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G'day Guys I'm trying to find out where I can get a test nugget or 2 that weigh 0.0025 of a gram , which is 1/400th of a gram . There is a guy on youtube from Ballarat that uses a nugget that small to test his mods regularly . If anyone has a couple that size I would be interested in buying a couple to test on my PI machines .
 
G'day Clodmac.

I would be very surprised if he is using a piece that small. I could be wrong because I haven't seen Woody's videos. A piece 0.025 gram would be more realistic, although I have seen a piece of gold much smaller than 0.025 that was picked up with a GPX6000.

I personally use a piece that is 0.06 gram in weight to check my 7000 after tuning. The smallest piece I have found with the 7000 is 0.026 gram.

I would suggest using a piece of lead instead. You will need a piece of lead that weighs about 0.0015 gram to get the equivalent gold size.

Regards Axtyr.
 
Agree with Axtyr, unlikely to be .0025 and be getting hits with a PI.

Also, do you really want to be finding that stuff? Hard enough to locate a .01 in the scoop.

I’ve no idea what the 2 bits are in my pic but I would doubt they would register on my scales. Maybe .01 🤷‍♂️ or less. Both found with a PI and if you’re pinging this stuff with your PI I would say your machine is well dialled in for small bits. As small as I want to be finding anyway.

Rather than wasting time and money on eBay, if you PM me your mailing address I’ll send them to you no charge. The stamp will probably cost more than the gold 🤣

Cheers, NE.

The metal thing is the end of a small paper clip for size reference.

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G'day Guys I'm trying to find out where I can get a test nugget or 2 that weigh 0.0025 of a gram , which is 1/400th of a gram . There is a guy on youtube from Ballarat that uses a nugget that small to test his mods regularly . If anyone has a couple that size I would be interested in buying a couple to test on my PI machines .

Try Ebay or Gumtree.
Agree - get a 1grain (0.06g) 24kt flat rectangular ingot from ebay or similar.

Cut it in half with a sharp scalpel & cut 1 of the halves in half repeatedly until you cant see it.
0.06
0.03
0.015
0.0075
0.0038
0.0019

Also I too really cant believe that you can find 0.0025g with a PI
 
G'day Clodmac.

I would be very surprised if he is using a piece that small. I could be wrong because I haven't seen Woody's videos. A piece 0.025 gram would be more realistic, although I have seen a piece of gold much smaller than 0.025 that was picked up with a GPX6000.

I personally use a piece that is 0.06 gram in weight to check my 7000 after tuning. The smallest piece I have found with the 7000 is 0.026 gram.

I would suggest using a piece of lead instead. You will need a piece of lead that weighs about 0.0015 gram to get the equivalent gold size.

Regards Axtyr.
G'day Axtyr , the guy from Ballarat claims that the nugget is 0.0025 in a number of his vids , perhaps his scales don't work or he is not very good with numbers , the level of sensitivity he can create with his mods is astonishing . He can get a GP Extreme to match the 6000 using very low gain and in Normal and Cancel mode with an old DD coil in his workshop . Even with his other test nuggets allegedly 0.05 and 0.1 .

The test nuggets I use at the moment are about .03 or so each , in the pic below

Cheers Clod
 

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Agree - get a 1grain (0.06g) 24kt flat rectangular ingot from ebay or similar.

Cut it in half with a sharp scalpel & cut 1 of the halves in half repeatedly until you cant see it.
0.06
0.03
0.015
0.0075
0.0038
0.0019

Also I too really cant believe that you can find 0.0025g with a PI
G'day XLOOX I have a 0.03 bit I found on Sunday I could probably flatten that out and cut it up if I can't get a natural bit that small .
I have some doubts about getting a 0.0025 with my PI machines as well , need 1 to verify it though .

Do you think you would hear a nugget that size with the equinox ?

Cheers Ray
 
Agree with Axtyr, unlikely to be .0025 and be getting hits with a PI.

Also, do you really want to be finding that stuff? Hard enough to locate a .01 in the scoop.

I’ve no idea what the 2 bits are in my pic but I would doubt they would register on my scales. Maybe .01 🤷‍♂️ or less. Both found with a PI and if you’re pinging this stuff with your PI I would say your machine is well dialled in for small bits. As small as I want to be finding anyway.

Rather than wasting time and money on eBay, if you PM me your mailing address I’ll send them to you no charge. The stamp will probably cost more than the gold 🤣

Cheers, NE.

The metal thing is the end of a small paper clip for size reference.

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G'day NE

I'm not really interested in finding 400 bits to the gram , just wondering if it's possible with a PI hence the need to get a nugget to test with my PI machines .

As you say it's hard enough finding 0.01 or smaller in the scoop , dunno how many times I have tipped out little bits and had to go through the dirt again to get it .

The point of all this is to find out if the Ballarat guys mods are as good as he demonstrates in the vids , the sensitivity the demonstrates is amazing given he sets the detectors in cancel , uses standard minelab coils and blows all other std minelab detectors into the dust .

If his machines work as claimed there would be plenty of 0.1 and bigger bits that are out of reach of std machines including 6 and 7000 .

Thank you for the offer of the test nuggets , I have a mate who is a small gold wizard that uses a 6000 that has a few little ones he will part with , might cost me a couple of packets of bickies to share with a cuppa . he has a few like those in the pic below that are similiar is size to what you find , these few average 0.012

Cheers Clod
 

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Clodmac, you could ring him to verify that the size is correct.

Another thing, you stated that he is doing all of this on his bench. Conditions are vastly different out in the field. However, if it is true what he is claiming, then it still gives you a good indication of how sensitive his mods are. I know my 7000 wouldn't pick up anything that small even if I rubbed it on the bottom of the coil in mid air.

You could also contact Mick at Detectronics Australia in Dunolly and ask him about his testing procedures as a comparison. I know Mick does mods on the 5000 to make it extremely sensitive to tiny gold. I don't know if he does the same sort of mods as Woody on the GP Extreme.

Good luck with it all. I know it is a big decision to upgrade an older detector for that amount of money. Makes my knees wobble.

Regards Axtyr.
 
Agree - get a 1grain (0.06g) 24kt flat rectangular ingot from ebay or similar.

Cut it in half with a sharp scalpel & cut 1 of the halves in half repeatedly until you cant see it.
0.06
0.03
0.015
0.0075
0.0038
0.0019

Also I too really cant believe that you can find 0.0025g with a PI
That is the process that beam balance weight makers use to make their smaller weights. Often the metal used is aluminium because a large area of flat metal does not weigh a lot, and smaller weights can be cut purely by area as the weight to area ratio is constant.

If you are not happy with buying gold on Ebay, gold is extremely malleable and it is possible to hammer out a small nugget or button of gold of known weight into a much larger area that would theoretically allow you a good chance of sectioning off a piece of a much smaller calculable weight.

I would question however the need, other than for curiosity purposes, to know the exact weight of a piece of gold used for test purposes. Flat gold can behave quite differently to solid gold of the same weight under a coil. Small flat spangley pieces can even behave differently depending on their orientation to the coil (my experience anyway). Is that going to give you a reliable test result applicable to real world detecting?

Maybe just forget about trying to test on a known weight and just cut a piece of lead or gold as small as you can and ask yourself the question "Will finding gold as visually small as this make me satisfied with the performance of my detector?"
 
Clodmac, you could ring him to verify that the size is correct.

Another thing, you stated that he is doing all of this on his bench. Conditions are vastly different out in the field. However, if it is true what he is claiming, then it still gives you a good indication of how sensitive his mods are. I know my 7000 wouldn't pick up anything that small even if I rubbed it on the bottom of the coil in mid air.

You could also contact Mick at Detectronics Australia in Dunolly and ask him about his testing procedures as a comparison. I know Mick does mods on the 5000 to make it extremely sensitive to tiny gold. I don't know if he does the same sort of mods as Woody on the GP Extreme.

Good luck with it all. I know it is a big decision to upgrade an older detector for that amount of money. Makes my knees wobble.

Regards Axtyr.
G'day Axtyr my step son asked him directly on the Youtube thing if he had any 400th of a gram test nuggets for sale and the answer was he didn't have any , that was a few weeks ago and looking at his recent vids he is still using it . I also came across a vid from not that long ago where he had a test nugget that he claimed weighed 0.012 that faintly broke the threshold when touched on the coil . 0.0025 is roughly 1/4 of that and not possible with his modifications . I have spent a few hours looking at his vids from the past and formed the opinion he is ?

As for field testing he has a vid of his testing at a site with pipes horizontally drilled into the bank at various depths . Generally the target is placed in the pipe and the detector is swung over the top of the target , however his method was to place the coil on the ground and move the target backward and forward which would eliminate any ground noise ??

The stepson was looking into getting a modified machine , but with a limited budget the GP Extreme would of been his best option he thought after seeing the ballarat guys vids . the idea has been abandoned following a vid posted by the guy from Ballarat denigrating a Detectronics modified 5000 that he was given / borrowed to look at that had nothing wrong with it , following being called out by a number of viewers for unethical behaviour the Ballarat guy took the video down and admitted today in a follow up vid that he did not know how to operate or test it .

As you have pointed out the bench is vastly different to the field and on the Detectormods website the guy from ballarat pointed out that 80% of the goldfields are mineralised and normal timings as most of us know create noise , false signals etc and smooth timings like fine gold and enhance are far better options .

One of the very first things people do to upgrade the performance of a std machine is buy an after market coil , in my experience Mr Coiltek and Mr Nuggetfinder coils are an improvement on the factory coils provided by minelab , especially on machines specifically designed for mono coils . GPX 4000 onward . I don't know about the 7000 coils .

The guy from ballarat designs , developes and tests his mods using factory coils and older bundle type coils which he is of the opinion are better than flat wound .

I have spoken to Mick previously and again today , his actual testing is carried out in the field on known targets in mineralised ground on his property at Dunolly and any adjustments or issues requiring attention are undertaken in the work shop before retesting in the field before being passed

Mick has modified older machines in the past but highly recommends 5000 and 4500 as a far better option and superior outcome for the costs involved .

His costs to upgrade your 7000 would also make your knees wobble

Cheers Clod
 
That is the process that beam balance weight makers use to make their smaller weights. Often the metal used is aluminium because a large area of flat metal does not weigh a lot, and smaller weights can be cut purely by area as the weight to area ratio is constant.

If you are not happy with buying gold on Ebay, gold is extremely malleable and it is possible to hammer out a small nugget or button of gold of known weight into a much larger area that would theoretically allow you a good chance of sectioning off a piece of a much smaller calculable weight.

I would question however the need, other than for curiosity purposes, to know the exact weight of a piece of gold used for test purposes. Flat gold can behave quite differently to solid gold of the same weight under a coil. Small flat spangley pieces can even behave differently depending on their orientation to the coil (my experience anyway). Is that going to give you a reliable test result applicable to real world detecting?

Maybe just forget about trying to test on a known weight and just cut a piece of lead or gold as small as you can and ask yourself the question "Will finding gold as visually small as this make me satisfied with the performance of my detector?"
The exact or known weight is not critical and of course you are right about orientation, flat bits and prickly the is a pic somewhere in this thread of the 2 test nuggets I use now , they both weigh pretty much the same the flat bit is easily heard 25% deeper than the bally bit . I have some small pieces I can cut up to satisfy the curiosity

Cheers Clod
 

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