or an old piece of fencing wire. I wish someone had shown me years ago when I started detecting. I now think of all the area I covered swinging the detector and wonder how better off I could have been if had known about divining back then.
It's been known of by miners for a long time.

 

[Ramjet]

I'm too sceptical. I think divining is hogwash. I guess I need proof. I know a miner at Coober Pedy and he swears by it.

 

[Devonian]

For anyone thinking that water cant become charged like a battery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK5c60nBHQ

[video=480,360]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK5c60nBHQ[/video]

 

[user 4485]

I worked with a bloke that was a water diviner on the side, at first i laughed and made jokes about witch craft and rain dancing etc but i sat in the car and watched him walk back and forth, round and round, up and down etc, he finally settled on a spot and told the land owner to dig here, we called back into the property some weeks later and they couldn't have been more thankful, he told them where, they done it and there was water in their new well, luck maybe but i think for a few there is something more to it and truth be told i wouldn't mind learning about it and at least giving it a try

I don't doubt there are successful "diviners" to some degree. I just think there is more to it than waving rods about - whether they do it subsconciously or even consciously most would be pretty good readers of ground, geology etc. Most would also have a knowledge of aquifers or goldfields or whatever else they are looking for.

You could well be correct mbasko regards what you say mate. All i know is that it used to work for me and another bloke when i was working in a park and we needed to locate water pipes that weren't mapped. Other than that i don't have an opinion of why it worked or if it would work elsewhere. But it did work in those circumstances.

Not doubting it worked for you but what is your knowledge of underground pipework? How many holes did you dig to locate the pipes or was it first hole every time?

I'm not a 100% skeptic but until I see proof of someone doing it with 100% success rate I'll never fully believe in it either!

 

[Devonian]

I'm too sceptical. I think divining is hogwash. I guess I need proof. I know a miner at Coober Pedy and he swears by it.

I have never tried opal hunting but I can totally see why your friend swears by divining opals. Opals cant be detected by a coil. But the crystal between two rocks acts as a capacitor, an extremely common electrical component that has two plates separated by a dielectric, in this case the dielectric being opal. A capacitor is basically a battery. So the opal will give a different charge to the surrounding rock. Like when your hair stands on end with a static electrical force around, the divining rod would move towards the charge of the opal.

A charge can stay quite happily between two plates but like a lightning strike through the atmosphere, If the charge placed across a dielectric exceeds its strength the capacitor breaks down and discharge occurs between the two plates

Thankfully this doesn't happen when divining

[video=480,360]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF04HcjkPzs[/video]

 

[SCROUNGER]

No knowledge at all mbasko. I went bust financially and was labouring to get back on my feet and working in a caravan park. The only knowledge i had was that water pipes were in the vicinity and which direction they were running (fall of land). I would work across the slope to locate the pipe (generally in a 30-50 foot area) and when i got a positive signal i would walk past it until i lost the signal and then turn and go back until i got it again. Then i would just dig a thin trench maybe 1 metre long also running across the slope to locate the pipe. All i know mate is that over a 12 month period i used it about 5-7 times and it worked each time????? Maybe i've just got the gift???? :lol: :lol: This was up near Heathcote.

 

[ironrock]

Well; after looking at 'Divination' on the internet from a christian perspective, the conclusion seems to be,Satan and his minions are behind the power of dowsing,but as of course some christians think everything is from satan, and nothing is to be enjoyed. I`m not sure really what to make of it (they do claim biblical references that prove there claim) and having tried it myself many years ago, i do know that it did work at least for me, to a limited extent, i think the jury is out on this one!!!

 

[SCROUNGER]

Well i'm certainly not a saint by any means Ironrock, but i don't think i'm one of Satans minions either :lol: Who knows? I'm open minded to these things so long as innocent people aren't being ripped off by conmen selling b..*****.

 

[kawman]

my mate Gaz believes in divining. has his rods in a canvas bag.. very odd watching him wandering all over the place trying to pick up on something.. nothing found yet this way, but hey I don't find much either... :/

 

[SCROUNGER]

Do you mean divining for gold kawman?

 

[nucopia]

I have seen a council worker in Newcastle divining along the foot path in the New Lambton street of a good friend mine.
When I asked him what he was doing he said looking for the water pipes under the path and plotting them so when the workers come out to fix the paths they will know where the pipes are.
very fasinating.

 

[Devonian]

I have seen a council worker in Newcastle divining along the foot path in the New Lambton street of a good friend mine.
When I asked him what he was doing he said looking for the water pipes under the path and plotting them so when the workers come out to fix the paths they will know where the pipes are.
very fasinating.

every day is an adventure - exceptionally when you can't find your glasses.