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Studog said:
sheesh. If you want a pristine environment dont mine. what a load of half assed dribble.

Mungo only knows his particular spot for "decades". His so called "time period" doesnt equate to forever. In fact it doesnt equate to anything other than a memory. How long did it take to make gold? What events do you think transpired to make it? Dont you think the land changed a bit in between?

Im well past tired of idiots thinking that the land the way they have seen it during their lifetime is the way it was to year dot and therefore must be maintained thus. What utter easily provable bollocks.

Proof? Just look at the painting above and the photo satellite photo now. Now ask yourself what the sheepstation looked like when gold was forming. Land changes.....with or without man.

These are some pics from previous posts Studog, it's what Mungoman was talking about, Grabben Gullen faces this kind of consistent destruction from prospector's who make it hard for everyone else, and Grabben Gullen is just one example of a spot that is hit hard like in these pics. The powers that be are not going to wait 150 years for it to recover.....they will just lock us out.

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I think the last few post all have fact and truth in them. Ive seen large rivers totally change in one small flood. And I have a lof of respect for the old murry cod. Thankfully where I dig I might be disrupting a yabby and turtle for a bit.
But maybe also look at the brown and rainbow trout. No different from redfin and carp in the eco of Australian water ways. And who puts them in there! The DPI!
Trout eat trout! So what the hell respect is a trout going to have for our native fish that are near extinct in my local streams, eat them and compete with them. I saw my first slippery last month for the first time in 25 years. The stream was a tributary to the Turon, where the dpi release and guard the trout, and who for? Trout fishermen/ fisherperson to be PC!
Yeah sure white man has near wiped out slipperies and other fresh water bream and perch.
But it seems so hypocritical for the dpi to introduce foreign fish in our waterways saying its great.
Some people need to be educated in what is right and wrong to do with the environment, and some just know, and some know and don't care.
Not every thing that is lawful to do is ok, and not all things that are illegal are really that bad as made out.
 
Studog. A river changes its face everytime it floods - this is due to it's character. Some rivers don't flood very often and some rivers/creeks just get a healthy flow. This is dependent obviously on water flow, which is determined by it's catchment...which is reliant on the local isohyet.

An Isohyet is a line drawn on a weather map showing the predictability of rain within that area. Goulburn cops on an average 640mm while Crookwell, 50 K's away gets nearly 900mm (870 to be precise).

The soil around there is sodolic underneath the basalt flows, indicating that it has an excess of sodium (salt) - sodium ions don't floculate (clump), they do the opposite - they reject, causing sediment in water to stay suspended. The only answer is lime which will change the pH.

Have you ever wondered why in certain areas the water in a creek/river is cloudy, yet over the mountain it's clear as a bell? Sodolic mate.

Change is its own reward but excess change, like 'constant improvement' that the government talks about is not productive. My point isn't that change is bad - far from it, change is growth, like when a river erodes the far bank, it builds up river flats on the inside of the bend at the same time.

What I'm talking about is like the photo's above - that isn't healthy. that just suspends sediment in the creek, covering microphytes (small plants)which die, which causes small insects to die, which means the cod fingerlings don't eat so they die...and in the meantime, the inside bend where it's been dug out has lost it's stability (angle of repose) which guarantees more suspension of sediment etc. etc. etc.

So look at a creek anyway you want to Studog, but realise that if you learnt something about soil management, or stream dynamics, there's a good chance your prospecting results would improve. Eh.
 
some kids just swim in a rocky creek and some build dam walls, for no reason..
 

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