Lazy mongrels at Muckelford

[Jon]

Went for a swing at Muckleford mid week and couldnt believe the number of fresh open holes that had been dug by some mongrels there. Were as fresh as they come, maybe a day or two before I went there.
Had a look at several places there, some reefs and some diggings, and holes open every spot.
Becoming common these days and why in the end we will have little areas to detect in as a result.
For years, decades, iv filled in others holes but that was the last straw, had a gut full and from now on im leaving them as I find them.
To those who recently were there, must have been a few blokes I reckon and not saying they are from this forum, but if you read this, your losers.

 

[LC76]

Why dont you just detect the holes and see what they missed?
Might save you digging and then just kick the dirt back in.

Leaving them open isnt going to help anyone though......what i hate more though is people dumping their household rubbish in the bush.

like this.

 

[Metamorphic]

I would agree with LC, rubbish is way more of a concern to me than a couple of detectors holes in the bush.

Rain carrying dirt and soils plus erosion will fill any small holes over time as the bush has a knack of repairing itself from this easily. Rubbish is a different matter!

Sensitive area's such as parks and gardens become a problem when the treasure/coin hunters leave open holes yes, but the bush and the beach.....not such a huge issue!
They should be just pick scrapings anyway, if they are definite holes maybe something has been found in the area and you could use these as a clue?
The Echidna's, Wallabies and Wombats dig the ground too in search of food often leaving a lot of holes.

Have you not seen what the old timers have done to bush? Are they losers too?

People who jump up and down and make a noise about really nothing, draw more attention to the fact.

Lets get these rubbish dumpers I say......

 

[AngerManagement]

The only thing good about walking onto an area that has been hit by Parie dogs.

Is that I know the place has been hit; but a good chance they have missed the good stuff.

Problem here is that they not only do sporting grounds around the border of the fields, but they often nighthawk and leave the same mess/ destruction all over the field.

Have seen a few to many cricket pitches with holes in them... No wonder the Ground keepers and some locals; get in a huff......

I backfill my holes on the beach, may not take the same care but I still do not like to leave a big clue as to where I have been. And those that weave in and out of people in a flagged area; are asking for trouble... Early morning or evening is much better for every one...

Besides if they leave holes and trash behind, you know what it says about them as a person... Lack of respect for others !

 

[Hiluxlou]

About 2 years ago I was on my way to work 6.30am and saw a bloke dumping rubbish in the sand dunes at our local beach . I took his rego number and immediately rang the shire to dob him in , about 3-4 hrs later I got a call from the ranger and he asked me to go and dig thru the rubbish to see if there was anything to identify the culprit, told him I was at work and said i thought it was his job . Next day he rang me back and said I had to go to court to id the rubbish dumper, I told him no and he said if I didn't go to court the bloke will walk free. I live 80k from where the court is so that's a days work for me $500 , plus I don't know if the rubbish dumper is a psyco lunatic that will come and burn my house down for dobbing him in , so just be aware that if you see someone dumping rubbish and you choose to do the right thing and report him it will most likely end up costing you more than the bloke dumping the rubbish.

 

[Metamorphic]

The law sadly doesn't always support us and a good point made Luke.

Are the powers really for the bush and environment? It makes us wonder sometimes hey mate.

Local councils charge huge, unreasonable rates to dump at your local tip....this certainly doesn't help and only compounds the problem of illegal dumping.

I live and work in the bush, and its air is that I breathe.

I have my own methods of retaliation against this kind of thoughtlessness.

Most of which i decline to post here!

Edit: Im not one to go on with an environmental bender, all posters here seem very conscious of what is right and what is wrong.

Im a prospector......Lets all do the right thing and go and get that gold i say.

God speed

 

[Jon]

Different world back then mate, no greenies going about taking photo's and trying to get all they can against prospectors. Have personally been to some meetings in small towns in the bush where greenies were present and had done just that presenting it to those from the DSE. Notice how all detector companies have in their manuals "refill your holes"? Scrapes are one thing but holes that stand out like the proverbial are another. Echidnas and wallabies :lol: seriously, you think that's the same :lol: ohh and don't forget the ants mate :lol: Did I touch a nerve Meta?

 

[Metamorphic]

Go back to your city apartment Johnny boy!

 

[stoyve]

Hey there everyone, lets not allow this forum
to degenerate into a battle zone like so many other
forums.
This subject matter always seems to fall into a great
big hole (pun intended) every time its brought up.
Passion for our environment to be cared for, whether
its the bush, park or beach is always a winner in my book.
Keep the passion for our pass time and the environment
we choose to do it in, and respect each other and the bush.
Stay nice

 

[nuggetino]

About 2 years ago I was on my way to work 6.30am and saw a bloke dumping rubbish in the sand dunes at our local beach . I took his rego number and immediately rang the shire to dob him in , about 3-4 hrs later I got a call from the ranger and he asked me to go and dig thru the rubbish to see if there was anything to identify the culprit, told him I was at work and said i thought it was his job . Next day he rang me back and said I had to go to court to id the rubbish dumper, I told him no and he said if I didn't go to court the bloke will walk free. I live 80k from where the court is so that's a days work for me $500 , plus I don't know if the rubbish dumper is a psyco lunatic that will come and burn my house down for dobbing him in , so just be aware that if you see someone dumping rubbish and you choose to do the right thing and report him it will most likely end up costing you more than the bloke dumping the rubbish.

Got a decent phone cam? Might save a trip to court. Don't blame you for not wanting to face up to this scum in person.

 

[Hiluxlou]

Education is the key with these issues , I reckon the majority of hunters , fishermen , 4WDers and prospectors do the right thing and it's because of forums like this one or clubs that people are educated on what's right/wrong. There will always be drongo's who will abuse the bush and there's probably not much you can do about them , but if you do the right thing while your out enjoying your hobby hopefully it will still be there for your kids , grandchildren etc to enjoy.

 

[Big Nugget]

unfortunately a much to common site in the bush nowadays. The "Parkies", would have the public believe this is why they are trying to shut us down.

I suppose its easier for them to book me for camping in the "wrong spot", or picking up a rock or some firewood!

 

[AngerManagement]

I do not see why this topic should invite any AGRO ?

As I understand it, it is about respect for yourself, others and the environment. Am I always 100% .... No; but I do try.

Same as I would never even consider driving out of my way to find a bit of deserted road or park or forest or kids play ground to dump rubbish OR even food scraps... But for some, so long as it is not in their back yard it seems to be OK.

As to reporting, a pic or two and a rego should be enough for the Council to have a quick scavenge and confirm the owner of the rubbish, and of not then a warning at the least. In some cases the fine is even less than the dumping fees so that is an open invitation to those that do the wrong thing..

In some parks they have hidden cameras and the so called 4 x 4 fools can even loose their car... A couple of state reserves near me have almost recovered once a few cameras went in... But I guess the fools just relocated to some one else's back yard...

The age of assumed entitlement...

 

[Jon]

:lol: City apartment, cant do, been living in the bush for 30yrs, still do.
Wallabies digging holes, must be a new transitional species you saw or maybe you just thought something you saw on Skippy the Bush Kangaroo was actually real :lol:
Psst, those roo paws were fake :lol: Wallabies going around digging holes, what a crack up :lol: What next "flabbits" (flying rabbits) watch out at night Meta they're had to see coming in the dark :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[LC76]

 

[Redfin]

All species of Wallabies dig holes, up to 20cm deep.
They predominately feed on low level greens, leaves and grasses, but 30% of their diet consists of hypogeous fungi,
especially after planned burns.

edit - spelling

 

[Goldtarget]

AM you are spot on. Enforcing a fine/ court action is often ineffective due to the cost. 11 fines issued from my department with irrefutable proof and zero paid. Seems a "hardship" claim can be applied to any liability these days. Pity the sheriffs department can't be used in these cases, I think if they could we would definitely see a decrease in offences. It should be set up like speeding fines. But it doesn't stop there. A lot of on the spot fines and general charges are evaded the same way. Charities are by far treated the worst for illegal dumping and they haven't solved the problem yet. If there are hot spots try contacting the powers that are responsible for the management of the land to see if they can help, often when the problem is addressed they can take measures to stamp it out.

 

[Jon]

Ha, that's interesting, never seen one dig before though in all the years up here. Learn something new every day. Couldn't see them digging to far into the ground in central Vic though , probably why it would be a rare thing to see. Perhaps into the soft mulch like stuff though where you'd expect that fungi to be found though if that's what they like, maybe bases of trees and the like. But holes like a prospector would dig!?, hard ground like most of the goldfields in central Vic are, nah, couldn't see it happen.
Back on topic though. Holders of miners rights are expected to comply with the rules that go with them of refilling all holes dug.

 

[Big Nugget]

Ha, that's interesting, never seen one dig before though in all the years up here. Learn something new every day. Couldn't see them digging to far into the ground in central Vic though , probably why it would be a rare thing to see. Perhaps into the soft mulch like stuff though where you'd expect that fungi to be found though if that's what they like, maybe bases of trees and the like. But holes like a prospector would dig!?, hard ground like most of the goldfields in central Vic are, nah, couldn't see it happen.
Back on topic though. Holders of miners rights are expected to comply with the rules that go with them of refilling all holes dug.

I always thought Wallabies had claws for opening coconuts?

 

[Redfin]

I really think the rubbish is the big problem in the GT. As has already been mentioned, the fees to dump are prohibitive for most of the locals, who are elderly, incapable or on the dole {you get the picture}.
Driving down a track and dumping it all into a shaft/mullock hole seems to be the preferred option to the locals, not the campers/prospectors.