Still relying on China....When will we learn? :N:
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1887780/printing-money-chinese-mask-producers-booming
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When are we going to learn.......?
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The government should be encouraging manufacturing to return to Australia with incentives for new manufacturing businesses by removing some of the red tape involved in manufacturing.
Come on Scotty, get this country working again, it's not all about import tarrifs which you rely on so much!!
Come on Scotty, get this country working again, it's not all about import tarrifs which you rely on so much!!
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Gpx5000 said:
Hopefully all bureaucrats learn from this, unfortunately I don't hold much hope no matter what colour they wear.
The best we can do once we're past the current situation is DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM CHINA. We hold the power sure things will cost more but it will send a very important message. For people power to hold the Ace it will take more than one nation for it to have a true impact, this is where the power and influence of social media can be a very effective and useful tool.
Not just coal & iron ore, wool, grain, meat, wine ask our farmers if they agree. Red tape has little to do with it we have priced ourselves out of the market with wages wether you like it or not.Lad that grew up over the road from us as kids spent 30 years in China setting up business for australian companies to move off shore. he's back here now retired & quite wealthy. His outlook on China is very interesting & not what many on here think.
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Anything from anywhere in the world needs to be quarantined.... either by the state and ports.... or at home for the required time to let the virus cease to be viable(not just from china)
Once a country has been inspected by WHO and pronounced vurus free after however many days it decrees will be safe....then it will be safe to do so from that country (provided the shipping is deemed safe too).
Once a country has been inspected by WHO and pronounced vurus free after however many days it decrees will be safe....then it will be safe to do so from that country (provided the shipping is deemed safe too).
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Well if we are "exporting" so much to china, what about the amount of IMPORTED crap that .ands here.
intentionally crippling our own producers.
We need to subsidize our farmers.
intentionally crippling our own producers.
We need to subsidize our farmers.
Gpx5000 said:
Build our own bloody submarines would be a good start.
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Starting up your own import business from Columbia? :lol:EVIE/BEE said:Gpx5000 said:
Build our own bloody submarines would be a good start.
And themselves - and both will get out of it, and only conspiracy theorists think it was intentional. However yes, they could permanently cripple us anytime they wanted, we are not the only source of commodities (Brazil, South Africa and other places have plenty of iron ore and coal) . A fact of life - we sell to China because we cannot sell a lot anywhere else. We have to buy their goods in return (balance of trade) - that is the whole issue that China and USA are fighting over. We have a commodity economy (60% mineral exports) like Russia (75%) and guess what else - almost entirely agriculture, tourism and foreign students. We have had this precarious economy for a long time but have ignored it while it was making money for us. Compare it with France - dominantly manufacturing.Gpx5000 said:
Subsidise farmers - and make our food exports uncompetitive? Somebody always has to pay. And agricultural exports are only a third of the value of mineral exports.
And of course they made us rich and it suited them and us. They can cripple us - yes - but they would have no reason to unless we tried boycotting their goods (a very hostile act).
Coronavirus, not Chinese actions, and our response to the virus (albeit necessary) are the only things damaging our economy. Although it was sinking anyway, thanks to drought and bushfires that were home grown.
As I said before - when catastrophes occur, many people look for someone to blame it on. **** happens.....
mudgee hunter said:Starting up your own import business from Columbia? :lol:EVIE/BEE said:Gpx5000 said:
Build our own bloody submarines would be a good start.
I know we have the people here with the skills MH. For example i have worked with welders specialized in special metals welding constructing high pressure vessels out of titanium 100mm thick. It took weeks to finish each weld hence the cost, but surely a lot less than 500 billion.
Our pollies simply don't have the confidence in us Aussies or themselves... maybe they just don't have the balls.
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I was just fooling with running a sub to Columbia and back. No political content in it.
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I remember mate, Frank said i have no sense of humor. :awful: :awful: :awful:
Scomo does not rely on tarrifs - e,g, 99% of US imports are duty free. And no doubt we can make things like submarines. However have we got the time, and can we stand the problems that occur when we make things?
" Type 471 Collins class, were constructed between 1990 and 2003 in South Australia by the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC).
The submarines have been the subject of many incidents and technical problems since the design phase, including accusations of foul play and bias during the design selection, improper handling of design changes during construction, major capability deficiencies in the first submarines, and ongoing technical problems throughout the early life of the class. These problems have been compounded by the inability of the RAN to retain sufficient personnel to operate the submarinesby 2008, only three could be manned, and between 2009 and 2012, on average two or fewer were fully operational. The resulting negative press has led to a poor public perception of the Collins class".
They were fitted with computer operating systems years out of date before they hit the water ( Windows286?). I don't think the problem is the quality of our welders, but those at a higher level. If the government gets them done overseas, it can enforce time limits, impose penalties for delays and poor quality. All very well to talk about how good we are, but we have to live up to it to get contracts. Because we have farted around so much getting a contract signed, unless we have a few by 2030 Australia will have no operating submarines left.
The French may have got the contract (which looks like small change compared with our current emergency expenditures), However they will be built in Adelaide, using Australian and US parts. So Australian jobs, but we can hassle the French of they do not do it fast enough - that is their responsibility.
" Type 471 Collins class, were constructed between 1990 and 2003 in South Australia by the Australian Submarine Corporation (ASC).
The submarines have been the subject of many incidents and technical problems since the design phase, including accusations of foul play and bias during the design selection, improper handling of design changes during construction, major capability deficiencies in the first submarines, and ongoing technical problems throughout the early life of the class. These problems have been compounded by the inability of the RAN to retain sufficient personnel to operate the submarinesby 2008, only three could be manned, and between 2009 and 2012, on average two or fewer were fully operational. The resulting negative press has led to a poor public perception of the Collins class".
They were fitted with computer operating systems years out of date before they hit the water ( Windows286?). I don't think the problem is the quality of our welders, but those at a higher level. If the government gets them done overseas, it can enforce time limits, impose penalties for delays and poor quality. All very well to talk about how good we are, but we have to live up to it to get contracts. Because we have farted around so much getting a contract signed, unless we have a few by 2030 Australia will have no operating submarines left.
The French may have got the contract (which looks like small change compared with our current emergency expenditures), However they will be built in Adelaide, using Australian and US parts. So Australian jobs, but we can hassle the French of they do not do it fast enough - that is their responsibility.
I just hope the whole project somehow benefits our newly subsidized apprentices. What an opportunity for them.
In my view it's about reskilling the country, that's our achilles heel right now.
Where will we be if we don't relearn what we have lost in skills and design. Keep it in Australia.
Mistakes and all.
In my view it's about reskilling the country, that's our achilles heel right now.
Where will we be if we don't relearn what we have lost in skills and design. Keep it in Australia.
Mistakes and all.
