Thanks fellas. Yes it did take a bit of pressure off. In the ned you start to wonder if the machine is working properly, whether you're in the right place, whether you know anything about the game at all and whether its all worth while. But to jag such a tiny piece, with a machine that many on the forum don't give much credibility to[for many ML is supreme] it was good to know that it does actually work and it can actually find subbies. Now to back up. And I'm working hard to do that. Was out today at Maryborough in the Paddys Ranges Forest, but only found lead and shells.