Australian Medical Experiments on Baboons
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oop: to take the heat off other matters ,,
All the media coverage about roundup causing cancer for weeks and now only one paragraph buried in the land newspaper stating the EPA has found it to not cause cancer in anyway when the instructions on label are followed , and they also proved it is not a carcinogenic and couldnt cause cancer anyway.
Swap the baboons for criminals that show no remorse :bomb:
oop: to take the heat off other matters ,, All the media coverage about roundup causing cancer for weeks and now only one paragraph buried in the land newspaper stating the EPA has found it to not cause cancer in anyway when the instructions on label are followed , and they also proved it is not a carcinogenic and couldnt cause cancer anyway.
Swap the baboons for criminals that show no remorse :bomb:
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Another one to the baboons
So, how many Baboons does it take to make a Clump of sapphires???
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oop: oop: :100:It is irrelevant to your purpose here, but just for the sake of accuracy - the baboons are not Hominadae family (they are not apes) but belong to the Cercopithecidae family (often called Old World monkeys). They are physically different in having tails etc. But this is not relevant to a discussion of ethics, only taxonomy.Deepseeker said:
Humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas, 60% with chickens and 80% with cattle, 90% with mice. So it is a dubious way to compare things (perhaps we should add this to food labelling
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I have always thought this kind of thing is despicable, But then it boils down to which among us are prepared to volunteer to take their place or which one of us is prepared to let them take a member of our family so they can practice on or carry out their tests, And then there is the Court of human rights which are going to go Ballistic at just the thought of it and then there is the stink of the fallout from that,
So like it or not then what other options are there ?, You can't go doing this stuff on Criminals because even they have rights and no matter how much you hate them That does not give you the right to subject them to such treatment,
Bottom line is the Uni's and government funded organizations waste so much money on crap we don't need like that collider gizmo a couple of years back and a whole heap of other junk like Arctic and Antarctic research etc when that money could be used elsewhere on those more needy, Who give a Rats if they have found a Mammoth Fart locked away in an Ice Crystal from 2 million years ago, That's not going to feed the children of today or tomorrow, We don't need to know what's there just so they can play guessing games as to what happened millions of years ago because even with all their research they are only Guessing and making up their version of events, None of it is fact but they still keep pouring millions of dollars in to fruitless enterprises so the Rich and well educated can feel useful and important, In the mean time the Kids are still hungry,
So like it or not then what other options are there ?, You can't go doing this stuff on Criminals because even they have rights and no matter how much you hate them That does not give you the right to subject them to such treatment,
Bottom line is the Uni's and government funded organizations waste so much money on crap we don't need like that collider gizmo a couple of years back and a whole heap of other junk like Arctic and Antarctic research etc when that money could be used elsewhere on those more needy, Who give a Rats if they have found a Mammoth Fart locked away in an Ice Crystal from 2 million years ago, That's not going to feed the children of today or tomorrow, We don't need to know what's there just so they can play guessing games as to what happened millions of years ago because even with all their research they are only Guessing and making up their version of events, None of it is fact but they still keep pouring millions of dollars in to fruitless enterprises so the Rich and well educated can feel useful and important, In the mean time the Kids are still hungry,
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The controls are quite strict, and any research using animals must show that prior licensing has been obtained that covers the ethics of research. Universities and hospitals do not steal people's dogs for medical experiments - the source of animals used is also tracked.
Perhaps this link works better:
https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/p...code-care-and-use-animals-scientific-purposes
The controls are quite strict, and any research using animals must show that prior licensing has been obtained that covers the ethics of research. Universities and hospitals do not steal people's dogs for medical experiments - the source of animals used is also tracked.
Perhaps this link works better:
https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/about-us/p...code-care-and-use-animals-scientific-purposes
I guess we might have quite a debate if a few hundred million humans - including ones own children - died of coronavirus because of insufficient animal testing to develop a vaccine, or died of vaccine not adequately tested. It is a bit simplistic to compare this with, say, testing cosmetics. Don't see that colliders or mammoth studies have much to do with this topic (and the latter does not get much funding)!Ridge Runner said:
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goldierocks said:
That's why RJ wears that Mankini
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goldierocks said:
As for the last part they are doing studies in the Arctic and northern America and in the US and in Russia digging up prehistoric sites etc And that funding could be put to better use else where,
It seems that a lot of these viruses turn up in Asia before the rest of the world gets effected just like Bird Flu in 1997 before it spread to the rest of the world, If they had shut the Gates imposing travel restrictions a lot sooner the rest of the world would not have been infected but they let people out of the country too soon, and this Coronavirus was hidden from the world until it was too late to stop it,
Like it or not they have to test these things on animals because we won't volunteer for the job, and if PETA are so passionate about it then maybe they should apply job, seeing how they keep telling us about animal cruelty but there again most of them would not be alive and well if they had not been treated at some point in their lives by some form of animal tested vaccine or medication,
"As for the last part they are doing studies in the Arctic and northern America and in the US and in Russia digging up prehistoric sites etc And that funding could be put to better use else where" (Ridge Runner)
There is only one research centre/mammoth museum in the world, in Yakutsk in northern Siberia where the locals dig up hundreds of tonnes per year of bones to supply the tourist trade. Seems there is some point in having that minimal research done before they all disappear, and the sort of research you mention is so minimally funded that it would not equal what one political party spends on polling studies each year. Research elsewhere is minimal. A Russian academic earns less than an Australian old aged pensioner....
Cutting that type of research would not even be noticeable in terms of taxes and government expenditure - there are better things to criticize.
The purpose of much fundamental research is not obvious to the public. For example, I knew a scientist who was studying plants in Kakadu. Sounds a bit abstract? Well about 40% of modern medicines are initially discovered in plants (e.g. aspirin was from the willow bark and used by indigenous North Americans, and morphine and other opiates come from poppies - the list is immense). The scientist doing the initial study may be primarily just interested in studying a plant and classifying it, only then someone else may study its DNA and chemistry, only then may a medical researcher see these results and test it for medicinal properties. But each depends on the person (s) before them to provide the basic information needed for the next researcher to proceed.
Australia is a leader in medical and other research, and many Australian inventions depended on earlier fundamental research by other scientists (for an unrelated and often "academic" purpose). These include the first major antibiotic (penicillin), another vaccine for the 5 main strains of deadly blood infection Meningococcal septicaemia (blood poisoning), WiFi (which most of you are using now), spray-on skin, the electronic heart pacemaker, the platform for Google maps, the bionic ear, the electric drill, the ultrasound scanner, plastic spectacle lenses, the first escape slide and raft for airliners (introduced by Qanras), permanent-crease clothing - to name a very few). Research funds are not just thrown away, they have hugely important outcomes (HIV used to be a death sentence, now one can live with it and also prevent getting it). Many of the medical developments required use of animals (the polio vaccine, a deadly killer disease in my childhood, was first developed using rhesus monkeys).
There is only one research centre/mammoth museum in the world, in Yakutsk in northern Siberia where the locals dig up hundreds of tonnes per year of bones to supply the tourist trade. Seems there is some point in having that minimal research done before they all disappear, and the sort of research you mention is so minimally funded that it would not equal what one political party spends on polling studies each year. Research elsewhere is minimal. A Russian academic earns less than an Australian old aged pensioner....
Cutting that type of research would not even be noticeable in terms of taxes and government expenditure - there are better things to criticize.
The purpose of much fundamental research is not obvious to the public. For example, I knew a scientist who was studying plants in Kakadu. Sounds a bit abstract? Well about 40% of modern medicines are initially discovered in plants (e.g. aspirin was from the willow bark and used by indigenous North Americans, and morphine and other opiates come from poppies - the list is immense). The scientist doing the initial study may be primarily just interested in studying a plant and classifying it, only then someone else may study its DNA and chemistry, only then may a medical researcher see these results and test it for medicinal properties. But each depends on the person (s) before them to provide the basic information needed for the next researcher to proceed.
Australia is a leader in medical and other research, and many Australian inventions depended on earlier fundamental research by other scientists (for an unrelated and often "academic" purpose). These include the first major antibiotic (penicillin), another vaccine for the 5 main strains of deadly blood infection Meningococcal septicaemia (blood poisoning), WiFi (which most of you are using now), spray-on skin, the electronic heart pacemaker, the platform for Google maps, the bionic ear, the electric drill, the ultrasound scanner, plastic spectacle lenses, the first escape slide and raft for airliners (introduced by Qanras), permanent-crease clothing - to name a very few). Research funds are not just thrown away, they have hugely important outcomes (HIV used to be a death sentence, now one can live with it and also prevent getting it). Many of the medical developments required use of animals (the polio vaccine, a deadly killer disease in my childhood, was first developed using rhesus monkeys).
The research is trying to clone a perfect politician. At least they've got the "running around in circles" right.
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Point taken Goldierocks, but they are still Primates, not rats or mice. And if we are going to split hairs MT, Baboons don't have a colored Arse, I think you are referring to Mandrills. They too were once considered a type of Baboon until relatively recently. But, all this hair splitting regarding Phylum, Class, Order and Suborder etc., is as Goldierocks has so rightly pointed out, irrelevant to the argument.
Kill to eradicate pests, feed ourselves, protect our crops, by all means so long as it's done as humanely as we are capable of. (By the way MT, I admired what you did in an earlier post when you said you only killed a certain amount of Camels in a mob and some other forum member seemed to think he would have got more. You're obviously a responsible shooter, killing 6 humanely with a clean shot beats shooting 12 with some running off with injuries to die a slow and painful death).
But Primates? I didn't know we did this kind of crap in Australia, and the fact that so many people didn't know just goes to show what a dirty little secret it is. The fact these institutions are "licensed" to carry out their experiments, is as irrelevant as Dr Mengele being licensed by the Nazis to experiment on humans.
Kill to eradicate pests, feed ourselves, protect our crops, by all means so long as it's done as humanely as we are capable of. (By the way MT, I admired what you did in an earlier post when you said you only killed a certain amount of Camels in a mob and some other forum member seemed to think he would have got more. You're obviously a responsible shooter, killing 6 humanely with a clean shot beats shooting 12 with some running off with injuries to die a slow and painful death).
But Primates? I didn't know we did this kind of crap in Australia, and the fact that so many people didn't know just goes to show what a dirty little secret it is. The fact these institutions are "licensed" to carry out their experiments, is as irrelevant as Dr Mengele being licensed by the Nazis to experiment on humans.
Again, a bit irrelevant. But fancy butts do occur in baboons (e.g. Hamadryus baboon) and a number of other Old World monkeys:Deepseeker said:
https://www.popsci.com/science/arti...d-monkey-butts-and-why-they-look-so-colorful/
Each to their own. In some cases it is the female, who pushes her fancy butt into the males face when she wants to mate (I suggest no further discussion on this topic, I feel a bit dizzy
Deepseeker, I am not trying to be a smart-arse searching the net to disagree - I lived 12 years in Africa (much of it in the bush) and have visited the mammoth museum in Yakutsk, have lectured vertebrate palaeontology and I lived through the horrors of the polio epidemic as a child. I despise the intentional causing of pain to animals, but do consider my own species to be important (after all, most of us eat animals). I also feel uncomfortable the more intelligent a species is, and favour minimising (not preventing) research using them. Mendelsohn was not interested in minimising pain, modern researchers are - it is an unreasonable comparison as humans tend to abhor causing unnecessary pain (unlike a lion when he rips me apart). :argh:
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goldierocks said:
America has been digging them up for decades I don't know if they still are but the university of Michigan was from 1993 to at leased Nov 2017, A lot of the things you mention were not tested on animals, That's the trouble with copy and pasting,
I don't like testing done on animals but what other options are there when humans either won't do it or there are laws against these tests being done on humans, We can't change that because we are not the law makers, So we just have to except it, People can say they would volunteer but talk is cheap and I bet 99.9% of people who say they would swap places with the animals would have a change of heart as they went through the door to the Lab, I guess the simple answer would be for the scientists to test the stuff on them selves. But that's never going to happen.
Like it or not we are stuck with animal testing and Man throughout time has either wanted to Conquer it, Invade it or Kill it, Much like the deceases they try to cure. because on a Global scale that is who/what we are. :N: :N:
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Goldierocks, I think you just verbalized one of the main things I find distasteful about this. It's the arrogance of us Humans who consider our own species to be so important, to the detriment of all others. And, whether we eat animals or not I think is irrelevant. We kill them as best we can (just as we do to each other legally in times of war to protect ourselves). I realize we have all benefited from past experiments carried out on animals. But inflicting pain in the name of research doesn't sit well with me in this day and age.
disgraceful *******s!...... i'd like to see a few of these empathy less doctors have it done to them or their family. i f@#%ing hate this kind of ********. if i knew the addresses of these butt holes i'd post them online and see what experiment happens to them................ humans screw everything up in this world. mostly the white fella.... yes im white too.
