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Yeah it's just a frequency shift, so changes the base 61 kHz by a very small margin.
This is the first gold that Ive found with the Kruzer. It was found on a lease in the Palmer River. The biggest piece is 1.95 grams and it was a very clear, mellow signal. The nugget was about 100mm deep but I think I would have found it deeper than that owing to the strength of the signal. I used the small 7x5 coil (I think thats right) which ran very smoothly in the hottish ground. I have used the bigger coil in the same area but it was very chattery and was picking up every hot rock in the area. That doesnt mean it would not have picked these bits up if I had put the coil over them. Gold seemed to ring up around 58 ish on the more prominent nuggets. There is a definite difference between gold target tones and bits of junk. Hot rocks also have a sound of their own and the high and low numbers can be relied upon. The smallest piece is very flat and smaller than a pin head so I was impressed when I found that one. I thought the small coil would make detecting a decent area very time consuming but its not that bad. I covered the site of this patch which was about 30 square meters fairly easily and thoroughly. I ran over it with a 4500 with a 12x8 evo coil and couldnt find anything else. In all Im pleasantly surprised with the quality and performance of an ecconomicly priced machine. To be honest I was a bit sceptical in the beginning when using the bigger coil. Its Light to use as well and quiet in pretty rough soil. Its a keeper
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Really informative posts but now Im just totally confused! As a total newbie Im yet to press the launch button to get my first detector. How would this stack up to an Equinox 800 on performance at the beach, looking for coins/relics around the traps and gold detecting in the mountains Central East of Victoria? These will be the uses Im looking at and it seems a similar price point
For gold detecting the Gold Kruzer will be more sensitive to the tiniest pieces, but in mild soil where the Nox can be used in Multi and with a high Sensitivity, it is also very sensitive. I think the Kruzer with its small elliptical coil will have an edge on depth on the real small stuff.
On beaches the Nox wins for depth, although for a high frequency VLF the G Kruzer is the most stable one I've used on wet sand. You just need to manually ground balance it. On dry sand, the gold kruzer with the larger stock concentric coil is dynamite on chains and small jewellery.
For general coin/relic detecting I think the Nox wins on depth, as that is what it was designed for - larger coil and lower frequencies helps. So as a summary, both units can be all-rounders but the Gold Kruzer is going to specialise in tiny targets, where the Nox is more geared to Coin Relic.
Hope that helps
On beaches the Nox wins for depth, although for a high frequency VLF the G Kruzer is the most stable one I've used on wet sand. You just need to manually ground balance it. On dry sand, the gold kruzer with the larger stock concentric coil is dynamite on chains and small jewellery.
For general coin/relic detecting I think the Nox wins on depth, as that is what it was designed for - larger coil and lower frequencies helps. So as a summary, both units can be all-rounders but the Gold Kruzer is going to specialise in tiny targets, where the Nox is more geared to Coin Relic.
Hope that helps
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Thankyou Nenad. A pleasure to speak with someone who gives honest and balanced opinions without marketing hype! I saw also that the NM also had a wider range of coils. Does this make the NM GK more flexible in any way or is it just a slightly more manual method of multi frequency? Thanks again
Hi Gold Hunters,
Firstly my name is Markie D, i am a long time reader, first time poster.
I have recently purchased a nokta Gold Kruzer detector, (my first detector).
I have seen many youtube vids and have seen people getting some small gold with the detector.
I have done some air tests with the detector and it seems to be able to detect very small pieces at close range, but i lose the signal at about 100mm
I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this detector, and is able to tell me if there is an ideal set up for picking up tiny gold, or am expecting too much from the detector? At what depth should i expect to pick up a 1 gram piece of gold...
Also is anyone able to explain what Isat actually does, I know it helps with ground balancing, but i'm not 100%.
I'm Ballarat based if it helps, the ground balancing in my area normally comes back at 65 - 80 range, and i run gain at as high as possible without getting excessive ground noise, I am using GEN mode, and i have threshhold set to 9.
any assistance would be great, I'm really lost at the moment...
Thank you in advance.
Happy gold hunting.
Firstly my name is Markie D, i am a long time reader, first time poster.
I have recently purchased a nokta Gold Kruzer detector, (my first detector).
I have seen many youtube vids and have seen people getting some small gold with the detector.
I have done some air tests with the detector and it seems to be able to detect very small pieces at close range, but i lose the signal at about 100mm
I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this detector, and is able to tell me if there is an ideal set up for picking up tiny gold, or am expecting too much from the detector? At what depth should i expect to pick up a 1 gram piece of gold...
Also is anyone able to explain what Isat actually does, I know it helps with ground balancing, but i'm not 100%.
I'm Ballarat based if it helps, the ground balancing in my area normally comes back at 65 - 80 range, and i run gain at as high as possible without getting excessive ground noise, I am using GEN mode, and i have threshhold set to 9.
any assistance would be great, I'm really lost at the moment...
Thank you in advance.
Happy gold hunting.
Welcome to P.A. markie_d.
Welcome aboard, Markie.
I suggest you have a read through this thread about the Kruzer:
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26280
I suggest you have a read through this thread about the Kruzer:
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26280
For tiny gold suggest use :
7.5 x4 DD coil : Not as deep as 10.5x5 CC coil but much sharper response on small gold. Depends what you call small gold but under solid slate I can pick up 1 grain (0.06g) @ 25mm , 0.18g @ 40mm & 0.5g @ 100mm with a flickering ID as well as a definite tone.
Mode: Gen. Using one of the other modes you might never hear anything for v small gold, although Boost+EUD is not bad on the small stuff. Fast is terrible.
Gain: As high as ground will let you ( I use 85 mostly in ground 65-82GB)
Tracking: In uniform ground (GB not changing by more than +/-3) you can find smaller stuff with GB tracking off (00) but if ground is variable then 01 is better because without tracking on you will have a more variable threshold & stop paying attention to the smallest target signals.
Threshold : Threshold low both background & target sounds are low, as you increase it target sounds increase faster than background upto a point then if you go further the background starts to drown out the small target sounds. Get a 1grain test piece & play. I find 13 to be the sweet spot on mine.
ISat : 01 unless ground is bad then upto 03 ( so far). SAT is Self Adjusting Threshold. The steady hum you hear is the threshold. In principle as the ground changes the threshold sound should change but this is a pain - you would be constantly adjusting a too loud or too low hum back to where you like it. With SAT the machine knows where you set it so it trys to keep the threshold sound at constant volume. If it doesnt do enough then you hear wavering sound, if it does it too well you have a stable sound but lose small target signals. iSAT is Noktas particular algorithm for this self adjustment - other manufacturers have other names but they all have the same aim - stable sound without missing targets. As you increase iSAT it is more aggressive in maintaining the threshold - good for managing heavier mineralisation but worse for detecting tiny targets. There is always some tradeoff
Best thing to do is play in your backyard with different size targets under different depths of stuff ( slate/tile/concrete slab ( no rebar!!)/ soil & see how the detectable depths, ID & sounds change as you fiddle with the controls. For some controls you wont see any impact util you try playing in variable/mineralised ground but for others you can easily see the diff they make in your backyard.
7.5 x4 DD coil : Not as deep as 10.5x5 CC coil but much sharper response on small gold. Depends what you call small gold but under solid slate I can pick up 1 grain (0.06g) @ 25mm , 0.18g @ 40mm & 0.5g @ 100mm with a flickering ID as well as a definite tone.
Mode: Gen. Using one of the other modes you might never hear anything for v small gold, although Boost+EUD is not bad on the small stuff. Fast is terrible.
Gain: As high as ground will let you ( I use 85 mostly in ground 65-82GB)
Tracking: In uniform ground (GB not changing by more than +/-3) you can find smaller stuff with GB tracking off (00) but if ground is variable then 01 is better because without tracking on you will have a more variable threshold & stop paying attention to the smallest target signals.
Threshold : Threshold low both background & target sounds are low, as you increase it target sounds increase faster than background upto a point then if you go further the background starts to drown out the small target sounds. Get a 1grain test piece & play. I find 13 to be the sweet spot on mine.
ISat : 01 unless ground is bad then upto 03 ( so far). SAT is Self Adjusting Threshold. The steady hum you hear is the threshold. In principle as the ground changes the threshold sound should change but this is a pain - you would be constantly adjusting a too loud or too low hum back to where you like it. With SAT the machine knows where you set it so it trys to keep the threshold sound at constant volume. If it doesnt do enough then you hear wavering sound, if it does it too well you have a stable sound but lose small target signals. iSAT is Noktas particular algorithm for this self adjustment - other manufacturers have other names but they all have the same aim - stable sound without missing targets. As you increase iSAT it is more aggressive in maintaining the threshold - good for managing heavier mineralisation but worse for detecting tiny targets. There is always some tradeoff
Best thing to do is play in your backyard with different size targets under different depths of stuff ( slate/tile/concrete slab ( no rebar!!)/ soil & see how the detectable depths, ID & sounds change as you fiddle with the controls. For some controls you wont see any impact util you try playing in variable/mineralised ground but for others you can easily see the diff they make in your backyard.
I run mine almost standard factory settings using the 7.5 inch coil. Ive picked up tiny gold at 2 - 3 inches and the best piece .7gram at 6inches. Very honest machine. Gold usually shows up around 44 on the number scale. I dig nothing in very low or very high numbers. Generally 20 ish is steel. Im a convert. Its a cheap addition to my 4500. Cheers
If you just dig by ID alone you will miss the very smallest & very largest nuggets as well as the deepest ones.
Just try what I suggested above with detecting under soil/rocks at different depths. As the signal fades the ID drops as well - I have nuggets that are a solid 35 or solid 45 in the air but as you bury them deeper the signal drops down into iron range (09-25) at 2 bars target and then into hot rock range (03-07) at 1 bar target & finally at max depth no ID or target bar ( maybe 1 bar flickering) but still has a distinct zip/zip audible.
Going the other way I have a 24k 0.5g gold coin that comes up solid 85 ID in the air and a couple of 1/2 oz nuggets that when close to the surface also ID well above 44. Thing is at shallow depths these of course give maxxed out 5 bar target signals.
So for me I always consider target strength bars and audio sound as well as ID before deciding dig or not.
If it is a solid signal above 28 I dig it every time even though that means some iron, lead & brass.
If it is a 2 bar signal in iron range I will scrape 25mm & see what happens to signal & ID. If ID increases I will scrape more.
If it is a hot rock/ no ID signal I will make a call based on the ground and sharpness of the zip/zip & decide to have a scrape or not.
If it is an iron range signal & 4-5 bar strength I will try at 90 degrees . If still iron ID then I walk away.
If it is 85 -95 ID I still dig but to date it has all been Alu. One day it will be a silver coin
Note that for large targets they will ID higher than "normal", as will targets with holes. I have seen 25mm aperture galv screen ID at 85, rusty washers at 65 & a pick head at 45.
Just try what I suggested above with detecting under soil/rocks at different depths. As the signal fades the ID drops as well - I have nuggets that are a solid 35 or solid 45 in the air but as you bury them deeper the signal drops down into iron range (09-25) at 2 bars target and then into hot rock range (03-07) at 1 bar target & finally at max depth no ID or target bar ( maybe 1 bar flickering) but still has a distinct zip/zip audible.
Going the other way I have a 24k 0.5g gold coin that comes up solid 85 ID in the air and a couple of 1/2 oz nuggets that when close to the surface also ID well above 44. Thing is at shallow depths these of course give maxxed out 5 bar target signals.
So for me I always consider target strength bars and audio sound as well as ID before deciding dig or not.
If it is a solid signal above 28 I dig it every time even though that means some iron, lead & brass.
If it is a 2 bar signal in iron range I will scrape 25mm & see what happens to signal & ID. If ID increases I will scrape more.
If it is a hot rock/ no ID signal I will make a call based on the ground and sharpness of the zip/zip & decide to have a scrape or not.
If it is an iron range signal & 4-5 bar strength I will try at 90 degrees . If still iron ID then I walk away.
If it is 85 -95 ID I still dig but to date it has all been Alu. One day it will be a silver coin
Note that for large targets they will ID higher than "normal", as will targets with holes. I have seen 25mm aperture galv screen ID at 85, rusty washers at 65 & a pick head at 45.
XLOOX said:If you just dig by ID alone you will miss the very smallest & very largest nuggets as well as the deepest ones.
Just try what I suggested above with detecting under soil/rocks at different depths. As the signal fades the ID drops as well - I have nuggets that are a solid 35 or solid 45 in the air but as you bury them deeper the signal drops down into iron range (09-25) at 2 bars target and then into hot rock range (03-07) at 1 bar target & finally at max depth no ID or target bar ( maybe 1 bar flickering) but still has a distinct zip/zip audible.
Going the other way I have a 24k 0.5g gold coin that comes up solid 85 ID in the air and a couple of 1/2 oz nuggets that when close to the surface also ID well above 44. Thing is at shallow depths these of course give maxxed out 5 bar target signals.
So for me I always consider target strength bars and audio sound as well as ID before deciding dig or not.
If it is a solid signal above 28 I dig it every time even though that means some iron, lead & brass.
If it is a 2 bar signal in iron range I will scrape 25mm & see what happens to signal & ID. If ID increases I will scrape more.
If it is a hot rock/ no ID signal I will make a call based on the ground and sharpness of the zip/zip & decide to have a scrape or not.
If it is an iron range signal & 4-5 bar strength I will try at 90 degrees . If still iron ID then I walk away.
If it is 85 -95 ID I still dig but to date it has all been Alu. One day it will be a silver coin
Note that for large targets they will ID higher than "normal", as will targets with holes. I have seen 25mm aperture galv screen ID at 85, rusty washers at 65 & a pick head at 45.
Thanks heaps for the Information XLOOX, this will definitely help to point me in the right direction.
It has also helped me understand what each setting is actually doing to my detector.
I am guessing practice will help when it comes to identifying targets.
I plan on having a bit of a play around this weekend. I'll keep you posted with my progress.
Highly appreciated
Markie_d
