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The Belubula River
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Paul
You got it Mick , well done
The Belubula River, a perennial river that is part of the Lachlan catchment within the MurrayDarling basin, is located in the central west region of New South Wales, Australia.
The river rises south of Vittoria, midway between Bathurst and Orange and generally flows south and west, joined by eight minor tributaries, flowing through Carcoar Lake where its flow is regulated, before reaching its mouth at the Lachlan River, east of Gooloogong; dropping 674 metres (2,211 ft) over its course of 165 kilometres (103 mi).[2]
The name is derived from the Australian Aboriginal meaning for stony river or big lagoon.[1] The original inhabitants of the land alongside the Belubula River are the Australian Aborigines of the Wiradjuri clan.[3]
Towns on the Belubula River, from its source towards its mouth, include Blayney, Carcoar, and Canowindra.
The Belubula River, a perennial river that is part of the Lachlan catchment within the MurrayDarling basin, is located in the central west region of New South Wales, Australia.
The river rises south of Vittoria, midway between Bathurst and Orange and generally flows south and west, joined by eight minor tributaries, flowing through Carcoar Lake where its flow is regulated, before reaching its mouth at the Lachlan River, east of Gooloogong; dropping 674 metres (2,211 ft) over its course of 165 kilometres (103 mi).[2]
The name is derived from the Australian Aboriginal meaning for stony river or big lagoon.[1] The original inhabitants of the land alongside the Belubula River are the Australian Aborigines of the Wiradjuri clan.[3]
Towns on the Belubula River, from its source towards its mouth, include Blayney, Carcoar, and Canowindra.
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Paul
Sorry RR yes, above sea level
OK,
I've been waiting for a turn to ask a question.
I have a reason for asking the following question and a story behind it which I will put up after it's answered correctly.
What were the names of the first Aussies captured by opposing forces during WW2 and what were the unusual circumstances involving their capture and release.
Cheers
Mick
I've been waiting for a turn to ask a question.
I have a reason for asking the following question and a story behind it which I will put up after it's answered correctly.
What were the names of the first Aussies captured by opposing forces during WW2 and what were the unusual circumstances involving their capture and release.
Cheers
Mick
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Nice one HB? Never heard of it before. Cheers.
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Paul
Dr Dowie, then Flying Officer Dowie, was the sole survivor when his Hudson bomber was shot down in the first days of the war in the Pacific. He drifted in the ocean for two days following the crash before being picked up by a Japanese ship and becoming the first RAAF prisoner of war. Around mid-1942 he was moved to Changi prison and later worked on the Burma-Thailand Railway.
He was released at the end of the Second World War and returned to Australia where he became a doctor.
He was released at the end of the Second World War and returned to Australia where he became a doctor.
Not correct HB. Before then.
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Paul
Hard question Mick , too may variables
Probably need to break this into 2 parts , 1st is to work out which battle & region , then try to find the names
Probably need to break this into 2 parts , 1st is to work out which battle & region , then try to find the names
Hint, POW
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Paul
1940 on 9 August, three volunteers from Hobart went ashore in response to an urgent request for artillery support for the hard-pressed garrison. Petty Officer Hugh Jones from Kalgoorlie, Western Australia, Able Seaman William James Hurren from Sydney, New South Wales, and Able Seaman Hugh Charles Sweeny from Dalby, Queensland were landed with a 3-pounder Hotchkiss saluting gun on an improvised mounting, a reinforced 44-gallon drum.
By early the next morning they were in position, manning the gun and dressed in military uniform on the main British defence line at Tug Argan Gap, some 60 kilometres south of Berbera. The fighting continued during the next five days but when the British evacuated between 15-19 August, the three Australian sailors were reported missing believed killed in action 15/8/40. Instead, they had been captured by the Italians, the first members of an Australian unit taken prisoner of war (POW) during World War II.
Meanwhile Captain Howden, who had been put in charge of the evacuation from British Somaliland, mustered all vessels at his disposal to evacuate more than 7,000 soldiers and civilians from the path of the Italians. After Berbera had been cleared and anything of value demolished, Hobarts guns pounded the shores before departing and leaving British Somaliland temporarily in Italian hands.
The three POWs from HMAS Hobart were recovered from Adi Ugri in Eritrea on 29 April 1941 after Italian East Africa fell to the British. Able Seaman Hurrens personnel file records the advice of their release:
By early the next morning they were in position, manning the gun and dressed in military uniform on the main British defence line at Tug Argan Gap, some 60 kilometres south of Berbera. The fighting continued during the next five days but when the British evacuated between 15-19 August, the three Australian sailors were reported missing believed killed in action 15/8/40. Instead, they had been captured by the Italians, the first members of an Australian unit taken prisoner of war (POW) during World War II.
Meanwhile Captain Howden, who had been put in charge of the evacuation from British Somaliland, mustered all vessels at his disposal to evacuate more than 7,000 soldiers and civilians from the path of the Italians. After Berbera had been cleared and anything of value demolished, Hobarts guns pounded the shores before departing and leaving British Somaliland temporarily in Italian hands.
The three POWs from HMAS Hobart were recovered from Adi Ugri in Eritrea on 29 April 1941 after Italian East Africa fell to the British. Able Seaman Hurrens personnel file records the advice of their release:
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Paul
released and now safe in Massawa. Passage to Australia will be arranged first opportunity
Got it HB.
Now for my story.
This has taken me on a bit of a nostalgia trip guys so I apologize for the late and rather large reply. Read on.
I was told this story by family members as a child and had forgotten all about it until, on Tuesday this week, in a book Im currently reading called
The Silent Service by Ion l Idriess, I came across a chapter in which Hugh Jones in his own words recounts The Battle of Tugargan Gap .
It describes how he and two others were chosen from 251 other volunteers aboard the HMAS Hobart, to take a 3 Hotchkiss gun with makeshift mounts ashore to help bolster the retreating British rear guard against the advancing Italian forces while the British were evacuating British Somaliland.
They held them off for a few days until they were overwhelmed by the Italians and then became the first Aussies to be taken as POWs. http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/farflung/firstpows.html
The reason I chose this question is because I have a personal interest in this. Hugh Jones was my Uncle.
He passed away in the mid 70's and I remember his funeral service at the big church on King Georges RD at Hurstville was a huge affair.
I have done some research on this tonight and found a heap of newspaper articles in Trove about the operation.
Here are some.
Saturday 24th August 1940
Cable Told Of Death, Not Marriage.
Opening a cable expecting to read that her petty officer son was coming home to get married
Mrs. Jones, of Padbury Terrace, Midland Junction learned on Thursday that he was missing and believed killed in British Somaliland.
Petty Officer Hugh Jones and two ratings of H.M.A.S. Hobart are the first members of the-Australian Defence Forces believed to have been killed in a land battle since the war began.
On the outbreak of war Petty Officer Jones, who was 20, was about to marry a Sydney girl. (my Aunty)
The wedding day was fixed, the bride, and bridesmaids had their frocks, and he had his leave.
But if the wedding had taken place he would have missed his ship, as due to the declaration' of war it was to sail at short notice.
So Jones postponed his marriage.
The day before yesterday Mrs. Jones received a letter from her son saying that leave was being arranged so that he could return and get married. He would send a cable when it was fixed.
NAVAL CASUALTIES.
AUSTRALIANS BELIEVED KILLED.
LONDON, Oct. 20. (A.A.P.)
A general casualty list issued by the Admiralty includes 34 officers and 103 ratings killed, eight officers and 103 ratings missing, and 13 officers and 280 ratings wounded.
In addition, Able Seamen William J. Hurrcn and Hugh C. Sweeney and Petty Officer Hugh Jones, all of the Royal Australian Navy, are missing and are presumed to have been killed.
Thursday 17th April 1941
R.A.N. HEROES SAFE
News of the safety of three heroes of the Royal Australian Navy, of whom nothing definite had been heard since they made front-page news by volunteering to stay behind and man a three pounder gun to stem the Italian advance during the evacuation of British Somaliland In August, was contained in a cryptic cable received by the Australian Red Cross Society yesterday.
The message from Colonel H. E Cohen, Red Cross Commissioner in the Middle East, which read: "Prisoners of war Jones, Sweeney, Hurren released, "referred to Petty-Officer Hugh Jones, of Midland Junction (W.A.); Able-Seaman Charles Sweeney, of Annerley, Brisbane and Able-Seaman W. J. Hunen, of Bulimba, Brisbane, all of H.M.A.S. Hobart.
The three men were chosen from 100 volunteers for their task. They were mentioned in Admiralty despatches, but were reported missing and believed killed. Later they were reported prisoners of war, but the cable yesterday was the first news of them received since October.
Friday 23rd May 1941
R.A.N. MEN BACK HOME.
Were Prisoners at Berbera.
Chief Quarter master Hugh Jones, of the Australian cruiser Hobart, who, with Able Seamen Hugh Sweeney and William Hurren, both of Brisbane, were captured by the Italians when covering the retreat of the garrison in British Somaliland on August 15, arrived in Perth to-day.
They had not received a scratch In the battle at Berbera where they were supposed to have been killed.
Quartermaster Jones escaped after being prisoner, but was recaptured and all three were taken to Abyssinia.
The Italians did not treat them very well, their only food being two daily meals of macaroni.
Friday 23rd May 1941
SURPRISE FOR MOTHER
Perth, Thursday.Petty Officer Hugh Jones, of the Australian Navy, gave his mother a surprise today when, without knowing that he even was on the way home, she opened the door and saw him standing before her. Jones and two companions were taken prisoner in British Somaliland last year, but were released when the British regained it.
Cheers
Mick
Now for my story.
This has taken me on a bit of a nostalgia trip guys so I apologize for the late and rather large reply. Read on.
I was told this story by family members as a child and had forgotten all about it until, on Tuesday this week, in a book Im currently reading called
The Silent Service by Ion l Idriess, I came across a chapter in which Hugh Jones in his own words recounts The Battle of Tugargan Gap .
It describes how he and two others were chosen from 251 other volunteers aboard the HMAS Hobart, to take a 3 Hotchkiss gun with makeshift mounts ashore to help bolster the retreating British rear guard against the advancing Italian forces while the British were evacuating British Somaliland.
They held them off for a few days until they were overwhelmed by the Italians and then became the first Aussies to be taken as POWs. http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/farflung/firstpows.html
The reason I chose this question is because I have a personal interest in this. Hugh Jones was my Uncle.
He passed away in the mid 70's and I remember his funeral service at the big church on King Georges RD at Hurstville was a huge affair.
I have done some research on this tonight and found a heap of newspaper articles in Trove about the operation.
Here are some.
Saturday 24th August 1940
Cable Told Of Death, Not Marriage.
Opening a cable expecting to read that her petty officer son was coming home to get married
Mrs. Jones, of Padbury Terrace, Midland Junction learned on Thursday that he was missing and believed killed in British Somaliland.
Petty Officer Hugh Jones and two ratings of H.M.A.S. Hobart are the first members of the-Australian Defence Forces believed to have been killed in a land battle since the war began.
On the outbreak of war Petty Officer Jones, who was 20, was about to marry a Sydney girl. (my Aunty)
The wedding day was fixed, the bride, and bridesmaids had their frocks, and he had his leave.
But if the wedding had taken place he would have missed his ship, as due to the declaration' of war it was to sail at short notice.
So Jones postponed his marriage.
The day before yesterday Mrs. Jones received a letter from her son saying that leave was being arranged so that he could return and get married. He would send a cable when it was fixed.
NAVAL CASUALTIES.
AUSTRALIANS BELIEVED KILLED.
LONDON, Oct. 20. (A.A.P.)
A general casualty list issued by the Admiralty includes 34 officers and 103 ratings killed, eight officers and 103 ratings missing, and 13 officers and 280 ratings wounded.
In addition, Able Seamen William J. Hurrcn and Hugh C. Sweeney and Petty Officer Hugh Jones, all of the Royal Australian Navy, are missing and are presumed to have been killed.
Thursday 17th April 1941
R.A.N. HEROES SAFE
News of the safety of three heroes of the Royal Australian Navy, of whom nothing definite had been heard since they made front-page news by volunteering to stay behind and man a three pounder gun to stem the Italian advance during the evacuation of British Somaliland In August, was contained in a cryptic cable received by the Australian Red Cross Society yesterday.
The message from Colonel H. E Cohen, Red Cross Commissioner in the Middle East, which read: "Prisoners of war Jones, Sweeney, Hurren released, "referred to Petty-Officer Hugh Jones, of Midland Junction (W.A.); Able-Seaman Charles Sweeney, of Annerley, Brisbane and Able-Seaman W. J. Hunen, of Bulimba, Brisbane, all of H.M.A.S. Hobart.
The three men were chosen from 100 volunteers for their task. They were mentioned in Admiralty despatches, but were reported missing and believed killed. Later they were reported prisoners of war, but the cable yesterday was the first news of them received since October.
Friday 23rd May 1941
R.A.N. MEN BACK HOME.
Were Prisoners at Berbera.
Chief Quarter master Hugh Jones, of the Australian cruiser Hobart, who, with Able Seamen Hugh Sweeney and William Hurren, both of Brisbane, were captured by the Italians when covering the retreat of the garrison in British Somaliland on August 15, arrived in Perth to-day.
They had not received a scratch In the battle at Berbera where they were supposed to have been killed.
Quartermaster Jones escaped after being prisoner, but was recaptured and all three were taken to Abyssinia.
The Italians did not treat them very well, their only food being two daily meals of macaroni.
Friday 23rd May 1941
SURPRISE FOR MOTHER
Perth, Thursday.Petty Officer Hugh Jones, of the Australian Navy, gave his mother a surprise today when, without knowing that he even was on the way home, she opened the door and saw him standing before her. Jones and two companions were taken prisoner in British Somaliland last year, but were released when the British regained it.
Cheers
Mick
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Paul
Great story there Mick , thanks for sharing
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Paul
Which ship was the first to sink in Australian waters ?
Until I started researching the incident I couldn't remember all the details I was told as a kid.
Pretty amazing hay!!!! If I didn't read that book I would never have remembered.
Your go mate.
Pretty amazing hay!!!! If I didn't read that book I would never have remembered.
Your go mate.
Great story and thanks for sharing it with us, the great thing i have found while researching the great questions you blokes have been asking, is a greater knowledge and the surprises about our great history
I agree Duck,the duck said:
We truly live in an amazing place!
As far as Hugh Jones goes if you go here and click on the photo in the left top, he is in centre shot just to the right of the muzzle of the gun.
http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/farflung/firstpows.html
http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/farflung/firstpows.html
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Which ship was the first to sink in Australian waters ?
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