mbasko said:
mbasko said:Are you having a crack at my detecting ability there John :lol: Or just beating your own chest :lol:
Just for your own information the SDC does indeed find subgrain nuggets. Less than 0.03gram in fact - do your maths on that. Not that it's brag worthy mind you - pretty embarrassing really :8 but like they say all gold is good gold!
Ramjet said:Interesting topic guys. Some great information regarding different machines.
Ridge Runner and Mbasko I see that you have both expressed your different opinions very well. As an outsider I don't see either of you attacking the other. Words can be read with a different interpretation than they were written. Please take a deep breath and keep the good information flowing.
Cheers
Ramjet
WalnLiz said:Can hear where you're coming from John, but just might throw my 2 bobs worth in. I was brought up with VLF machines and have been detecting for more years than i wish to remember. Back in the day that's all that was on offer and there was a hell of a lot more gold to share around. Still have a gold bug2 and still find places where it pings gold dust in shaley shallow ground. MXT's are also a great unit to get you started in the hobby at an affordable price.
My advice to newcomers has, and always will be....ask yourself if "Gold" is the highest priority on your search list, or does general detecting for relics and coins in trashy areas hold equal appeal. If "Gold" is your answer, and all your hard spent hours revolve around researching "Gold" ( in 90% of Aus gold fields), then to buy "any" VLF machine, will in "all" cases known to me personally, result in an upgrade to a PI machine. VLF's do and always will find gold....but on our fields if you're serious about finding gold....get a PI. My Gold Bug 2 has paid for itself many times over.....but the total weight compared to say the 5000 for instance would not register at one percent.
The "thrill" of detecting should always be the main priority, and much thought should go into the best tools for any trade or hobby. Just always be mindful that with the best tools comes the best results, and sometimes the cheapest tools can get you started, but will cost you more dollars in the long run.
Jaros said:
Heatho said:
WalnLiz said:Can hear where you're coming from John, but just might throw my 2 bobs worth in. I was brought up with VLF machines and have been detecting for more years than i wish to remember. Back in the day that's all that was on offer and there was a hell of a lot more gold to share around. Still have a gold bug2 and still find places where it pings gold dust in shaley shallow ground. MXT's are also a great unit to get you started in the hobby at an affordable price.
My advice to newcomers has, and always will be....ask yourself if "Gold" is the highest priority on your search list, or does general detecting for relics and coins in trashy areas hold equal appeal. If "Gold" is your answer, and all your hard spent hours revolve around researching "Gold" ( in 90% of Aus gold fields), then to buy "any" VLF machine, will in "all" cases known to me personally, result in an upgrade to a PI machine. VLF's do and always will find gold....but on our fields if you're serious about finding gold....get a PI. My Gold Bug 2 has paid for itself many times over.....but the total weight compared to say the 5000 for instance would not register at one percent.
The "thrill" of detecting should always be the main priority, and much thought should go into the best tools for any trade or hobby. Just always be mindful that with the best tools comes the best results, and sometimes the cheapest tools can get you started, but will cost you more dollars in the long run.
Ridge Runner said:mbasko said:Are you having a crack at my detecting ability there John :lol: Or just beating your own chest :lol:
Just for your own information the SDC does indeed find subgrain nuggets. Less than 0.03gram in fact - do your maths on that. Not that it's brag worthy mind you - pretty embarrassing really :8 but like they say all gold is good gold!
MBASKO:- This is The Third Time in as many Months That YOU have Bought A Topic that I have posted on to a Stand Still By Taking Cheap Shots At Me, But you have Now Turned this into a Useless Topic and A Slanging Match, AGAIN.
I am Sure The Forum Would Benefit If You Kept Your Personal Issues About Me To Your Self,
As For Your Detecting Abilities, That's Between You and Your Alter-Ego, As I Don't Know You Well Enough To Comment.
NOW, Regarding the Abilities of The GMT Compared To The SDC, From the Finds that People Have Posted here I have No Doubts That The SDC will Find Small Gold @ 0.03 ?? Maybe, But the GMT will and Does Find Gold Down to 1/10th of A Grain and Doing My Maths On That, lol. Works Out To Be 0.006 grams which is almost 5 X Smaller.
Having Owned 2 GMT's, I have Learned that it Is Very Easy To Miss Small Gold and Blame The Machine, When In Fact It was My Fault, On Such Small Gold The Signal Can be Smooth or Sharp Depending on the Set Up, Sweep Speed, Coil Control But Most Of All The User's Concentration,
Use Too Much GAIN and you Will Blind The Machine, Use A SAT Speed that is Too Low and The Signal will Sound Like Ground Noise Or The Threshold Will Disappear,
As For the Abilities of The GMT, In Hot Ground it will Work But Depth will be Limited, It will work on Tailing Piles / Mullock Heaps, and give good Depth, On magnetic Ground it will see 0.10gm pieces up to 6" deep and the Larger they get the deeper it will go and if the Ground is Mild then It will rival some PI machines, Because In Mild Ground VLF's will work better In respect of they will NOT Have A Person Digging A Lot of Junk and this is where VLF's Thrive, Hence why I use the MXT as an All Rounder And Use PI's as A Last Resort,
Most People Scream and Shout that you Have to have A PI based on Hear Say, But just because others use them does NOT make it the Right Choice In ALL CASE's, Even more so with Newbie's. because we do not know how hot the ground is where they intend to use such a machine or How Much Junk there is at such Place's, Which is why I always recommend the MXT instead of the GMT because the Lower Frequency Can Handle Hotter Ground and Make it Easier on the Ears, Without the Cost Factor or An SDC or a GPX
In A Perfect World We Would All Own one of each of ML machines, But Money and Common Sense Dictate other wise, So Not Knowing The Areas etc Machines Like The MXTs, 705 ETC Come in to their Own and Get People Started in the Hobby, Not Forgetting that they can Buy A VLF and A PI machine For the Cost of an SDC and still have $1000 Change to go towards their Trip,
When Any of us Recommend anything to People we Have A Responsibility to help them as much as possible and Not Just Throw them In The Deep End and say GET ON WITH IT,
Helping them also Helps the Forum and Builds A Knowledge Base for Other Members Past And Present and those Yet To Join.
John
KarlS said:Ridge Runner said:mbasko said:Are you having a crack at my detecting ability there John :lol: Or just beating your own chest :lol:
Just for your own information the SDC does indeed find subgrain nuggets. Less than 0.03gram in fact - do your maths on that. Not that it's brag worthy mind you - pretty embarrassing really :8 but like they say all gold is good gold!
MBASKO:- This is The Third Time in as many Months That YOU have Bought A Topic that I have posted on to a Stand Still By Taking Cheap Shots At Me, But you have Now Turned this into a Useless Topic and A Slanging Match, AGAIN.
I am Sure The Forum Would Benefit If You Kept Your Personal Issues About Me To Your Self,
As For Your Detecting Abilities, That's Between You and Your Alter-Ego, As I Don't Know You Well Enough To Comment.
NOW, Regarding the Abilities of The GMT Compared To The SDC, From the Finds that People Have Posted here I have No Doubts That The SDC will Find Small Gold @ 0.03 ?? Maybe, But the GMT will and Does Find Gold Down to 1/10th of A Grain and Doing My Maths On That, lol. Works Out To Be 0.006 grams which is almost 5 X Smaller.
Having Owned 2 GMT's, I have Learned that it Is Very Easy To Miss Small Gold and Blame The Machine, When In Fact It was My Fault, On Such Small Gold The Signal Can be Smooth or Sharp Depending on the Set Up, Sweep Speed, Coil Control But Most Of All The User's Concentration,
Use Too Much GAIN and you Will Blind The Machine, Use A SAT Speed that is Too Low and The Signal will Sound Like Ground Noise Or The Threshold Will Disappear,
As For the Abilities of The GMT, In Hot Ground it will Work But Depth will be Limited, It will work on Tailing Piles / Mullock Heaps, and give good Depth, On magnetic Ground it will see 0.10gm pieces up to 6" deep and the Larger they get the deeper it will go and if the Ground is Mild then It will rival some PI machines, Because In Mild Ground VLF's will work better In respect of they will NOT Have A Person Digging A Lot of Junk and this is where VLF's Thrive, Hence why I use the MXT as an All Rounder And Use PI's as A Last Resort,
Most People Scream and Shout that you Have to have A PI based on Hear Say, But just because others use them does NOT make it the Right Choice In ALL CASE's, Even more so with Newbie's. because we do not know how hot the ground is where they intend to use such a machine or How Much Junk there is at such Place's, Which is why I always recommend the MXT instead of the GMT because the Lower Frequency Can Handle Hotter Ground and Make it Easier on the Ears, Without the Cost Factor or An SDC or a GPX
In A Perfect World We Would All Own one of each of ML machines, But Money and Common Sense Dictate other wise, So Not Knowing The Areas etc Machines Like The MXTs, 705 ETC Come in to their Own and Get People Started in the Hobby, Not Forgetting that they can Buy A VLF and A PI machine For the Cost of an SDC and still have $1000 Change to go towards their Trip,
When Any of us Recommend anything to People we Have A Responsibility to help them as much as possible and Not Just Throw them In The Deep End and say GET ON WITH IT,
Helping them also Helps the Forum and Builds A Knowledge Base for Other Members Past And Present and those Yet To Join.
John
With all respect I can not see how the advice on different detectors based on experience with them in Europe is going to benefit forum members, who are predominantly based in Australia .
Karl
