I own the waterway...Leave now.

[dwt]

Damnedest thing, hitting the "like" button six times doesn't work :lol:

 

[casper]

Dunno wtf the mods are doing here...serious topic that affect the future of our hobby and it has turned into comedy central.

Not that impressed really

I agree, this topic has taken on a disturbing "REDNECK" tone...... unlike the USA, guns do not rule here - and should not!

Cut with the firearm pics diggers.....

casper

Firearms are a valuable tool on rural property, but also a great hobby. That doesn't make me a "REDNECK"

True......

 

[Twapster]

At the end of the day folks, sometimes it is damn hard to get to some good spots that appear to be on crown land but barricaded by farmland. The old fence that crosses the river....wtf......or the two fences that are either side of a bridge, or the signs that say "no fossicking private property", or even "Nundle Guy" ......

It really does annoy me that some land owners go to every effort to keep us well away from places they technically have no right to, on the flip side the pigs that trash areas that should be pristine....how many times am I high banking glass from a VB stubby, walking past a water bottle that someones just decided they dont wish to carry anymore. Im sure if I owned the farm land id have an alternate view. Even if we are well in our rights to prospect or fish, we have to take into consideration the human factor and those around us. Some battles you win, some battles are best won by walking away. Jesus ive walked away from a lot of good spots, and ive also walked on some spots that I probably should not have. Thats propspecting!

 

[andyflhrci]

G'day all, this is the first time a subject has made me make the effort to post something. I agree with horse and our right to legally
pursue our hobby. Maybe our country/bush brothers that own land near waterways need to look back at all the times we city folks
have helped them out during times of hardship such as fires, floods and drought.
cheers
andy

 

[LC76]

G'day all, this is the first time a subject has made me make the effort to post something. I agree with horse and our right to legally
pursue our hobby. Maybe our country/bush brothers that own land near waterways need to look back at all the times we city folks
have helped them out during times of hardship such as fires, floods and drought.
cheers
andy

I think thats the wrong approach.

You cant throw that in anyones face ever.
People help each other because its the right thing to do,and if your doing it for any other reason dont bother helping at all.
Dont ever use the fact that you helped as ammunition or emotional blackmail ever,its wrong on so many levels.

Where do "city folk" get their food from?
A little respect goes a long way and if you still dont get your way then back off and go elsewhere politely.

 

[yobskin]

I agree with lc76 !! I reckon you would be looking down a farmers double barrel if you said that to him. If city folk truly wanna help stop crying about the price of fruit n veg and meat and buy aussie grown not imported rubbish.

 

[Ryan1981]

I totally agree that respect should be show with both the land owners and the fellow prospectors, some times farmers can be plain DICKS about access,I find if i drive to their house and introduce myself and it pays of 90% of the time, ive had one experence where the guy was so closed minded on the subject, But i keep my cool and went around to his neighbor and had a laugh with them about it and proceeded prospecting anyway.
There is more than one way to skin a cat(aka) old krony LOL
Cheers Ryan

 

[Matturbo]

Yep yobskin! And try to avoid Coles and woollies that screw the farmers and suppliers

 

[Goldtarget]

Upsetting someone with potential large deep holes on the property? Haha OK. I have private land access to gold bearing areas and I can tell you straight up as soon as you create a divide with that landowner you are O.U.T. I too can be a different on here than in person but there's a fairly large amount of commentary I read on here around all sorts of topics and just sit and think "wouldn't invite you, wouldn't invite you." One of the quickest way to get a door open is to have great history and good references. I've seen people come to the area and get a knock back one after the other for the first rude outburst. The big difference can be in the country that each one knows their neighbor. Just today I helped a bloke put his neighbors cow back in the paddock as it was roadside. You get alot of that spirit where there's no concrete gutters.

 

[Ryan1981]

I do remember reading about land laws in nsw that there are actually owners of the creeks which may or may not be connected to public access. What that translates to is that some of the riverbed is owned privately under the title of the land but adjoining titles the riverbed and banks may be owned by the crown. It was in connection to water rights and access issues not fishing and prospecting, but relevant. I'll ask my uncle that's who brought it up with me and showed me the legal summary. He has lived in two different areas, the riverina and the snowys and I'm sure in both areas there are some portions that are soley privately owned.

I have spoken with a farmer that has a river running through his property, and after talking with him he doesn't mind if i drive through his property to prospect.Hes a top bloke always keen for a chat,spend more time talking sometimes than digging,LOL.

We had the ownership of waterway talk,anyway he looked into it and on his land he owns the right to to the land the river is on but not the water rights, How weird is that??

 

[dwt]

Upsetting someone with potential large deep holes on the property? Haha OK. I have private land access to gold bearing areas and I can tell you straight up as soon as you create a divide with that landowner you are O.U.T. I too can be a different on here than in person but there's a fairly large amount of commentary I read on here around all sorts of topics and just sit and think "wouldn't invite you, wouldn't invite you." One of the quickest way to get a door open is to have great history and good references. I've seen people come to the area and get a knock back one after the other for the first rude outburst. The big difference can be in the country that each one knows their neighbor. Just today I helped a bloke put his neighbors cow back in the paddock as it was roadside. You get alot of that spirit where there's no concrete gutters.

Top post GT, been standing right beside a farmer mate when some fellows asked if they could coin shoot, the cockie explained how fences had been cut ect,ect, and that he wasn't letting anyone until the local fuzz had sorted the issue. This just about led to a brawl, had they of offered assistance in repairing one of the fences (which we were standing right beside at the time) my mate might of let them in for a swing :|
Seen plenty of poor attitude when it comes to asking access to private land, Reverse the roles, how would you like it if you opened your back door to find someone giving you heaps of lip about utilising your private property, there wouldn't be a person here that wouldn't tell them to take a long walk off a short pier!!!

 

[Matturbo]

Being friendly, polite and respectful goes along way, there's a lot of ******s on both sides of the fence. And GT that's one of the best posts I've seen on here, there's a few on this thread that have no chance of stepping on my property, there's been a few members come around, and a couple more coming this Sunday, again, be polite, respectful and friendly, it's not bloody hard.

 

[rocketaroo]

I know that you may not have to, but would offering them a gift like a bottle of wine, or a small percent of any finds placate them?

 

[Twapster]

People are more often swayed by someones attitude, you may be the ugliest guy in town with a hunch back and warts on your chin, if you are polite, courteous and respectful it will get you a long way. Its a nice gesture to offer something but at the same time its not always about the "money" or "gift", its about respecting the landowner and just asking if they are ok with you being there. If they are uncomfortable about it, time to move on.

 

[Goldtarget]

Being friendly, polite and respectful goes along way, there's a lot of ******s on both sides of the fence. And GT that's one of the best posts I've seen on here, there's a few on this thread that have no chance of stepping on my property, there's been a few members come around, and a couple more coming this Sunday, again, be polite, respectful and friendly, it's not bloody hard.

That's just it mate if you own it or are near it think about how you would like to be treated. I don't see alot of blokes putting another on a patch or a good dig, it's just the same mentality.

On the subject of gifts putting a tatts ticket in your pocket before you door knock is a simple but smart move. Everyone likes a free shot. No need to pull it out like a salesman, just hand it over with thanks when your done, not only is it a nice gesture it helps them understand the fever we have. I'm yet to see someone turn one down.

 

[Horse]

A lot of talk about private land access here....and I agree 100%...permission first.

However, my post was about a land owners claiming something that was not his/hers...approached rudely and got right up in our faces.
I own my house block...I know where my boundaries are...IF I owned a rural block...I would also know what is mine...and what is not.

Trying to kick people out because they are close to your land is bollocks.....
Is like me saying no one can walk the footpath in front of my house because " they might be bad".

 

[Matturbo]

Or living next to an ally way or park that attracts drunk teens, vandals or druggies leaving needles. If everyone in our fine hobby left the place as it was found, I'm sure there would be less conflict. But we all know the chances of that.

 

[Horse]

Or living next to an ally way or park that attracts drunk teens, vandals or druggies leaving needles. If everyone in our fine hobby left the place as it was found, I'm sure there would be less conflict. But we all know the chances of that.

Simple fact is...you do not control what you do not own.
So when purchasing a property...You have to expect that someday...somebody may use the land beside you.
If a person does not like that idea, then maybe they consider their options more carefully before purchasing.
If a person buy a house next to a park, oval, playground....do they expect it to be used? Of course they do.
Same thing with crown rivers and creeks....some day...some one will use that river/creek.

Public land is there for the use of the public, all public...not just a select few that try to control it.

 

[Ryan1981]

Or living next to an ally way or park that attracts drunk teens, vandals or druggies leaving needles. If everyone in our fine hobby left the place as it was found, I'm sure there would be less conflict. But we all know the chances of that.

Simple fact is...you do not control what you do not own.
So when purchasing a property...You have to expect that someday...somebody may use the land beside you.
If a person does not like that idea, then maybe they consider their options more carefully before purchasing.
If a person buy a house next to a park, oval, playground....do they expect it to be used? Of course they do.
Same thing with crown rivers and creeks....some day...some one will use that river/creek.

Public land is there for the use of the public, all public...not just a select few that try to control it.

I agree, we are restricted enough as it is in this country, taxes,cant do this cant do that, I see your argument. You were within your rights.
If you aren't imposing on someone or their property or harming another and just going about your day, and they give you ***** for it, then i agree with you, id be pissed off too.

Your untitled to stand up and have your say, next time DO IT.

 

[LC76]

And this from here
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/la195848/s386.html

(1) The owner or occupier for the time being of land adjacent to a watercourse the bed and banks of which have remained the property of the Crown by virtue of section 385
(2) An owner or occupier referred to in subsection (1) has the same right to seek and obtain a remedy for trespass against a person (other than the Crown or an Authority or a person acting under the sanction of the Crown or an Authority) trespassing on the part of the bed and banks adjoining the owner's or occupier's land

Horse going by the above if the property goes as far as the creek, then unless you were in the water or on the opposite bank your technically trespassing and they have the right to ask you to move.

Am I reading that right?