Fill Your Bloody Holes in

[Bjay]

I don't think it's tourists where I've seen . I'm talking 2 to 3 foot deep trenches plus 1 to 2 foot holes everywhere . I'm sure someone knows who's been working that ground

 

[Bjay]

Sorry but bit off topic but bjays me dogs name, bout to change it to ya putrid stinky ******* he's pumping some ripe ones out tonight

 

[bend]

I don't think it's tourists where I've seen . I'm talking 2 to 3 foot deep trenches plus 1 to 2 foot holes everywhere . I'm sure someone knows who's been working that ground

yeah that doesn't sound like the ones that pop up all over that general area on the long weekends. I'll keep my eyes open when I'm up that way, never know might catch them at it.

 

[AngerManagement]

I may be pulling a bit of a long bow... BUT... Just like Coin and Relic hunting.....

I get the feeling that it is driven by many new comers to the Hobby and the expectation of RICHES .

Marketing and Bragging on Social Media and Reality shows.

Pay off your Detector in a trip or two... You will find enough coin in a few parks to pay for your $1K plus detector in a month !!!

Find Gold and retire !!!

Those serious about the long term impact and understand the knife edge we sometimes walk; as to location and permission and RECOVERY methods, try to do their best...

WHY, because we know our HOBBY will not put us in retirement over night AND as a hobby; it can keep us active and contributing to society for years to come.

Those in it for the $$ with little or no view to the future ( Selfish and only think of the moment) do not and will not care...

The only ones, any of us can help are the misinformed AND THEN and ONLY THEN, if they wish to be helped.

I feel for property owners and for the un regulated hobby; as at some stage the actions of some will come home to roost and hit us all.

 

[LC76]

I think it has a bit to do with a lack of knowledge about what's expected of new detectorist.

I've noticed around most unfilled holes there's almost always runner/sneaker tread patterns in the dirt,very rarely a boot tread.
That tells me the ones leaving open holes are just out for quick detect and probably inexperienced, leaving huge craters everywhere, especially since today the open holes had nuggets in them that I happily took ownership of.

I think when purchasing any detector there needs to be reminders of what's expected and the potential consequences.

 

[Jon]

Here,s my two bobs worth. Iv commented on this before with some laughable replies. Fauna digging or scratching, with the scratching being the most apt, do not come into the equation when it comes to the authorities, Parks or whatever their name is now, eyes. Get that through your heads. They are not either taking into account holes dug in the 1800,s or the 1900,s for that matter. Its here and now their focus is on. I live on the Triangle goldfields and can tell you now, the unfilled holes are being taken note of by the Rangers. 100%. Don't kid yourselves for 1 millisecond that they care about or are stupid enough to mistake detector holes for holes dug, scratched really, by fauna. What a joke! Anyone stupid enough to think there is even the slightest comparison between the 2 visually is a moron. I have personally spoke to Rangers and have heard they are sick of it and that places have been shut down in the past and will without a doubt be shut down in the future because of this. Man,s worst enemy? Look in the mirror.

 

[Dignit]

For those in Victoria may I remind you of your Miners Right obligations as quoted from your Miners Right -
"The holder of a miner's right must repair any damage to the land arising out of the search"

Plus, as quoted from the Energy & Earth Resources website, your prospecting obligations are:
"If any treasure troves (hidden valuables) are found on land accessed for prospecting, these belong to the Crown and such findings must be reported to the Victoria Police.
To minimise impacts from prospecting activities:
- drive vehicles on tracks and roads open to the public and park vehicles on the roadside;
- take all rubbish home or place it in a bin where provided and do not bury rubbish;
- minimise any damage to vegetation including the ground layer; and
- immediately restore the area as originally found, i.e. backfill any holes dug and replace leaf litter."

Plus, IMO everyone should follow the Scouts code "leave no trace".

To me it is just common courtesy to leave the bush as you found it so others can enjoy it as you have done.

I'm not out to aggravate anyone so please don't be offended. This is just my opinion which I am entitled to.

Cheers

 

[Bjay]

The problem is its not just related to our hobby as some of the hunting and fishing locations will also be shut down due to dirty *******s having no respect for our enviroment, yet they scream the loudest when locations get banned. This duck opening in a favorite location there were multiple camps littered with empty cans and stubbies , live trees cut down not to mention unburied crap everywhere. I wonder where the greenies get there ammo from?

 

[Jon]

Too true Bjay. Im a mad keen fisho too. Sick and tired of seeing empty stubbies and cans along with discarded fishing packaging and what not where I go for a cast. Pick up what I can now and then and bin it but go back and you wouldn't know it. Id love for the, fauna does the same, brigade to supply us with photo or video evidence of the "damage" :lol: they do that looks the same as that done by feral prospectors. Id concede that in rain forest areas they could dig a foot or two hole, buy seriously, :lol: in central Vic goldfield concrete ground, Tarna, Dunolly, Moliagul, Amherst etc.......... to quote the Castle ...."tell em they're dreamin".

 

[Ridge Runner]

Excellent post mr ridgerunner.

Well we all have to work at this even when a person is sitting at home because mining company's are buying up leases all the time and silly mistakes like this is just another excuse for the local shires to sell off those leases to the mining company's who will strip it bare and smooth it all out again when they have done, And then this hobby is all but gone and think of what that will do to detector company's and site sponsers here and the pick company's and the folks who makes dry washers etc most of those people have mortgages to pay and if this Hobby dies so does the Industry that revolves around it, this problem won't just effect us, we are just the end user,

John

 

[Bjay]

I'm under no illusion that I can do anything about these situations but it is just so frustrating that 95% or more of the people do the right thing but the minority do the most damage to all the rest that do the right thing, problem is that the minority get the most attention . Sorry my ranting over but good to get it out

 

[Ridge Runner]

I'm under no illusion that I can do anything about these situations but it is just so frustrating that 95% or more of the people do the right thing but the minority do the most damage to all the rest that do the right thing, problem is that the minority get the most attention . Sorry my ranting over but good to get it out

You can do a lot about it, Divided we stand and all that ,,,,, And just by mentioning it and reminding people is doing something about it, because even talking about it will send a message to such Guilty parties, and they won't like to be made famous on here that's for sure.

That is why I said about what I do effects everyone else, We all have one thing in common and that is a desire to go detecting and that is all the fire power we need to keep this hobby Alive, If you see people doing such things then name and shame them, Digital cameras are a wonderful thing.

And it is no use the offending parties complaining because they know it's wrong just like every other bloke here does, Their Laziness becomes selfishness because once they have raided the place the will move to another place like flaming white ants and so on,

I would of thought it is in a mans best interest to protect something he spends so much money on and so much time doing, I am real sure If I catch anyone doing such things I will tear them a new one,

John

 

[NeilM]

Good comments.

Would it or should it be possible that the detector vendors give a list of "unwritten laws" or rules to everyone who purchase a detector.
I know I recently bought my first detector and the only rules I know are what I have read on the forum.

Even without reading I think I would have known to fill my holes anyway.

I went on the training day recently at WF and one old couple who had also purchased their first detector left holes everywhere (at first) the guy training put them straight quickly tho. Once they understood why holes should be filled they were cool.

They obviously never researched on forums or the like.

nm

 

[Ridge Runner]

Good comments.

Would it or should it be possible that the detector vendors give a list of "unwritten laws" or rules to everyone who purchase a detector.
I know I recently bought my first detector and the only rules I know are what I have read on the forum.

Even without reading I think I would have known to fill my holes anyway.

I went on the training day recently at WF and one old couple who had also purchased their first detector left holes everywhere (at first) the guy training put them straight quickly tho. Once they understood why holes should be filled they were cool.

They obviously never researched on forums or the like.

nm

Over here they have been handing out info on the correct way to do things for about 15 20 years or more. It's a good Idea because it keeps people doing the right thing,

john

 

[silver]

what an insight Neil.
Be no good handing out how to hunt info though, as you can lead a horse to water etc.(nothing like personal research though to define the hunter).
But I like the idea of rubbing their heads in an unfilled hole(so to speak).

 

[Ridge Runner]

Good comments.

Would it or should it be possible that the detector vendors give a list of "unwritten laws" or rules to everyone who purchase a detector.
I know I recently bought my first detector and the only rules I know are what I have read on the forum.

Even without reading I think I would have known to fill my holes anyway.

I went on the training day recently at WF and one old couple who had also purchased their first detector left holes everywhere (at first) the guy training put them straight quickly tho. Once they understood why holes should be filled they were cool.

They obviously never researched on forums or the like.

nm

There is Only One Rule and that is Respect,, Respect the Land, Respect the Land Owner and have Respect for others who Share this Hobby, and If you remember to have Respect In all that you do out there then you are doing the right thing. and all the other would be rules will fall in to place,

You will be just fine Niel,

Good luck out there,, john

 

[Nuggetbuster]

Good comments.

Would it or should it be possible that the detector vendors give a list of "unwritten laws" or rules to everyone who purchase a detector.

Minelab do this in their user manuals.

From page 80 of the GPX 5000 / GPX 4800 manual:

Back-fill Every Hole You Dig

Always refill any holes, and scatter leaves and surface debris, before leaving the area. Help restore the area to its original condition to help give electronic prospectors a good reputation, and also disguise your secret hot-spot! Any rubbish you recover should be taken away with you and disposed of properly.

Refilling holes and removing rubbish will help detector users maintain a good reputation. This should lead to more areas being readily accessible for prospecting.

Minelab also put stickers on their coils asking the user to fill their holes in. Coiltek also used to do this, but don't seem to any longer.

 

[Numb_Thumb]

Over here they have been handing out info on the correct way to do things for about 15 20 years or more. It's a good Idea because it keeps people doing the right thing,

john

Haha! yeh right RR, lets hand out the rules and all shall obey.........do you live under a rock?

Those that do the wrong thing, are well aware of the right thing to do!

It lies in the care factor!

 

[silver]

Yep, just say Care to look at your unfilled hole ,... then show them how to do it properly, nothing like a good bit of graphic instruction ,... it's like irrefutable evidence that can't be ignored ,... except by those that have narcissistic tendencies(and they, as we all know, are ,... beyond help.).

 

[LC76]

But at least handing out a basic list of rules with each purchase the lazy buggers have one less excuse.