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What was the name and age of the youngest male convict transported to Australia, what did he steal and what was listed as his "occupation"?
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[Edit: other sources indicate the youngest ever was female, I want the "youngest male"]
Au (off to bed, so you have all night to think about it
)[Edit: other sources indicate the youngest ever was female, I want the "youngest male"]
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John Hudson, 9 years old(born 1833). Convicted and sentenced for a term of 7 years for 'Stealing from the person'. I believe he stole clothes and his occupation was Labourer.
Shipped to Australia as one of 262 convicts on the Clara on the 19th of March 1857, arriving in Western Australia on the 19th of November.
Shipped to Australia as one of 262 convicts on the Clara on the 19th of March 1857, arriving in Western Australia on the 19th of November.
Pretty close dog, here's what I have from the book "The Crimes of the First Fleet of Convicts" by John Cobley, 1970.
Place and date of trial: Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice Willes at Justice Hall in the Old Bailey at the Sessions which began on Wednesday, 10 December 1783. (Other sources have 9 October 1782)
Crimes and sentences: "John Hudson (A child of 9 years) was indicted for burglariously and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of William Holdsworth at the hour of one in the night, on the 10th of October last, and feloniously stealing therein, one linen shirt, value 10s, five silk stockings, value 5s, one pistol, valus 5s, and two aprons, value 2s, the property of the said William."
Court to jury: The boy's confession may be admitted, in evidence, but we must take it with every allowance and at the utmost it only proves he was in the house; now he might have got in after day-break, as the prosecutor was not informed of it till eight the next morning. The only thing that fixes this boy with the robbery is the pistol found in the sink; that might not have put there by the boy; his confession with respect to how he came there, I do not think should be allowed, because it was made under fear. I think it would be too hard to find a boy of his tender age guilty of the burglary; one would wish to snatch such a boy, if one possibly could, from destruction, for he will only return to the same kind of life which he has lead before, and will an instrument to the hands of very bad people, who make use of boys of that sort to rob houses.
Guilty of the felony, but not of the burglary. Transported for 7 years.
Sentence recorded at the end of the same sessions.
Occupation: "sometime a chimney sweeper"
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So according to the references, the boy confessed to both the burglary and stealing. But as the confession was taken in fear, he was let off the burglary. So all we had as evidence was a pistol found in a sink - where were the other items reported to be stolen by the boy? Not a very fair trial for a kid of that age.
Anyway, your go dog.
Au
Place and date of trial: Tried by the first Middlesex Jury before Mr. Justice Willes at Justice Hall in the Old Bailey at the Sessions which began on Wednesday, 10 December 1783. (Other sources have 9 October 1782)
Crimes and sentences: "John Hudson (A child of 9 years) was indicted for burglariously and feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of William Holdsworth at the hour of one in the night, on the 10th of October last, and feloniously stealing therein, one linen shirt, value 10s, five silk stockings, value 5s, one pistol, valus 5s, and two aprons, value 2s, the property of the said William."
Court to jury: The boy's confession may be admitted, in evidence, but we must take it with every allowance and at the utmost it only proves he was in the house; now he might have got in after day-break, as the prosecutor was not informed of it till eight the next morning. The only thing that fixes this boy with the robbery is the pistol found in the sink; that might not have put there by the boy; his confession with respect to how he came there, I do not think should be allowed, because it was made under fear. I think it would be too hard to find a boy of his tender age guilty of the burglary; one would wish to snatch such a boy, if one possibly could, from destruction, for he will only return to the same kind of life which he has lead before, and will an instrument to the hands of very bad people, who make use of boys of that sort to rob houses.
Guilty of the felony, but not of the burglary. Transported for 7 years.
Sentence recorded at the end of the same sessions.
Occupation: "sometime a chimney sweeper"
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So according to the references, the boy confessed to both the burglary and stealing. But as the confession was taken in fear, he was let off the burglary. So all we had as evidence was a pistol found in a sink - where were the other items reported to be stolen by the boy? Not a very fair trial for a kid of that age.
Anyway, your go dog.
Au
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Who was the man hanged most times in Australia? When, where and what was his crime/s?
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Joseph Samuel was born in England and later transported to Australia after committing a robbery in 1801. Samuel then became involved in a gang in Sydney and robbed the home of a wealthy woman. A policeman who had been sent to protect her home was murdered. The gang was soon caught and at the trial Joseph Samuel confessed to stealing the goods but denied being part of the murder. The leader of the gang was released due to lack of evidence and Joseph Samuel was sentenced to death by hanging. In 1803, Samuel and another criminal were driven in a cart to Parramatta where hundreds of people came to watch the hanging. After praying, the cart on which they were standing drove off, but instead of being hanged, the rope around Samuels neck snapped! The executioner tried again. This time, the rope slipped and his legs touched the ground. With the crowd in an uproar, the executioner tried for the third time and the rope snapped again. This time, an officer galloped off to tell the Governor what had happened and his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. The Governor and others believed that it was a sign from God that Samuel should not be hanged.Interesting Fact: Samuel was one of Australias earliest Jewish settlers and became known as the man they could not hang.
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Matt
Spot on Ramjet.
Apparently they tested the rope later using seven 56lb weights. Even when two of its three main strands were cut it showed no signs of breaking.
Three years later Samuels escaped with 7 other prisoners from Newcastle in an open boat. None of them were ever seen again.
Your turn.
Apparently they tested the rope later using seven 56lb weights. Even when two of its three main strands were cut it showed no signs of breaking.
Three years later Samuels escaped with 7 other prisoners from Newcastle in an open boat. None of them were ever seen again.
Your turn.
Early 1600s. Name 2 famous explorers who almost discovered Australia.
Willem Janszoon aboard the Duyfken
Lus Vaz de Torres, working for the Spanish Crown, sighted Australia when he sailed through the Torres Strait several months later, in October 1606.
Lus Vaz de Torres, working for the Spanish Crown, sighted Australia when he sailed through the Torres Strait several months later, in October 1606.
Yes for Tores
No for Jansoon ... He actually landed I believe.
I knew there would be more than 2 :8
RR
No for Jansoon ... He actually landed I believe.
I knew there would be more than 2 :8
RR
Frederick de Houtman
Not who I had in mind but add to the list.
Famous guy.
Famous guy.
Able tasman
Well done Duck
YOU WOULDNT THINK THAT something as conspicuous, as patently there, as Australia could escape the worlds attention almost to the modern age, but there you are. It did. Less than twenty years before the founding of Sydney it was still essentially unknown. For nearly three hundred years explorers had been looking for a conjectured southern continent, Terra Australis Incognitasome commodious mass that would at least partly counterbalance all that land that covered the northern half of the globe. In every instance one of two things happened: either they found it and didnt know they had or they missed it altogether. In 1606 a Spanish mariner named Luis Vaez de Torres sailed across the Pacific from South America and straight into the narrow channel (now called the Torres Strait) that separates Australia from New Guinea without having the faintest idea that he had just done the nautical equivalent of threading a needle. Thirty-six years later the Dutchman Abel Tasman was sent to look for the fabled South Land and managed to sail two thousand miles along the underside of Australia without detecting that a substantial landmass lay just over the left-hand horizon. Eventually he bumped into Tasmania (which he called Van Diemens Land after his superior at the Dutch East India Company) and went on to discover New Zealand and Fiji, but it was not a successful voyage.
YOU WOULDNT THINK THAT something as conspicuous, as patently there, as Australia could escape the worlds attention almost to the modern age, but there you are. It did. Less than twenty years before the founding of Sydney it was still essentially unknown. For nearly three hundred years explorers had been looking for a conjectured southern continent, Terra Australis Incognitasome commodious mass that would at least partly counterbalance all that land that covered the northern half of the globe. In every instance one of two things happened: either they found it and didnt know they had or they missed it altogether. In 1606 a Spanish mariner named Luis Vaez de Torres sailed across the Pacific from South America and straight into the narrow channel (now called the Torres Strait) that separates Australia from New Guinea without having the faintest idea that he had just done the nautical equivalent of threading a needle. Thirty-six years later the Dutchman Abel Tasman was sent to look for the fabled South Land and managed to sail two thousand miles along the underside of Australia without detecting that a substantial landmass lay just over the left-hand horizon. Eventually he bumped into Tasmania (which he called Van Diemens Land after his superior at the Dutch East India Company) and went on to discover New Zealand and Fiji, but it was not a successful voyage.
What had the prisoners in the graytown prisoner of war camp done, and what has this to do with a pistol found in 2007 at red bluff in Western australia
A bush wood cutting camp was established at Camp 6 Graytown POW Camp in the Tatura District during World War 2. Approximately 250 Italian and then German POW's were detained at Camp 6 Graytown POW Camp. The German POW's were mostly crew members from the German raider ship "Kormoran" which had sunk HMAS Sydney off the Western Australian coast. Some Finnish seamen were also held at Camp 6 Graytown
HSK Kormoran artefacts: During the 2007 Easter period, 19-year old Geraldton surfer Tom Goddard discovered the remains of a handgun while diving to search for lost fishing lures at Red Bluff, Quobba Station 130 km north of Carnarvon, Western Australia. Shortly after this discovery he reported this find to the Western Australian Museum.
Subject to authentication the find was deemed to have state and national significance as Red Bluff was a known landing spot for 57 survivors of the HSK Kormoran German raider that engaged the Australian light cruiser HMAS Sydney in a fierce battle off the Western Australian coast on 19 November 1941, and resulted in both ships sinking each other.
HSK Kormoran artefacts: During the 2007 Easter period, 19-year old Geraldton surfer Tom Goddard discovered the remains of a handgun while diving to search for lost fishing lures at Red Bluff, Quobba Station 130 km north of Carnarvon, Western Australia. Shortly after this discovery he reported this find to the Western Australian Museum.
Subject to authentication the find was deemed to have state and national significance as Red Bluff was a known landing spot for 57 survivors of the HSK Kormoran German raider that engaged the Australian light cruiser HMAS Sydney in a fierce battle off the Western Australian coast on 19 November 1941, and resulted in both ships sinking each other.
Correct well done ramjet
Who used these words, among others, while doing his job.
scumbags, pieces of criminal garbage, sleazebags, stupid foul-mouthed grubs, piss-ants, mangy maggot, perfumed gigolos, gutless spivs, boxheads, immoral cheats, and stunned mullets
scumbags, pieces of criminal garbage, sleazebags, stupid foul-mouthed grubs, piss-ants, mangy maggot, perfumed gigolos, gutless spivs, boxheads, immoral cheats, and stunned mullets
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