Holden Gone!

[casper]

Typically looking after No1, corporations are not interested in us or the country other than for what they can get. Pure greed.
If we were all the same, this forum would not exist.
Can only hope it is a phoenix in Aussie colours.

Is that the end of V8 supercars?

Hopefully ,

There is not too much of any road car in the current V8 super cars & the sooner we go back to proper production car formulae the better, wether it be Ford/GM or European Marques

Oh! to see Mini's and Torana's circulating at Mt Panorana again - real production car racing!!!

casper

 

[Scoopa]

Our Politicians on both sides keep going on about how Australia must be part of the Global economy, however when they finalise these global agreements it's our exports to foreign countries that are hit hard with tariffs while the products we import are exempt. Hardly a level playing field. I don't think there's a politician today that actually and actively support manufacturing in our country. They give you lip service and that's about it! The rot started with Whitlam and Keating and has just been followed down the line!

 

[casper]

Scoopa,

You cannot blame any one political party - as history shows at any one time it will fall to the one party in power (pick a party?) to make the necessary hard decisions in times of depression or change and subsequently the opposition party when in power to advantageously follow the winds of change. We are seeing that now and your grandchildren will study it at school in Economics classes.

Casper

 

[Sparra]

If the government were serious about saving the Australian automotive industry they should make it mandatory that all government/local government bodies to buy only Australian made vehicles,that alone would go along way to keeping them alive...

 

[Cuckoowaif]

Here's a statistic for you - 98% of all Holdens built are still on the road ! The good news is that 2% of them made it home !!!

 

[Marked]

Typically looking after No1, corporations are not interested in us or the country other than for what they can get. Pure greed.
If we were all the same, this forum would not exist.
Can only hope it is a phoenix in Aussie colours.

Is that the end of V8 supercars?

Hopefully ,

There is not too much of any road car in the current V8 super cars & the sooner we go back to proper production car formulae the better, wether it be Ford/GM or European Marques

Oh! to see Mini's and Torana's circulating at Mt Panorana again - real production car racing!!!

casper

V8 Supercars is already undergoing a re-branding with the current "car of the future" that was introduced in this year's competition being the first step. I think I have seen another logo kicking around, and I am pretty sure they are "Super Tourer"'s...unless that was for the races held in the USA so the yanks knew what they were.

 

[Pr2cv]

Typically looking after No1, corporations are not interested in us or the country other than for what they can get. Pure greed.
If we were all the same, this forum would not exist.
Can only hope it is a phoenix in Aussie colours.

Is that the end of V8 supercars?

Hopefully ,

There is not too much of any road car in the current V8 super cars & the sooner we go back to proper production car formulae the better, wether it be Ford/GM or European Marques

Oh! to see Mini's and Torana's circulating at Mt Panorana again - real production car racing!!!

casper

V8 Supercars is already undergoing a re-branding with the current "car of the future" that was introduced in this year's competition being the first step. I think I have seen another logo kicking around, and I am pretty sure they are "Super Tourer"'s...unless that was for the races held in the USA so the yanks knew what they were.

The British and European Touring Car Championships are much better to watch than V8 super cars in my opinion

 

[Syndyne]

Absolutely fantastic read guys. It's nice to hear a few different perspectives on the topic.

I've owned three in my time- 75 HJ Monaro (replica), 96 VS and still drive a 98 Clubsport. I have to admit that I do like my Holden's, but that has definitely waned over the last few years. I think as you grow you see more of a need for a vehicle for specific tasks, like prospecting for a common example, rather than looks or badge choice alone.

To hear the news (that was seemingly more and more liable to happen of late given the current unstable nature of things) I feel somewhat saddened by the whole deal. Gotta feel the most for those line workers who've lost their employment. On the other hand I'll bet the CEO's have a tidy little nest egg to keep them going for a good while. Unfair would be a vast understatement.

I wonder if the high prices of new cars has had a part to play in this? Even those in the thirty to forty thousand dollar range seem to be a pipe dream for standard workers today, unless you go into debt to pay it off -as I would imagine the majority are currently doing.

Only time will tell I guess.
Cheers,
Shauno

 

[The yabby]

It will be a sad day when holden ceases production and what then? Will our only options would be to either drive cheap and dodgy cars that are designed to be thrown away after a few years, wich causes people to buy another one every couple of years, or go to the higher end of the market to the so called luxury cars wich a lot of them are used as taxis in there own countries as bmw's are.Either way we will be propping up economies from different parts of the world while our own economy flounders.
People and governtments complain about "slave labour" in various countries around the world, but our government ( past and present) will pursue free trade agreements wich allow the market to be flooded with cheap imports wich supports the slave labour industries wich they complain about and this also gives major companies the incentive to move off shore because all they care about is profits, wich allows the suits in these companies to take home massive annual incomes.
Take Telstra for example, was a government dept, then was sold off, then all there call centres were moved off shore to places where wages are next to nothing all to increase profits and caused job losses here, now if you do have to contact one of there call centres you can hardly understand the person on the other end of the line.
I feel the more free trade agreements that are signed,the more jobs and companies will be lost,maybe I'm wrong but I don't see any benefits coming from agreements like these. If any body can see any good coming from these agreements please feel free to educate me. Cheers

 

[richo966]

only the rich benefit mate not us normal people

 

[HeadsUp]

i wouldnt like to have a mortgage in adelaide :/

20 - 25 % fall in house prices over the next 3 years ?

 

[Beagleboy]

Could this be the future?

 

[Bushranger]

Here's a statistic for you - 98% of all Holdens built are still on the road ! The good news is that 2% of them made it home !!!

Funny!!are you a Ford fan? Statistics are pointless, 98% of people know that!

 

[richo966]

ford stands for found on rubbish dump

 

[BrisJoe]

HOLDEN: Hold On Love Damn Engines Nackered
HOLDEN: Hope Our Luck Doesn't End Now
HOLDEN: Horrible Obscene Loud Disgusting Engine Noises

 

[Joshwasere]

What we really need is a Real Aussie Icon - An Aussie made and owned independent company making cars that aussies want!

 

[Bushranger]

What we really need is a Real Aussie Icon - An Aussie made and owned independent company making cars that aussies want!

Is TONKA Australian??..I've owned a couple of their trucks over the years.

 

[Goldpick]

What we really need is a Real Aussie Icon - An Aussie made and owned independent company making cars that aussies want!

Is TONKA Australian??..I've owned a couple of their trucks over the years.

Tonka, US owned (Hasbro), but made in China - sounds all too familiar! Somehow I don't think we will ever see cars manufatured here ever again, not unless we import our own Aussie slave workers to work under special conditions where they will receive below minimum wages.

Toyota will be next cab off the rank, Thailand is a much cheaper for them to produce cars at. Doesn't matter how ingenious we become at developing new technologies and products in Australia, eventually all resultant manufacturing will end up in places like China to be viable and maximise profits. Just look at things like solar panels, used to be expensive as hell, now they are very cheap to buy with a bulk of them now coming from China. Has anyone notice recently how many clothing items in places like BigW are now sourced from Bangladesh rather than China?

I also see that we have recently drawn up a free trade agreement with South Korea, basically dropping all excises on imports, and opening up markets for our resources industries. Lets face it, we are pretty much nation of exporters of raw materials for the world (mineral, farming, aquaculture etc.). So expect to see more Korean made gear landing in Australia.

I see all government funding withdrawn from Holdens is now being re-directed to Toyota to try and keep them in Australia. Don't think it will be enough though, will end up like Mitsubishi selling imports only. :|

 

[Goldpick]

Just saw that the next commodore will be made in china, and there will not be a v8 in the range anymore, just a V6. Can see holden lovers turning in their graves over that one!

 

[bisho]

I think it is the unions to blame they never stop with pay rises more all the time nuts to kill of industries like this and the liberals should be ashamed of them selves many countries around the world would pay big bucks to have a compony like holden if there was some thing in it for them then the story would change but our polies all like bmw not holden where is the national pride

Don't blame the unions, a lot of companies try and convince us that unions are bad but that is too try and disillusion us all about their good points, and that is to protect workers rights, if we didn't have them the bosses would screw down the wages and have ALL of us working in sweat shops for $0.20 a day :|