Ill take a photo of the whole marker in daylight tomorrow. I'm pretty certain its young.
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If you find something or a site you think has some significant heritage value you should contact your local council. They will usually have someone that deals with heritage matters.
If not contact the National Trust in your state I.e. for NSW:
http://www.nationaltrust.org.au/nsw/Home
Personally I don't think a public listing on a prospecting & fossicking forum will help?
If not contact the National Trust in your state I.e. for NSW:
http://www.nationaltrust.org.au/nsw/Home
Personally I don't think a public listing on a prospecting & fossicking forum will help?
Cheers mbasko. I've told council already but a stare and then onto the next topic was the answer there.. ill try the trust
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Did ya get onto the museum?
http://ach.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Regional_Museum/Contact_Us
We've got some local cemetary sites here that date back to the start of the goldrush & possibly prior. Some are in pretty bad shape, unfenced & I'm not sure if they are a local thing, state or national. Will get some pics & see what I can find out here too. Shame to see these places just go by the wayside & eventually disappear. Others around Hill End are kept in reasonable shape & fenced off but I would say National Parks look after those (they do some good things
). Some old ones are still in use too - legitimately of course.
For the record in NSW old human remains, of any nationality, are seen as having significant heritage value & obviously shouldn't be disturbed. I would assume the same in other states?
http://ach.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/Regional_Museum/Contact_Us
We've got some local cemetary sites here that date back to the start of the goldrush & possibly prior. Some are in pretty bad shape, unfenced & I'm not sure if they are a local thing, state or national. Will get some pics & see what I can find out here too. Shame to see these places just go by the wayside & eventually disappear. Others around Hill End are kept in reasonable shape & fenced off but I would say National Parks look after those (they do some good things
). Some old ones are still in use too - legitimately of course.For the record in NSW old human remains, of any nationality, are seen as having significant heritage value & obviously shouldn't be disturbed. I would assume the same in other states?
Hmm..lilydale museum may be interested.. ill give that one a go too, but this is the thing..I shouldnt be the one chasing it up.
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I read an article by a bloke who had the job of investigating a case of a body that had been encased in a concrete slab. After some time in the slab, the body had decomposed into a black stinking mess of fluid and tissue, but a piece of skin from a finger was recovered and the print led to identification of the victim and eventually to solving the case. This was in the pre-DNA days, and the story was in the Australian Police Journal, which generally has a grisly murder story in it.
Made my nutella sandwich taste awesome right now..
I saw a story recently where 2 blokes are travelling the outback putting metal plaques on old, lost and forgotten Graves.
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I guess its just a fact of life - there are going to be countless thousands of bodies buried in the ground all over the place.
Proper cemetery's have been around for how long? Maybe 200 years? Before this the dead were probably just buried wherever was convenient at the time.
As time stands right now, the dead outnumber the living by about 20 to 1, so the graves are out there.
I think the best thing to do if you locate one, respect it and leave it.
Interesting topic of conversation tho!
Proper cemetery's have been around for how long? Maybe 200 years? Before this the dead were probably just buried wherever was convenient at the time.
As time stands right now, the dead outnumber the living by about 20 to 1, so the graves are out there.
I think the best thing to do if you locate one, respect it and leave it.
Interesting topic of conversation tho!
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Its a good question AtomRat,
not one that I know much about but my approach would be to either draw a small map of the site and search a 50m radius around it. If I found more id note those too and suspect it as a graveyard. If not id assume it was a burial from disease or injury.
Id make a note of any signs, bits of tin on trees, carved trees or rocks or mounds then leave everything as I found it and move on.
Later id make photocopies and see if the local museum knew anything or wanted copies of any notes.
Up here in Qld they probably care even less as much of the early history is already lost due to constant changing, corruption, illiteracy and deaths of the mining wardens who were charged with recording the miners leases, disputes and deaths as well as natural disasters like cave ins, flash flooding and dissappearances attributed to aboriginal raids on miners camps.
If no one in the government is interested right at this moment you could always ask Harri or the mods if they can setup a seperate folder for unknown gravesites on known goldfields at least then there's a digital copy that people can add to. Maybe theres some budding historians out there that will do the digging and maybe an id can be found?
Food for thought
TGW
not one that I know much about but my approach would be to either draw a small map of the site and search a 50m radius around it. If I found more id note those too and suspect it as a graveyard. If not id assume it was a burial from disease or injury.
Id make a note of any signs, bits of tin on trees, carved trees or rocks or mounds then leave everything as I found it and move on.
Later id make photocopies and see if the local museum knew anything or wanted copies of any notes.
Up here in Qld they probably care even less as much of the early history is already lost due to constant changing, corruption, illiteracy and deaths of the mining wardens who were charged with recording the miners leases, disputes and deaths as well as natural disasters like cave ins, flash flooding and dissappearances attributed to aboriginal raids on miners camps.
If no one in the government is interested right at this moment you could always ask Harri or the mods if they can setup a seperate folder for unknown gravesites on known goldfields at least then there's a digital copy that people can add to. Maybe theres some budding historians out there that will do the digging and maybe an id can be found?
Food for thought
TGW
Gday TGW!
Great idea mate I like it! Unfortunately the grave my marker has been the result of vandalism and the actual location of where its come from is unknown.
You just made something click though. I swear I found another wooden marker but not marked..this one was about 1km away..and now I think about it more..supposibly an aboriginal graveyard is on this hill.. but I would have found it by now unless someone destroyrd the whole lot a few years back...ill seek info on that too. Another aboriginal graveyard not far away looks like it has been destoryed for years and grave markers constantly vandalised and removed as I can't see any original headstones which are meant to be there
So mods - do we have an unmarked or death thread possibly
Great idea mate I like it! Unfortunately the grave my marker has been the result of vandalism and the actual location of where its come from is unknown.
You just made something click though. I swear I found another wooden marker but not marked..this one was about 1km away..and now I think about it more..supposibly an aboriginal graveyard is on this hill.. but I would have found it by now unless someone destroyrd the whole lot a few years back...ill seek info on that too. Another aboriginal graveyard not far away looks like it has been destoryed for years and grave markers constantly vandalised and removed as I can't see any original headstones which are meant to be there
So mods - do we have an unmarked or death thread possibly
First name looks like Alfred, fred, winfred...second name Rosa..
The *****-963 is a plot number or immigration number.
1890 is either the date of arrival or her birth date.
I would go by the 1890 as her birth date as if she passed away at a minimum of 80 years old, That would put her passing at
around the 1980's.
And that is the time a cross like this would survive in the elements.
Can you tell me the exact area this was found mate.
Reply via PM if you wish.
It looks like to me that her first name was Rosa or Rosanne.
Buried to the left side of the cross.
German for Young is Jung.
I would say that these are from a local cemetery that has had the graves located and marked then a proper headstone erected.
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I was involved in a similar project to find some lost ones in a cemetery.
I used an old Pulse Garrets machine to find them.
One of the ones that turned up was the wife of Ben Hall. She re married down in this area but was still buried as a bush rangers wife.
She is a relation of mine by marriage.
She now has a marker with her name on it courtesy of my brother.
1890 is either the date of arrival or her birth date.
I would go by the 1890 as her birth date as if she passed away at a minimum of 80 years old, That would put her passing at
around the 1980's.
And that is the time a cross like this would survive in the elements.
Can you tell me the exact area this was found mate.
Reply via PM if you wish.
It looks like to me that her first name was Rosa or Rosanne.
Buried to the left side of the cross.
German for Young is Jung.
I would say that these are from a local cemetery that has had the graves located and marked then a proper headstone erected.
.
I was involved in a similar project to find some lost ones in a cemetery.
I used an old Pulse Garrets machine to find them.
One of the ones that turned up was the wife of Ben Hall. She re married down in this area but was still buried as a bush rangers wife.
She is a relation of mine by marriage.
She now has a marker with her name on it courtesy of my brother.
Tathradj said:The *****-963 is a plot number or immigration number.
1890 is either the date of arrival or her birth date.
I would go by the 1890 as her birth date as if she passed away at a minimum of 80 years old, That would put her passing at
around the 1980's.
And that is the time a cross like this would survive in the elements.
Can you tell me the exact area this was found mate.
Reply via PM if you wish.
It looks like to me that her first name was Rosa or Rosanne.
Buried to the left side of the cross.
German for Young is Jung.
I would say that these are from a local cemetery that has had the graves located and marked then a proper headstone erected.
.
I was involved in a similar project to find some lost ones in a cemetery.
I used an old Pulse Garrets machine to find them.
One of the ones that turned up was the wife of Ben Hall. She re married down in this area but was still buried as a bush rangers wife.
She is a relation of mine by marriage.
She now has a marker with her name on it courtesy of my brother.
Detective DJ is on to it already. And I would say a plot number to a corresponding cemetery. Atom! have you been collecting free firewood at night again?
They may have even used her Birth certificate number as a reference.
I do doubt that as that is very private to any one and the information is not given out for at least a certain amount of time past death.
I also with a quick search see that that area does indeed have a few things going on.
I sent you a PM with the party that is tracing all the info and it should not take long to work it out.
It is probably because of the laws governing information as above that I can not find a reference to that name.
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The final thing is that cross would only be about 20 years old making it fairly easy to track down who it belongs to.
.
Detective, ???
I love history.
And it's challenges.
I do doubt that as that is very private to any one and the information is not given out for at least a certain amount of time past death.
I also with a quick search see that that area does indeed have a few things going on.
I sent you a PM with the party that is tracing all the info and it should not take long to work it out.
It is probably because of the laws governing information as above that I can not find a reference to that name.
.
The final thing is that cross would only be about 20 years old making it fairly easy to track down who it belongs to.
.
Detective, ???
I love history.
And it's challenges.
Small round ring of stones denotes an Asian Grave.
The person would probably have been buried so the Relations could come back later, Burn what is left then scatter the ash's back home.
Or sit them in the Family shrine.
The person would probably have been buried so the Relations could come back later, Burn what is left then scatter the ash's back home.
Or sit them in the Family shrine.
Parks said:
And I agree that it is not up to this forum to go searching for who is there. Nobody is paying us. 1-Just take pics. 2- Do not disturb. 3 notify local police. And if you want to post GPS then at your will. Maybe this should be a starter of what to do if you find human remains in a GRAVES THREAD. Any other thoughts on the manner of how to start a new thread called GRAVES are welcome by all.
