4500 V's 6000

[clodmac]

Have also seen a significant piece of wiry specimen gold that produced a very weak signal on a 4500 although actually found with one. The finder said it was extremely shallow.
My own experience of non signals was with a bit of radiator coil. The types that there used to be in bar radiators. Going over some broken bits of the radiator wire coil easily seen sitting on the surface, I could not get a signal. Must have been something to do with the way the wire was wound into a coil.
Perhaps the same effect with the behavior of wiry gold or when gold is interconnected within a specimen that the reaction field can cancelled out or be vectored away from the metal detectors coil.

Geoff , spot on and great example
Cheers Clod

 

[clodmac]

Clod if your happy with your gear and the results then all's good lad I'll follow you anytime
ps A lot of the times I go over an old patch I'm not sure even if a different detector is the key to more or simply mother nature has removed that one or two cm of material since that previously had just put those lovely little shiny bits just out of reach ?

Diginit
All good mate , where we are we will need a flood of biblical proportions to remove a couple of inches to freshen up the old patches , lucky for us there is a guy called Noah who used to hang around MT Ararat , we can sit it out there it's not far out of town .
cheers Clod

 

[Bora68]

Hi Diginit , I will slightly correct my claim that I am pretty sure I would not have found that much more gold with a 6 or a 7 than what I have found with my 5000 .
I am certain that I would not of found that much more gold with a 6 or 7 .
As an example I/ we have a place close to Ararat called Snake Hill it is in the regional park , I'm pretty sure I am not giving any secrets away about that , It's in all the secret books and marked clearly on all the secret Doug Stone maps .
It's 5 minutes from home and I go there to test/try things out , the reason being it has been flogged by a lot of people for a lot of years with all types of machines dating back probably 40 years . EMI is an issue being not far from the highway and not a long way from One Tree Hill which has some communications towers which probably contribute as well .
As testament to the flogging it has had there is a patch there you will struggle to find a shotgun pellet of any size , the specific patch I am referring to is a surfaced area 10 metres by 20 metres taken down to the clay . It is obvious to every detectorist that goes there . hence the lack of targets .
In March this year I went there 4 times with my 5000 ( modified by the mechanic ) to test the machine fitted with a 12 in round evo and a new 12x8 evo . The 8 bits of gold in my avatar weigh half a gram exactly and were found on this patch with that machine and coils .
Over those 4 trips I would of worked that area for perhaps 8 hours and found 30 bits of gold and 15 or 16 very small shotgun pellets . The gold weighed 4point 8 grams the biggest being point 7 at depth in a small remnant area of quartz gravel/wash , I also found another 4 or 5 grams a couple of hundred metres away over a larger area that you wouldn't class as a patch .
10 of the shotgun pellets weighed 1 point 6 between them the other 5 or 6 were slightly bigger .
I went back again for a further couple of hours and found 1 or 2 shotgun pellets over the whole patch and was certain I had not missed much that the machine was capable of finding in my hands .
A mate of mine has a 6000 and as mates do I showed him exactly where i had found the gold , he spent a fair few hours there one day and found 8 or 10 bits for about a gram a bit further down the hill from where I got most of the bits I found . Some were in the same area I was concentrating on , no argument there , did he find much more , no

Last week I went back to that same patch with another one of the "mechanics" modified machines known as the f1a4 L4 it's best described as a quiet running machine capable of finding SDC size gold with the same ground handling abilities but better handling of EMI and works well with NF coils . The purpose of the trip was to test a sadie coil and some headphones and see if there was still any gold left in the now wet red clay . It was the first trip to the patch with the F1 , did i find gold , the answer is yes , 4 bits from point 05 to point 22 for a total of point 55 .
The next question I ask myself is , Would I have found all the bits that I got with my 5000 , and my mate got with the 6000 out of the defined patch with the F1 . The honest answer would be probably not , the .7 gram bit at depth that no one else had ever heard may of been been out of reach as well as a couple of deeper point 2s and 3s. that no one else had ever heard .

I can find little bits between .05 g and point 2 or 3 g in wet red clay from the surface to 6 - 8 inchs down with my machines in that flogged location , that have never been dug up by anyone else with any other machine . From the little I know about the game I doubt the gold goes much deeper in the clay in that location .

Do I need a machine worth 4 x the value of my work ute to find small gold , no

Fair chance this chapter about small gold in my area may start an argument , the next chapter will be about another specific patch on private property where we have been using the 5 , 6 and 7 . that has had a bit less of a hammering but has still seen plenty of detectors over the last 30 years that I know of .

Cheers Clod

A very interesting read. Thanks . Have been thinking about upgrading from a 4500 to a 7000 but your experiences make me think i just need to improve my understanding and handling of the 4500.

 

[clodmac]

A very interesting read. Thanks . Have been thinking about upgrading from a 4500 to a 7000 but your experiences make me think i just need to improve my understanding and handling of the 4500.

Bora , if you are not sure about how to get the best out of your current machine no matter what it is and you don't have an experienced/successful mate to show you the best investment you will ever make is to spend some money on training . A couple of hundred bucks or less for a few hours with a reputable teacher in a small group ,2 or 3 max will help a lot . The reason I say small group is so you get more 1-1 tuition , If you go out with 10 people with little or no experience the trainer has to spend most of there available time getting them going .
If you don't live close handy to the gold fields you can waste a heap of money and time getting any experience on the ground , the money you spend on (quality) training will get you more gold , quicker than spending heaps on a machine that still requires understanding .
There's probably 100 guys and girls on here that can tell you what to do , but if they're not standing beside you on the ground , in the gold field and able to see what you do right or wrong in the specific area you are at the time they can't show you .
4500s with a 12 inch evo still find plenty of gold . A local retiree found a 2kg nugget he called the "You wouldn't believe it " nugget a couple of years ago down deep with that machine and coil .
Cheers Clod

 

[Mackka]

Bora , if you are not sure about how to get the best out of your current machine no matter what it is and you don't have an experienced/successful mate to show you the best investment you will ever make is to spend some money on training . A couple of hundred bucks or less for a few hours with a reputable teacher in a small group ,2 or 3 max will help a lot . The reason I say small group is so you get more 1-1 tuition , If you go out with 10 people with little or no experience the trainer has to spend most of there available time getting them going .
If you don't live close handy to the gold fields you can waste a heap of money and time getting any experience on the ground , the money you spend on (quality) training will get you more gold , quicker than spending heaps on a machine that still requires understanding .
There's probably 100 guys and girls on here that can tell you what to do , but if they're not standing beside you on the ground , in the gold field and able to see what you do right or wrong in the specific area you are at the time they can't show you .
4500s with a 12 inch evo still find plenty of gold . A local retiree found a 2kg nugget he called the "You wouldn't believe it " nugget a couple of years ago down deep with that machine and coil .
Cheers Clod

Excellent comments Clod and it would be money well spent i would believe.

 

[PhaseTech]

Have been thinking about upgrading from a 4500 to a 7000 but your experiences make me think i just need to improve my understanding and handling of the 4500.

I found about an ounce of gold with a 7000, from an area hammered by 3500's, 4500's, 5000's and SDC's. My best was 9 nuggets in one session. Eventually the 7000 could find no more. With the 6000 I have found about 9 pieces here, the biggest about a gram. I plan to rework this area with the new NF coil for the 7000, and see if that pulls any more targets. As much as I love my 4500, there is nothing left for it to find here, as the ground isn't too hot, and the gold is very prickly. With a little persuasion the 7000 can be run in High Yield Normal, which puts is even further in front of the GPXs.

 

[Hawkear]

Bora , if you are not sure about how to get the best out of your current machine no matter what it is and you don't have an experienced/successful mate to show you the best investment you will ever make is to spend some money on training . A couple of hundred bucks or less for a few hours with a reputable teacher in a small group ,2 or 3 max will help a lot . The reason I say small group is so you get more 1-1 tuition , If you go out with 10 people with little or no experience the trainer has to spend most of there available time getting them going .
If you don't live close handy to the gold fields you can waste a heap of money and time getting any experience on the ground , the money you spend on (quality) training will get you more gold , quicker than spending heaps on a machine that still requires understanding .
There's probably 100 guys and girls on here that can tell you what to do , but if they're not standing beside you on the ground , in the gold field and able to see what you do right or wrong in the specific area you are at the time they can't show you .
4500s with a 12 inch evo still find plenty of gold . A local retiree found a 2kg nugget he called the "You wouldn't believe it " nugget a couple of years ago down deep with that machine and coil .
Cheers Clod

Couldn’t agree more. Learning how to prospect on your own is a long, lonely and tortuous process. Few would perservere let alone possibly succeed.
What is the sense in outlaying thousands on equipment, field trip expenses and skimping on the most important thing knowledge?

 

[user 22230]

A very interesting read. Thanks . Have been thinking about upgrading from a 4500 to a 7000 but your experiences make me think i just need to improve my understanding and handling of the 4500.

I'd go the 7 and I'm pretty sure you won't regret it

 

[user 22230]

I found about an ounce of gold with a 7000, from an area hammered by 3500's, 4500's, 5000's and SDC's. My best was 9 nuggets in one session. Eventually the 7000 could find no more. With the 6000 I have found about 9 pieces here, the biggest about a gram. I plan to rework this area with the new NF coil for the 7000, and see if that pulls any more targets. As much as I love my 4500, there is nothing left for it to find here, as the ground isn't too hot, and the gold is very prickly. With a little persuasion the 7000 can be run in High Yield Normal, which puts is even further in front of the GPXs.

Spoke to Dean Saturday Nenad and he had a NF 17" courtesy of Rohan and he's damn impressed with it .................... I'll be shopping for one.

 

[Bora68]

Bora , if you are not sure about how to get the best out of your current machine no matter what it is and you don't have an experienced/successful mate to show you the best investment you will ever make is to spend some money on training . A couple of hundred bucks or less for a few hours with a reputable teacher in a small group ,2 or 3 max will help a lot . The reason I say small group is so you get more 1-1 tuition , If you go out with 10 people with little or no experience the trainer has to spend most of there available time getting them going .
If you don't live close handy to the gold fields you can waste a heap of money and time getting any experience on the ground , the money you spend on (quality) training will get you more gold , quicker than spending heaps on a machine that still requires understanding .
There's probably 100 guys and girls on here that can tell you what to do , but if they're not standing beside you on the ground , in the gold field and able to see what you do right or wrong in the specific area you are at the time they can't show you .
4500s with a 12 inch evo still find plenty of gold . A local retiree found a 2kg nugget he called the "You wouldn't believe it " nugget a couple of years ago down deep with that machine and coil .
Cheers Clod

Ok, thanks very much for that advice Clodmac ,i definitely will try and follow up on that and get someone to check on my amateur techniques.