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I have never broke even or profited yet , but I love the chase , its like women the chase and imagination of what it might be like is often better than a score. :) all trips so far under $100 packed lunch and fuel and do about $300 worth of manual labor :)
 
aussiefarmer said:
I have never broke even or profited yet , but I love the chase , its like women the chase and imagination of what it might be like is often better than a score. :) all trips so far under $100 packed lunch and fuel and do about $300 worth of manual labor :)

Is that with the women or the prospecting? :lol:
 
The way I see it if you have never broken even or profited you are not looking in the right places! I made a profit from the 3rd trip & am still in front (2009 till now)
Lee
 
Jembaicumbene said:
I can't find anything there that restricts the hobbyist or recreational prospector to one sale per year or any dollar value. I know of people that sell more than one package of gold per year tax free?
If they started charging tax on hobbyist or recreational found gold it would open up a can of worms. That would entitle you to claim deductions against your tax liabilities?
If you've got smaller amounts (<5 ounces) sell it on eBay, privately or on a forum like this one. :D
 
I agree, my take was low to start with as I had a steep learning curve, however now I am averaging 2grams every time out so I am very happy with that. However I do spend considerable time using resources to help me determine where I am going for the day, I never just go out without a plan.
 
Hey JB

After your post I made a couple of calls, one to an old mate who is a prospector and does nicely, for the past 5 years he has uncovered a substantial amount and never paid tax or the like last tax year his accountant claimed his finds and no tax has been charged, and it was a significant amount.

mbasko has another point relating claiming costs, now that would be a pay day :p :cool:

Can you point us to where this info come from???

Thanks
 
mbasko said:
Jembaicumbene said:
I can't find anything there that restricts the hobbyist or recreational prospector to one sale per year or any dollar value. I know of people that sell more than one package of gold per year tax free?
If they started charging tax on hobbyist or recreational found gold it would open up a can of worms. That would entitle you to claim deductions against your tax liabilities?
If you've got smaller amounts (<5 ounces) sell it on eBay, privately or on a forum like this one. :D

The information came from SBA themselves, After reading your post i thought i may be wrong in what i said so i checked. I have all but got off the phone to the tax office to check weather what I was told is right. Well yes and no is the answer there is no restrictions placed on a hobbyist in regards to how many times a year you can sell gold. But if what you are selling exceeds $75.000 then you have to apply for an ABN number and it is no longer classed as a hobby.. Thats from the Taxation Office. cheers
Jembaicumbene
 
From what I can find the ATO does not take any dollar amount into account when deciding whether something is a business or a hobby. They say that if you are carrying out a business & earn over $75,000 you need to apply for an ABN? Makes what they told you a bit confusing?
They take a range of factors into consideration in determining if you are a business & I doubt most would tick too many if any boxes. They don't want to declare your hobby activities as a business if it means you will only use it to claim business loss offsets against other income. On the other hand they also don't want you to be making sustainable tax free profit. I doubt they would pursue the majority of fossickers/prospectors.

1. Does your activity have a significant commercial purpose or character?

Do you fossick/prospect for commercial reasons and in a commercially viable manner?

2. Do you have a purpose of profit as well as a prospect of profit?

To be deemed a business (if you wanted to become one) & thus claim expenses etc. you would need to show how fossicking/prospecting can make a profit, even if it does not make a profit in the short term. This would require exploration, sampling & professional reports on an areas potential returns vs. costs to fossick/prospect - hard to do on allowable fossicking/prospecting land. How do you show that you can get x amount of gold fossicking over x amount of time.
I wish they would deem my activities as a business. The business loss tax offsets would see me get some nice tax returns & I'd still get to enjoy my hobby + get a return regardless of finds :D

3. Is there repetition and regularity to your activity?

Do you fossick/prospect on certain days for a set amount of time in order to get a return? Or is it more sporadic - a day here, a couple of hours there, a week on holidays etc?

4. Is your activity planned, organised and carried on in a business-like manner?

Have you registered a business name, whether you have the intention of making a profit rather than just earning some income, have set up a separate bank account for the business, do you keep accounting records for the activities of the business, and whether you operate from business premises.

5. Is your activity better described as a hobby, recreation or sporting activity?

If the manner in which you fossick/prospect shows that it is more properly considered a hobby, recreation or sporting activity, then it will not constitute a business.
 
Mate i can only tell you what they told me. weather you are right or wrong i cant say. cheers
 
Not doubting what they told you - just conflicts with some of their online info.
Either way $75,000 is a lot of 2 gram days :lol:
That info is freely available & some of the factors that tribunals + courts use in determining if you are a business or not (if it ever got that far).
I would need to have a pretty nice one off lucky or by-chance find to crack $75k but I do usually cover fuel etc. Being within an hour or so, & in some cases a lot closer, of quite a few goldfields keeps my costs minimal & even a gram can cover things if I was inclined to be keeping track of costs vs. returns which I'm not.
 
HAHAHHAA Oh god, i have not made anywhere near the amount i have sunk into this... But for me it's a hobby, so i'm not planning on making money out of it.

Who knows, one day i could get lucky... but i do it for the experience.
 
Bazz said:
Hey JB

Thanks for that
Cheers

Hi Bazz thanks mate. I put that paper work up to show members the type of paper work they need to fill out when dealing with a refiner. I may note if you have a large parcel of gold to sell stay away from flea bay and forums you will only become a target. Just my thoughts cheers Jembaicumbene
 
rc62burke said:
The way I see it if you have never broken even or profited you are not looking in the right places! I made a profit from the 3rd trip & am still in front (2009 till now)
Lee

I would be interested how many nsw people reckon they profit from a day trip chasing the alluvial gold . I am sure If I travelled further the rewards would get better. I am pretty sure anyone that averages more than a gram or two a day in the areas I go are probably catching fish 8ft long aswell. I have seen about 8grams and the bloke went back and dug in every direction and only recovered a quarter of that.
But hey either I am one of the honest ones or maybe I am doing it all wrong :)
 
So True aussiefarmer,
I know of many that have been prospecting for years and most don,t really get much gold frequently.
You could not live on the proceeds of around a gram a day with today,s expenses etc.
I think good finds will decline in the future with so many doing it and many areas been closed off to access in the name of conservation.
 
aussiefarmer said:
rc62burke said:
The way I see it if you have never broken even or profited you are not looking in the right places! I made a profit from the 3rd trip & am still in front (2009 till now)
Lee

I would be interested how many nsw people reckon they profit from a day trip chasing the alluvial gold . I am sure If I travelled further the rewards would get better. I am pretty sure anyone that averages more than a gram or two a day in the areas I go are probably catching fish 8ft long aswell. I have seen about 8grams and the bloke went back and dug in every direction and only recovered a quarter of that.
But hey either I am one of the honest ones or maybe I am doing it all wrong :)

There is a few around mate. The rule of thumb goes a bit like this in regards to a prospecting area. If the area is easy to access by foot or car than you will only do ok. But there are exceptions to the rule Tuena is one if you know its secret. ;)
 
To be honest I had found more of gold in the parks and sports ovals then in the bush. The coin shooting subsidized my trips to the bush and I still show reasonable profit.
I don't mind that I often return without a nugget or with just few spec from panning. Although it is kind of nice to come back with 1 gram, I'm looking for something bit bigger. Like twenty ounces or more. I know that I may never find the big one or the patch that will produce decent amount of gold, but hey that how cookie crumbles. You win some you loose some.
Karl
 
Jembaicumbene said:
Bazz said:
Hey JB

Thanks for that
Cheers

Hi Bazz thanks mate. I put that paper work up to show members the type of paper work they need to fill out when dealing with a refiner. I may note if you have a large parcel of gold to sell stay away from flea bay and forums you will only become a target. Just my thoughts cheers Jembaicumbene

Hey JB

Thanks, Good Advice

Bazz
 

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