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Hey there all.

Just been reading up on a few Victorian Ghost Towns on the following Wiki page after reading DAN77 & Jason 1971's epic adventures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ghost_towns_in_Victoria_(Australia)

Who else has ever tried to find one and detect it, particularly in Victoria?
I've got my eye on something in West Gippsland, that once had 24 houses, a baker, a blacksmiths, a church, a 'Coffee Palace' and a hall which still stands today. Its all now paddocks, with little to no evidence of the streets that once existed.

Any hints or tips? I've researched it solidly online for 2 nights.
With the hall being heritage listed, is it OK to poke around it? Not touching the Hall itself, but the grounds it stands on...
 
There are two books written about ghost towns in Victoriaboth by Luke Steenhuis. Very informative concerning get what you are looking for. Detailed road reports and whether the town sites are on private property. Cheers Coachie.
 
Good books... I borrowed them from the local library. Good way to get a bit of info sometimes.
 
Well mate I suspect there's not going to be too many decimals so I guess the relic laws come into play. I certainly won't hold you up to the cross but food for thought.
 
I like the idea of hunting through ghost towns but I am struggling to find the status of the land.. like private or crown land or historical. How do you guys go about this?
 
I just randomly chose one to check on google maps, Amherst Victoria. On satellite view you can actually see the distinct outlines of the old streets that are now contained within paddocks. Just chose it at random, interested in looking at more now, good luck!!!

Ps: This was a trick I learnt watching Tony Robinson on Time Team.

Cheers,
Laurence :D
 
Hi guys help me out here please what are 'Relic laws'? I'm planning on some old towns myself yeah some are on private property but I've got permission..... But new to treasure hunting cheers Andy
 
spatch said:
Hey there all.

Just been reading up on a few Victorian Ghost Towns on the following Wiki page after reading DAN77 & Jason 1971's epic adventures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ghost_towns_in_Victoria_(Australia)

Who else has ever tried to find one and detect it, particularly in Victoria?
I've got my eye on something in West Gippsland, that once had 24 houses, a baker, a blacksmiths, a church, a 'Coffee Palace' and a hall which still stands today. Its all now paddocks, with little to no evidence of the streets that once existed.

Any hints or tips? I've researched it solidly online for 2 nights.
With the hall being heritage listed, is it OK to poke around it? Not touching the Hall itself, but the grounds it stands on...

Sorry to rain on your parade cobber but I suspect that I know the place you are referring to and it's in a declared Historic Area of the same name and managed by Parks Victoria so you cannot interfere with or remove anything. It has the same status as a National Park.

Appropriate advice would be for you to enjoy your visit, take only photographs and leave only footprints ;)
 
Lambo3534 said:
Hi guys help me out here please what are 'Relic laws'? I'm planning on some old towns myself yeah some are on private property but I've got permission..... But new to treasure hunting cheers Andy

...that's a good question and apart from generally "knowing" that it is not permittted to disturb or remove historical items from a historic area online searching this morning has not yet turned up plain english guidelines for visitor conduct in historic areas delared under the Heritage Act 1995 (Victoria). I did however find the entire Heritage Act 1995 legislation online but it's a huge read and probably I'll leave it for a rainy day :D
 
Anything found within a historic area or crown area is by the laws, still owned by the crown. The heritage laws are old and outdated. They are probably more about when blokes went and removed full machinery and cottages for thier farms when the laws kicked in. Now everything is rusting into the ground and deteriorating and imo needs to be saved. Make sure your a member of a historical society, that way you have a reason for it, and a place to put items on display or back into the books. When its on private, and you have permission, it should be yours too. Though where I look..the only evidence of civilisation is broken bottle and plates in the dirt.. all houses and business were burnt in fires.

Spatch - there's much more to look at than those around here. Soo many suprisingly are not listed for example Fernshaw. I thought that would be in the list. Keep clear from these official listed ones and look for the 'non existant' towns. I found a couple here just walking
 
casper said:
Sorry to rain on your parade cobber but I suspect that I know the place you are referring to and it's in a declared Historic Area of the same name and managed by Parks Victoria so you cannot interfere with or remove anything. It has the same status as a National Park.

Appropriate advice would be for you to enjoy your visit, take only photographs and leave only footprints ;)

This spot is not managed by Parks Victoria.
 
AtomRat said:
Anything found within a historic area or crown area is by the laws, still owned by the crown. The heritage laws are old and outdated. They are probably more about when blokes went and removed full machinery and cottages for their farms when the laws kicked in. Now everything is rusting into the ground and deteriorating and imo needs to be saved. Make sure your a member of a historical society, that way you have a reason for it, and a place to put items on display or back into the books. When its on private, and you have permission, it should be yours too.
There was a review of the Victorian heritage laws calling for public submissions last year. Would have been a good time to have your say on what should be in the new version & what shouldn't. Submissions, reports etc. here:
http://www.dtpli.vic.gov.au/heritage/about-heritage-in-victoria/heritage-act-review-2015
As it stands in Victoria being on private land changes nothing. Under the current law an archaeological relic is:
archaeological relicmeans
(a) any archaeological deposit; or
(b) any artifact, remains or material evidence associated with an archaeological deposit
which
(c) relates to the non-Aboriginal settlement or visitation of the area or any part of the area which now comprises Victoria; and.
(d) is 50 or more years old
but does not include the remains of a ship or an article associated with a ship;

VICTORIAN HERITAGE ACT 1995 - SECT 127
Offence to damage or disturb unregistered relics and unregistered archaeological sites

S.127(1) amendedby No. 74/2003 s.5(5)(a)(b).
(1) A person must not knowingly or negligently deface or damage or otherwise interfere with an archaeological relic or carry out an act likely to endanger an archaeological relic except in accordance with a consent issued under section129.
Penalty: In the case of a natural person: 600penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months or both.
In the case of a body corporate: 1200penalty units.

S.127(2) amendedby No. 74/2003 s.5(5)(a)(b).
(2) A person must not knowingly uncover or expose an archaeological relic or disturb or excavate any land for the purpose of uncovering or discovering an archaeological relic except in accordance with a consent issued under section 129.
Penalty: In the case of a natural person: 600penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months or both.
In the case of a body corporate: 1200penalty units.

(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under this section if he or she picks up or collects an archaeological relic exposed in or on the surface of land in Victoria.

(4) This section does not apply to an archaeological relic which is a registered object.

HERITAGE ACT 1995 - SECT 128
Safeguarding of relics

A person who knowingly picks up or collects an archaeological relic in Victoria or who knowingly brings into Victoria or receives in Victoria an archaeological relic must

(a) safeguard it from loss or damage; and
(b) immediately give notice in writing to the Executive Director describing the relic and stating where it was found or where it came from; and
(c) if required by the Executive Director, make the relic available for identification or conservation.
Penalty: In the case of a natural person: 120penalty units.
In the case of a body corporate: 240penalty units.

Being a member of a historical society doesn't automatically give rights to recover or collect relics under the current Victorian legislation. The Executive Director may issue consents to individuals or other bodies under Section 129.

These are the main areas of law you need to be aware of in Victoria. Other states have similar legislation.
How you personally follow or interpret them is your decision.
 

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