Baden-Clay conviction

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Agreed Scrounger.

Paragraph 42 of the judgement worries me though as discusses proving motive and mentions the financial stress he was under. If there is motive then that can be applied to show murder.

Paragraph 42 says in parts:

"It is important to note that the Crown did not at trial contend that the killing of Mrs Baden-Clay was in any way premeditated or that the appellant might have been motivated by some benefit he stood to gain from his wifes death. ^5"

and footnote ^5 says this:

"Although there was evidence of an insurance policy on Mrs Baden-Clays life, the Crown at trial disavowed any suggestion that the appellant had killed her in order to benefit from it."

and

"It was not, of course, incumbent on the Crown to establish a motive, but to do so might have assisted in proving an intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm."

To me the Crown did not pursue strongly enough the old chestnut of murdering for money and to start a new life with his lover. The policy was worth a reported 800k which would have got him out of trouble by his level of debt. I sense a missed opportunity here by the crown to put him away for life and this has been implicitly noted by the judge.

Jon
 
Whatever the maximum charge and non-parole period are for manslaughter, I hope the judge/jury see fit to stick him with that. That would at least give some consolation to her devastated family.
 
"establish a motive" f@#K me, you are joking!!!!

that's why simple folk like me feel like we keep getting screwed over, when BS like this gets a scum bag like this off or a reduced sentence.......

Guys, murder is murder and no amount of legal BS will change that, motive or not he killed her....

My only hope is that no matter the sentence that he gets a big hairy cell mate name Ethel and he reminds this scum sucker every night (when the lights go out) why he's in there, if you know what I mean. I'd like to see him being some one else's bitch.

Cranky Bazz
 
That's what i'm getting at..
She died at his hands, not by accident like a car crash or drowning. He actually killed her and deprived her of her life and in the process probably destroyed the life of the kids and the parents on both sides. Put all the legal spins on it you like, he did it and then lied about it and dumped her body so he wouldn't get caught. If that doesn't take some intent then i don't know what does.
If he was truly innocent of an accidental manslaughter why didn't he call the cops and admit to it initially, or even call them after a day or so when he'd had a chance to calm down and see he was doing the wrong thing and come clean for everybody's sake.
I think people have a right to be disheartened by the 'poor' prosecuting and sentencing judgements where it seems to be a case of 'doing the right' thing by the law, and for the law, instead of by community expectations.
Hopefully the legal brigade don't see it as some sort of perverse game of one upmanship on each other to 'play' the system instead of doing what's right by the victims and the community in general.
I think the sentence he gets will be the true indicator of whether or not the system is stuffed.
 
Sad to say Scrounger the one upmanship and narcissistic superiorism is endemic in the legal system, and generally accounts for more than truth and justice.
It is so abjectly wrong that we have a system where money and privelige protect each other, where justice is for those who can afford the best lawyers, which just doesn't happen to be the poor or the innocent.
The law in Australia has been geared as a money making machine for the government, lawyers and judges, so why should they give a rats arse about justice?
 
Hmmm if it were my sister he killed I'd be hoping he gets out of gaol so I could take him on a one way deep sea fishing trip, all while being temporarilly insane of course!

Theoretically speaking though.
 
blisters said:
As long as he doesn't scratch your face when you're throwing him over you'll be fine.
Jon

100 years ago you wouldn't need to get your own revenge they would have hanged him by now, same as the Anita Cobby killers and Janine Balding killers. A lot of these types are trying to get parole after originally being sentenced never to be released, the thought of scum like these being set free makes me feel crook.
 
Unfortunately the legal system is just a game and how you play the rules which is what he is doing. P's me off as well. We're more attuned now to the notion of innocent until proven guilty so there is a higher burden of proof required which he is taking the most advantage of. The longer Allison was rotting under the bridge, so was the evidence that could be used to convict (or acquit) on a murder charge. He still has not admitted any guilt and probably never will and I guess he may even go further and challenge the manslaughter conviction - sentence reduction by baby steps.

The thing is while he may have successfully stifled everyone's understanding of what happened and lessened his sentence he is still convicted as killing Allison. Him still maintaining that the scratches on his face were caused by a razor and nothing else could never be believed by anyone particularly his kids/family so while he is reducing a sentence in one way, I reckon he is increasing it in another. But that only matters if he cares, he looks like he doesn't give a flying F about anyone else except himself.
Jon
 
It is >> the old there I was peeling me apple when she walked into my knife 25 times backwards
trick.
It is the Lawyers that have taken away, our way of life and freedom, they make money
we suffer. If the person is guilty and a "lawyer gets a person off" the lawyer should be charged as well.
 
Cheese said:
If the person is guilty and a "lawyer gets a person off" the lawyer should be charged as well.

A lawyer must and can only act on the instructions given by the client, and defend/prosecute to the best of his ability.
 
Bit crazy to comprehend. If you do not provide a duty of care to employees and they are killed you might be in front of the same judge and reach the same outcome. Manslaughter. Baffling.
 
Lets hope some of those in the system grow some balls and don't give up without a fight on this one. this bloke needs to serve some serious time imo.
 
SCROUNGER said:
Lets hope some of those in the system grow some balls and don't give up without a fight on this one. this bloke needs to serve some serious time imo.

Exactly right Scrounger, especially with all the domestic violence that happens, women are being killed everyday in violent relationships. What type of message is being conveyed if they let this bloke out?

Should be doing at least 25-30 years before parole, he gave up his right to life when he killed his poor wife.
 

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