Sounds like taking a dog anywhere in the bush is a risk.Occasional_panner said:
Land owner told me yesterday that all baiting is finished. Still worried!
The property is 1200 acres, gold occurrence is about 500 meters to closest boundary.
Aerial baiting, Baits - 1080 information and questions
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Land owner told me yesterday that all baiting is finished. Still worried!
The property is 1200 acres, gold occurrence is about 500 meters to closest boundary.
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This article popped up on my news feed today.
I know little about the subject except what I read in the article.
What is the opinions of the forum members?
https://theconversation.com/air-dro...-the-past-and-its-unlikely-to-help-now-132195
I know little about the subject except what I read in the article.
What is the opinions of the forum members?
https://theconversation.com/air-dro...-the-past-and-its-unlikely-to-help-now-132195
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Just kills birds and any other thing that eats it...Controlled hunting would be much better imo.
There's plenty of hunters with nowhere to hunt. :Y:
There's plenty of hunters with nowhere to hunt. :Y:
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Madtuna Steve would be the best to ask about this as he uses baits on the property when he is ,
Shooting the animals or baiting have there problems associated with them ..
Goody
Shooting the animals or baiting have there problems associated with them ..
Goody
It has never worked in the past and it wont work now HP
The problem with baiting the bush fire areas, is the native animals have nothing to eat ,so they will eat the baits,
the baits will kill more animals than the dingo,dogs and feral cats combined
It is just the state government departments are to lazy to get of their collective fat arses, and do the baiting as it should be done
Dropping baits all over the the place from the air is just stupid
They will say, we will cover more ground in less time and control more pest's
But the stats say ,that a
oop: load of natives have to die, for each feral that a bait will get
Then you have the other problem,with abundant food for the feral pest without cover/protection or injured from the fires ,how many feral's are going to pick up a bait
The only way to do it properly is to asses the area, and place the baits where they are needed ,not a blanket cover from the air
The problem with baiting the bush fire areas, is the native animals have nothing to eat ,so they will eat the baits,
the baits will kill more animals than the dingo,dogs and feral cats combined
It is just the state government departments are to lazy to get of their collective fat arses, and do the baiting as it should be done
Dropping baits all over the the place from the air is just stupid
They will say, we will cover more ground in less time and control more pest's
But the stats say ,that a
oop: load of natives have to die, for each feral that a bait will getThen you have the other problem,with abundant food for the feral pest without cover/protection or injured from the fires ,how many feral's are going to pick up a bait
The only way to do it properly is to asses the area, and place the baits where they are needed ,not a blanket cover from the air
Mate got hit by a T Bone steak laced with poison while out bush walking so no very dangerous.
Plenty of Hunters would do a better selective job at pest eradication.
Plenty of Hunters would do a better selective job at pest eradication.
I say No aerial baiting... It cant discriminate between good and bad Animals... Where a bullet can... Besides as mentioned before, plenty of Shooters out there that need somewhere to shoot..
LW...
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It does seem a bullet would be a more efficient way
Begs the question, if they aerial bait, do the also accurately sign the perimeter of the baited area? If the aerial baits go outside the planned perimeter what happens to someone walking their dog outside the zone and finds a stray bait. Horrendous death. 8.(
Very true Dihusky, I saw it done a few years ago down south and was saddened by the amount of Dead animals we saw... Not one was a Feral... There were a few signs up, very small signs tho and you had to get out of the car to read them but not as many as there should have been.... One Private Property got 'bombed' and he went and complained and they came out and picked up a few baits... But he still found lots of Dead animals including His own Dog...... :brokenh:
LW...
LW...
I think some of the Bureaucrats who authorise this sort of thing should experience the pain and anguish of watching an innocent pet die
Their Innocent Pet...
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Now I know why Ch 7 was at your Building .... That would have been Fun... NOT... :lol:
LW...
Off topic
Now I know why Ch 7 was at your Building
.... That would have been Fun... NOT... :lol: LW...
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I read that article and my opinion is it's a load of crap with skewed statistics and possibly written more with emotions than facts.
Aerial baiting DOES work.
I can't speak for the rest of Australia, I can only speak of how it works here on Erlistoun through first hand experiance and how it works on the surrounding stations through discussions with those with the first hand experience on those stations.
In the article she mentions a couple of times about the lack of carcasses and sort of uses this as evidence it doesn't work.
One of the effects of 1080 poisoning is photophobia. A poisoned dog will seek out a dark place and hide, you generally wont find the carcass.
Think of if you've ever had a pet cat or dog hit by a car or poisoned or bit by a snake. What do they do? Go hide in the shed or under the house.
The lack of carcasses is not evidence that it is not working. The drop in footprints and the drop in stock attacks IS evidence it does work.
When we aerial bait here I am the navigator in the plane and I decide where the baits are to be dropped. They are not dropped willy nilly all over the country side. They are dropped from a max of 200 feet high and only in areas that I cant safely get to and bait in my vehicle. And yes, the station is heavily sign posted, neighbours are informed and there is a strict policy of where and where not we can bait and a time frame.
Strychnine is ONLY used in traps and I've never seen a dog last longer than 15 minutes in a trap.
I cannot relate a time frame from poisoning to death for a wild dog with a 1080 bait but I can for domestic dogs and have never seen one last more than half an hour once symptoms appear. This of cause will vary greatly from dog to dog and dosage dependant.
My Elvis who took one last year was under 2 minutes from symptoms until I shot him but I have no doubt he would not have lasted more than 5 minutes.
Copy and paste of something I previously wrote on a baits thread.
"Not sure any animal is immune to 1080 but it is a fact that many natives have a tollerance to it. Dogs and cats etc only need one small bait where as many natives would need anything up to five or more and even then some will recover.
1080 is Sodium fluoroacetate which is synthetic not natural, where as Potassium fluoroacetate is the natural version found in a number of plants species here in the west that are in the diet of many natives.
1080 used with baited canid ejectors is species specific. Only dogs can set off the ejector.
Dingos will often shy away from a bait where a wild dog will scoff one down every time.
As for crows picking up and dropping baits, while that could happen no doubt, there seem to be a lack of any factual evidence of that happening. It is usually brought out when a domestic dog dies in town. But realistically that can usually be put down to a disgruntled neighbour.
The same can be said for the other myth that baits get transported in the tread of tyres and dumped elsewhere for a dog to pick up. This one for some odd reason is usually surfaces when a dog dies in a van park.
Yes baits are horrible. It's a shocking and painful way to go. But it is damn quick! I shot pup at about a minute after symptoms were evident. I have no doubt he would not have lasted another minute anyway.
Shooting is brilliant. Bang! Dog is dead. But it's not an effective control method as you just dont see 95% of the dogs.
Trapping works well too and I have good success with the traps. But again you'll probably get maybe 1%. The traps are also a nasty way to go as they are laced with strychnine. It is illegal for us to trap without it as the dog will suffer until someone checks the traps to put it down.
I hate 1080. I hate strychnine. But until someone comes up with a better alternative we have no choice but to use it."
Aerial baiting DOES work.
I can't speak for the rest of Australia, I can only speak of how it works here on Erlistoun through first hand experiance and how it works on the surrounding stations through discussions with those with the first hand experience on those stations.
In the article she mentions a couple of times about the lack of carcasses and sort of uses this as evidence it doesn't work.
One of the effects of 1080 poisoning is photophobia. A poisoned dog will seek out a dark place and hide, you generally wont find the carcass.
Think of if you've ever had a pet cat or dog hit by a car or poisoned or bit by a snake. What do they do? Go hide in the shed or under the house.
The lack of carcasses is not evidence that it is not working. The drop in footprints and the drop in stock attacks IS evidence it does work.
When we aerial bait here I am the navigator in the plane and I decide where the baits are to be dropped. They are not dropped willy nilly all over the country side. They are dropped from a max of 200 feet high and only in areas that I cant safely get to and bait in my vehicle. And yes, the station is heavily sign posted, neighbours are informed and there is a strict policy of where and where not we can bait and a time frame.
Strychnine is ONLY used in traps and I've never seen a dog last longer than 15 minutes in a trap.
I cannot relate a time frame from poisoning to death for a wild dog with a 1080 bait but I can for domestic dogs and have never seen one last more than half an hour once symptoms appear. This of cause will vary greatly from dog to dog and dosage dependant.
My Elvis who took one last year was under 2 minutes from symptoms until I shot him but I have no doubt he would not have lasted more than 5 minutes.
Copy and paste of something I previously wrote on a baits thread.
"Not sure any animal is immune to 1080 but it is a fact that many natives have a tollerance to it. Dogs and cats etc only need one small bait where as many natives would need anything up to five or more and even then some will recover.
1080 is Sodium fluoroacetate which is synthetic not natural, where as Potassium fluoroacetate is the natural version found in a number of plants species here in the west that are in the diet of many natives.
1080 used with baited canid ejectors is species specific. Only dogs can set off the ejector.
Dingos will often shy away from a bait where a wild dog will scoff one down every time.
As for crows picking up and dropping baits, while that could happen no doubt, there seem to be a lack of any factual evidence of that happening. It is usually brought out when a domestic dog dies in town. But realistically that can usually be put down to a disgruntled neighbour.
The same can be said for the other myth that baits get transported in the tread of tyres and dumped elsewhere for a dog to pick up. This one for some odd reason is usually surfaces when a dog dies in a van park.
Yes baits are horrible. It's a shocking and painful way to go. But it is damn quick! I shot pup at about a minute after symptoms were evident. I have no doubt he would not have lasted another minute anyway.
Shooting is brilliant. Bang! Dog is dead. But it's not an effective control method as you just dont see 95% of the dogs.
Trapping works well too and I have good success with the traps. But again you'll probably get maybe 1%. The traps are also a nasty way to go as they are laced with strychnine. It is illegal for us to trap without it as the dog will suffer until someone checks the traps to put it down.
I hate 1080. I hate strychnine. But until someone comes up with a better alternative we have no choice but to use it."
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Thank you for shedding some first hand info tuna :Y:
Diced and boneless, yummy, can you send me some camel without the touch up ?????
As with MadTuna,
It works in Wa but it don't work here in the east. :awful:
1080 is very good in arid climates where it exists in it's
natural environment, Feral species do not know what is
going on and eat a bait.
Good Riddance I say...
It is at times a cruel death but,
That cat or Fox aint gonna do no more damage.
But back here in the God protected eastern burnt out bush,
Nup. It kills everything.
Selective baiting is just an excuse. Nothing, Nothing just beats
a bullet. So quick, Effective, And people spend a shite load off
money to do it.
But, They are not allowed to eat or remove anything from a National Park.
" Commercial Enterprise " but the shooter may be paid a "Bounty. "
Very, Very one sided...
Dogooders..... ] ] ]
It works in Wa but it don't work here in the east. :awful:
1080 is very good in arid climates where it exists in it's
natural environment, Feral species do not know what is
going on and eat a bait.
Good Riddance I say...
It is at times a cruel death but,
That cat or Fox aint gonna do no more damage.
But back here in the God protected eastern burnt out bush,
Nup. It kills everything.
Selective baiting is just an excuse. Nothing, Nothing just beats
a bullet. So quick, Effective, And people spend a shite load off
money to do it.
But, They are not allowed to eat or remove anything from a National Park.
" Commercial Enterprise " but the shooter may be paid a "Bounty. "
Very, Very one sided...
Dogooders..... ]
] ]
Spot on Doug, it won't work here and will kill everything... Even Animals that don't eat meat normally will try it in times of no food...
Even Aerial Culling has its issues over here... Look what happened at Guy Fawkes National park on the north coast of NSW several years ago... The Brumby cull that left Brumbies with bullet wounds and still alive to suffer a slow painful death... All done by NPWS...
LW...
Even Aerial Culling has its issues over here... Look what happened at Guy Fawkes National park on the north coast of NSW several years ago... The Brumby cull that left Brumbies with bullet wounds and still alive to suffer a slow painful death... All done by NPWS...
LW...
As Steve mentioned it does work in the West, but as Tathra said it probably is not the solution on the east coast nor would the SSAA Farmer Assist Program. What a bunch of redneck cowboys they are. :N: :N: :N:
Cheers
Doug
Cheers
Doug
