Apollo Bay - should I pack my pan?

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KiwiKaren

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So I will be in Apollo Bay for 3 days over Christmas. My in laws has a creek on their property which I have never seen as it it hard to get to through blackberies, down a steep hill and lots of snakes!
I have down loaded a map with known gold deposit areas and there are none even close.
Part of me thinks I should just give it a go anyway - that was how gold was found back in ye old days!
Just wondering if you guys do this (randomly pan) and if so has anyone actually found anything?
 
You've got nothing to lose by having a go. I would be hitting the beach with the detector and doing some fossil hunting down that way. Don't forget the surf rods! ;)
 
exclusive access to a creek on private property, possible gold, definite good time looking for it, I would already have my swag, beer and pans packed ready for the trip. As the others have said give it a go, may get rewarded for the effort
 
Guess what karen there is gold on the great ocean road and in the Otway rangers.there were good finds between Lorne and Apollo bay.the exact spot I can't remember.so yes I would take the pan and hit it.you never know you might find no body has ever sampled that creek and it has good paying gold and you can have your own mini gold rush.my in laws are from NZ north island and there friends discovered gold in there own creek the size of corn flakes buy accident. they didn't even know what it was and it is 6 hours from the nearest gold field.all hush hush at the moment so I can't say where it is but I'm heading back over after Christmas to see family and I've been invited down to show them how to process the creek.they are an elderly couple and know nothing about gold except for the fact there sitting on top of it.so Karen with that being said u would be mad not to give it a fair crack
 
Hi Karen,

Definitely take the gear and DWT's advice re blackberries :D

Look up a process called "Loaming" and then sample the creek from end to end.

There is a book by Sam Cash on the Loaming process if you can get a hold of it that will explain it all.

But most of all have fun on your holiday looking for gold. :D

Cheers,

Grant
 
Gumboots are really good to wear offer protection against the blackberries etc nothing worse than copping a thistle thru the jeans! Good luck. Most of all enjoy the holiday! :)
 
You never know what you'll find in the creek or on the way, that's the adventure and at the very least it will cure your curiosity, have fun :)
 
There is not much if any gold down around apollo bay there is a spot down further near castle cove that is reported to have gold
A few places to go is paradise out the back of apollo bay and if you look carefully on the rocks down there the geology is Cretaceous which means fossils on the foreshore and inland
Also outside of Apollo bay past cape otway is a spot called maits rest it is a great spot
May be worth buying an ultra violet torch and looking for gems in the creek
 
Good luck Karen, wih your spirit and diligence I am sure you will find something! Willo
 
never assume there is no gold in a spot just because it has never been reported on the maps.

alot of land was settled by farmers before the gold rush , and if those farmers decided nobody would be given permission to enter their land to look for it then so be it - no prospecting was done by order of fences or bullets whistling overhead.

something else to consider when evaluating locations is that many miners didnt speak or write english , many didnt trust the government or mines inspectors of the day so i estimate that anywhere between 40 - 75 % of gold found was never reported and mapped by the authority of the day.

part of this hobby is understanding nature and the elements , but the understanding of human behavioural dynamics is also a factor.

another little factor is the surprising lack of mobile phones back in the 1860's , you cant ring the mines inspector to notify them so do you travel for 3 days to report their finds in person and risk being robbed on the way , or do you travel for 1 day to port and take their booty back to China / canada / germany , UK ?

easy answer for me

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http://www.egold.net.au/biogs/EG00201b.htm

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When we think of the heady early years of the gold rushes in Victoria, regional towns like Ballarat and Castlemaine usually come to mind. This entry by Robyn Annear tells the less well-known stories of gold discoveries in the town of Melbourne in the early 1850s.

Gold was found in many places in Victoria during the 1840s, mainly by shepherds and farm labourers. Their finds were mainly kept secret, as mining was illegal, all gold (and other metals) being the property of the Crown. No system of licences or miners rights existed; in fact, gold discovery was positively discouraged as an unsettling, uncivilising influence in a British colony where savagery had not long since been conquered. Earl Grey, the British Minister for the Colonies, had said of Australia as early as 1839: If gold is discovered I will do nothing to facilitate it. Rather I would send someone to hide it.

One of the earliest gold discoverers in Victoria was old Jemmy Gumm, who had arrived as one of Johnny Fawkner's servants on board the Enterprise in 1835. During the early 1840s he was known as Gumm the Gold Hunter and lived in a hut in the Plenty Ranges (now the Warrandyte area). Police troopers raided his camp in search of gold belonging to the Queen, but found only crucibles and bellows.

Closer to Melbourne, gold was discovered at Richmond by a labourer digging a post hole, but that was supposed to be a freak occurrence.

By the late 1840s, the existence of gold in many parts of Victoria was an open secret among the authorities and squatters - as well as among a number of Melbourne jewellers who surreptitiously bought native gold from shepherds and encouraged their further exploration. But no finds were made official until the gold rush to New South Wales in 1851 forced Victoria's hand. When it seemed that the new colony of Victoria (it had until then been just a district of NSW) might lose its entire labouring population to the NSW goldfields, a committee was formed to promote and reward gold discovery in Victoria. In July 1851 came the announcement that 'unquestionable evidence has been adduced showing the existence of Gold in considerable quantity both at the Deep Creek on the Yarra (near Major Newman's run) [that is, Anderson's Creek, Warrandyte], and also at the Deep Creek on the Pyrenees, near Mr Donald Cameron's house [that is, Clunes].

And so the gold rushes began - Buninyong, Ballarat, Mount Alexander, Bendigo, and so on. Now, one of the few initial regulations governing gold mining in Victoria stated that mining could not take place within one mile of a settlement or station that was in existence prior to the first gold rushes. That included, of course, Melbourne and its suburbs - which, at that time, were limited to Richmond, Fitzroy, Collingwood, Hotham (North Melbourne), Williamstown, Emerald Hill (South Melbourne), Sandridge (Port Melbourne), St Kilda, South Yarra and Prahran.
 
100% of what I find goes unreported especially when the bullets are whistling overhead. Dig a few holes you have nothing to lose.
 
I would go for gemstones (e.g. agate is known at Moonlight Head, probably chert, jasper - I don't know of sapphires, peridot or zircon there but there are rocks there that could theoretically contain them).

There has definitely never been an ounce of gold come out of the Otways. It is not just whether or not things appear on maps (a lot of places don't, or the maps are obscure and difficult to locate), there are good geological reasons why gold occurs in some places and not in others. For example, the youngest hard-rock gold in Victoria is in rocks of Devonian age - definitely not any younger than 360 million years. Streams can move the hard-rock gold around when it weathers out into the soil and washes into gullies, streams then rivers. However there are limits as to how far streams can transport gold and concentrate it (coarse gold rarely a km - fine gold a long way but probably less than 30 km at economic levels (e.g. 26 km at Eldorado) - it gets finer with distance, more and more diluted by other rock particles and will ultimately float on the surface tension of water and not settle and concentrate). Really big nuggets usually move downslope and may not make it to the bottom of the hill below the source (eg all those over 15 kg at Ballarat have moved less than 300 metres).

That would be the probable reason for no gold in the Otways. The nearest rocks old enough in which to expect gold are just too far to the north for streams to have transported it to the Otways.

Yes, we don't know everything and one day there might be the exception to the rule - but you will probably find a lot more gold if you prospect where it is known to occur.

General rule - be near old rocks for gold, basalt lave flows for sapphires, common opal, peridot, zircon and sometimes ruby, granite is best for tourmaline, topaz, emerald and crystal quartz, Ordovician age black slate of eastern Victoria and SE NSW best for turquoise. Agates in quite a few rocks as with common opal, but basalt areas often best.

And gold is not just "where you find it" - if you know what you are doing it is more likely to be where you predict it will be....
 
never assume there is no gold in a spot just because it has never been reported on the maps.

alot of land was settled by farmers before the gold rush , and if those farmers decided nobody would be given permission to enter their land to look for it then so be it - no prospecting was done by order of fences or bullets whistling overhead.

something else to consider when evaluating locations is that many miners didnt speak or write english , many didnt trust the government or mines inspectors of the day so i estimate that anywhere between 40 - 75 % of gold found was never reported and mapped by the authority of the day.

part of this hobby is understanding nature and the elements , but the understanding of human behavioural dynamics is also a factor.

another little factor is the surprising lack of mobile phones back in the 1860's , you cant ring the mines inspector to notify them so do you travel for 3 days to report their finds in person and risk being robbed on the way , or do you travel for 1 day to port and take their booty back to China / canada / germany , UK ?

easy answer for me

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http://www.egold.net.au/biogs/EG00201b.htm

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When we think of the heady early years of the gold rushes in Victoria, regional towns like Ballarat and Castlemaine usually come to mind. This entry by Robyn Annear tells the less well-known stories of gold discoveries in the town of Melbourne in the early 1850s.

Gold was found in many places in Victoria during the 1840s, mainly by shepherds and farm labourers. Their finds were mainly kept secret, as mining was illegal, all gold (and other metals) being the property of the Crown. No system of licences or miners rights existed; in fact, gold discovery was positively discouraged as an unsettling, uncivilising influence in a British colony where savagery had not long since been conquered. Earl Grey, the British Minister for the Colonies, had said of Australia as early as 1839: If gold is discovered I will do nothing to facilitate it. Rather I would send someone to hide it.

One of the earliest gold discoverers in Victoria was old Jemmy Gumm, who had arrived as one of Johnny Fawkner's servants on board the Enterprise in 1835. During the early 1840s he was known as Gumm the Gold Hunter and lived in a hut in the Plenty Ranges (now the Warrandyte area). Police troopers raided his camp in search of gold belonging to the Queen, but found only crucibles and bellows.

Closer to Melbourne, gold was discovered at Richmond by a labourer digging a post hole, but that was supposed to be a freak occurrence.

By the late 1840s, the existence of gold in many parts of Victoria was an open secret among the authorities and squatters - as well as among a number of Melbourne jewellers who surreptitiously bought native gold from shepherds and encouraged their further exploration. But no finds were made official until the gold rush to New South Wales in 1851 forced Victoria's hand. When it seemed that the new colony of Victoria (it had until then been just a district of NSW) might lose its entire labouring population to the NSW goldfields, a committee was formed to promote and reward gold discovery in Victoria. In July 1851 came the announcement that 'unquestionable evidence has been adduced showing the existence of Gold in considerable quantity both at the Deep Creek on the Yarra (near Major Newman's run) [that is, Anderson's Creek, Warrandyte], and also at the Deep Creek on the Pyrenees, near Mr Donald Cameron's house [that is, Clunes].

And so the gold rushes began - Buninyong, Ballarat, Mount Alexander, Bendigo, and so on. Now, one of the few initial regulations governing gold mining in Victoria stated that mining could not take place within one mile of a settlement or station that was in existence prior to the first gold rushes. That included, of course, Melbourne and its suburbs - which, at that time, were limited to Richmond, Fitzroy, Collingwood, Hotham (North Melbourne), Williamstown, Emerald Hill (South Melbourne), Sandridge (Port Melbourne), St Kilda, South Yarra and Prahran.
It varies around Australia but a couple of comments re Victoria.

a lot of land was settled by farmers before the gold rush , and if those farmers decided nobody would be given permission to enter their land to look for it then so be it - no prospecting was done by order of fences or bullets whistling overhead.

Not so in Victoria - first settlement was 1834 and the gold rushes occurred only 17 years after that, not 73 years later as in NSW. There was little farming before the gold rushes, just large squatter grazing - the population was very small in the wooded mountain country where the gold was then found, it was mostly on the plains where little gold has been found (more fertile soil, easier to clear). and land settled after the start of the goldrush in 1851 was open for prospecting even if farmed. So few squatters that they could not keep anyone off and the police would have stopped them - Britain needed the gold because the Bank of England was in financial trouble (and the colony got good money from exorbitant licence fees - hence the Eureka rebellion). At the start of the goldrushes there were only 20,000 non-indigenous people in the whole of Victoria, mostly in Melbourne and Geelong.

something else to consider when evaluating locations is that many miners didnt speak or write english ,

90% did in Victoria - eg at one stage the central Victorian goldfields were 75% Irish. Even the Chinese arrived with English-Chinese phrase books printed specifically for central Victorian use.

many didnt trust the government or mines inspectors of the day so i estimate that anywhere between 40 - 75 % of gold found was never reported and mapped by the authority of the day.

The government systematically mapped all the goldfields, actually found some of the goldfields itself (although mostly small ones) and knew where all the miners were - every three months they counted the numbers of miners on each goldfield - they weren't going to miss the monthly licence fee payment. Less than 10% would not have been accounted for - it was dangerous to carry gold so most miners would sell it to gold buyers on the goldfields who would then have the armed gold escorts bring it to Melbourne, the amount on each escort being recorded. Likewise the amount being exported on each ship was recorded (only a tiny bit would have slipped through). Far more systematic than say NSW - Victoria is not all that big and there were few ports.

And the general rule in Victoria is that no gold occurs in rocks younger than Devonian (except in streams that flow over rocks Devonian and older). Hence the Jurassic rocks of the Otways are a complete waste of time. It is where you find it if you do not know any geology EXCEPT in those younger rocks like the Otways where it isn't at all.
 
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