4500 V's 6000

[user 12139]

went for a swing the other day in the same paddock with a buddy who just bought a 6000, I was using my 45, here's the results.
Must admit I didnt pocket all my finds, though my buddy did. I tossed a boot tack, piece of soft copper and a few more BBs
Coils.. he used the stock 11", I used a 10"

I aint parting with my 45 any time soon!

 

[user 22230]

Have to ask, why toss the rubbish back ? Much nicer to cart it out hey ?

 

[Golden_Smoky]

I'd be interested to know more as a Minelab 4500 owner and happy with it, please.

 

[Redfin]

Both will find most, it's a matter of walking over it.

 

[limpalot]

I have both, the weight of the 6000 does make detecting easier on my back. I love my 4500 and have found small gold with it, the 6000 I have found more smaller buckshot that I have gone over with the 4500; small gold too. The coil selection for the 4500 is massive and will get you good gold , big and small and deep. You have to start somewhere, so the 4500 is as good as you can get. If can afford it, get a 5000, or a 6000.
I am having fun with the divining rods too. They picked up a 1913 Shilling , and the 6000 spotted it.

 

[stevewilko]

I'll bet the 6000"s haul was the watchband and blue cuff hands offerings!

 

[user 12139]

I'll bet the 6000"s haul was the watchband and blue cuff hands offerings!

Yep

 

[Golden_Smoky]

Thanks peoples'. I'll stick to my 4500 and now on a pension it's out of reach to buy into anything else, of course, if enough of the yellow can be found I'll go buy a 6000 but won't hold my breath on finding enough to do such a shopping trip.

 

[Hawkear]

Using an 8” round on the 5000 and finding stuff my 2300 passed over. Usually just a tad deeper though.
4500 should be just fine with the right coil.

 

[mtrascal2000]

I use a 12” mono on my 4500, picks up plenty of small, got a .17 piece the other day and also a lot of small and large pieces of rubbish.

 

[user 12139]

aint nothing wrong with a 45 or 5000 compared to the 6000. They may miss the odd little tinker but I think with the right coil choice they are still a very capable & competitive machine. You also need to remember, you have the added punch with big coils on a GPX too. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I aint ever getting rid of my 45. Do not ever discount the performance of a ML 11" mono on a GPX either!

 

[EVIE/BEE]

They're all pulse induction.
Just a few different timings. Minelab could put the timings of a 2300 a ZED or a 6000 into an SD a GP or a GPX.

But they're making progress.
I'm just a synic.

 

[WalnLiz]

aint nothing wrong with a 45 or 5000 compared to the 6000. They may miss the odd little tinker but I think with the right coil choice they are still a very capable & competitive machine. You also need to remember, you have the added punch with big coils on a GPX too. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I aint ever getting rid of my 45. Do not ever discount the performance of a ML 11" mono on a GPX either!

Have to agree with you there BigL ....ran 4500's and 5000's since they first came out. Ran a "Z" for long enough to make me realize that though they are a good machine, they are not worth10k. {pros didn't outweigh the cons by all that much} and played with the 6000...just because I like playing with new toys and came up with the opinion that they are presently not worth the 8k you pay for them over a well set up 5000 in the hands of an experienced operator.

Many will disagree with me, but in my opinion I would never sell my 5k any time soon. The day will surely come when a machine will come out that leaves the 5k for dead with new technology and I will retire my 5k....of that I am sure....but that time has not yet come.

Which ever machine one uses it's the experience gained in fully understanding that machine that gives one the edge over the next machine. Be it a 5k, 6k, or 7k.....in the right hands they are all deadly and in the wrong hands they are not going to give you consistent results. Operator skills generally make the biggest difference.

 

[clodmac]

Can't disagree with any of that Wal , just imagine for a second what a 45/5000 with higher fine gold or enhance frequency could do with a 12x8 evo , then just imagine for a second what a 45/5000 with lower fine gold or enhance frequency could do with a 15 inch evo , in the hands of an experienced operator . Pretty sure many will disagree with me as well but such a thing does exist .

 

[madmax800jw]

Can't disagree with any of that Wal , just imagine for a second what a 45/5000 with higher fine gold or enhance frequency could do with a 12x8 evo , then just imagine for a second what a 45/5000 with lower fine gold or enhance frequency could do with a 15 inch evo , in the hands of an experienced operator . Pretty sure many will disagree with me as well but such a thing does exist .

I got a 4500 and a 6000.
The 4500 watches my vehicle while the 6000 finds me gold.

 

[clodmac]

I got a 4500 and a 6000.
The 4500 watches my vehicle while the 6000 finds me gold.

Here we go , I wasn't talking about a 6000 Madmax , you can't put a 15 inch evo on it and run it at a lower frequency in enhance or fine gold , I am happy you like the 6 so much though .

 

[user 12139]

I got a 4500 and a 6000.
The 4500 watches my vehicle while the 6000 finds me gold.

a huge majority of people, right from the get go with a GPX dish the ML 11" and go aftermarket coils, then they claim a 6000 with its STOCK coil wins hands down. Had they bothered to learn the GPX properly with the coil its was designed and supplied with, just as majority do with a 6000, I'd say there'd be a different consensus. Admittingly the 6000 is an easier machine to learn, but that doesn’t make it more successful or a better machine at finding gold. Rewards come to those who put in an effort - take that which ever way you please

 

[Redfin]

The 11" commander coil is a brilliant coil, as is the 15" X 12".
Most shun them from the beginning and just waste dollars on aftermarket coils.
By all means buy different sizes etc to suit different search methods (paddock/heavy scrub etc),
But master the commanders first, just on factory presets, and learn your machine (GPX).

 

[WalnLiz]

The 11" commander coil is a brilliant coil, as is the 15" X 12".
Most shun them from the beginning and just waste dollars on aftermarket coils.
By all means buy different sizes etc to suit different search methods (paddock/heavy scrub etc),
But master the commanders first, just on factory presets, and learn your machine (GPX).

You're right Redfin....the Commander coils are great and its those that have mastered the timings to the soil conditions and coil size that only get better with time on the machine. I eventually went to the EVO coils and did a hell of a lot of comparisons with them since they first came out, and have come to the conclusion that an edge is certainly offered by using them.. The 5k is tried and proven over a very long time and like I have said earlier, in the hands of the experienced ticks nearly all of the boxes.

 

[Hawkear]

Have Minelab claimed any significant difference in the technology behind the 45/5000, 2300 and 6000? I don’t think so and that would suggest that the 2300 and 6000 are marketed with just optimized settings, and coils and perhaps componentry, but with the same technology developed for the 45/5000 range.
When I first started with a 2300 I was very impressed at how effective it was on small gold compared to a 5000.
Recently I have gone back to a 5000 and using a Commander 8” round mono (same size as the 8” 2300 coil), I was amazed at how much its performance on small gold was improved - almost to the level of the 2300. It was just that I had never previously had an 8” coil to realise the potential of a coil of that size to improve small gold performance on the 5000
I say almost but not quite in terms of nugget numbers but then it also showed up an advantage in that it picked up some deeper nuggets that the 2300 had missed when I went over ground previously done by my 2300.
Going over that ground again in Deep and although a pain to operate in that mode, I was able to successfully extract even more nuggets.
Don’t get me wrong, I still have my 2300 as it still retains some advantage on extremely small nuggets and I am certainly not knocking the 6000 as I don’t have one (yet).
Has anyone done or could point to a “fair” you tube side by side comparison between the 6000 and 45/5000 on various size nuggets and depths which would provide more definition of the performance differences? Is it likely that, as with my direct experience with the 5000 vs 2300, some advantages and disadvantages will be found each way?