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The deepest nugget found by a detector that i`ve read about, was a 90 ounce nugget found in W.A. around 15-20 years ago using an SD2000 and was found at a depth of 4 feet.
Now, i was surfing the internet and i stumbled upon a website that shows you how to build a pulse induction machine, and it was mentioned that (the theoretical maximum a detector can scan is 5 TIMES the width of the coil). So a 11 inch coil should be able to detect at 55 inches and that would be on a large target as it did mention that the theoretical minimum target the coil could detect is 5% of the width of the coil.
This person seemed to know what he was talking about, and is most likely an electrical engineer of some kind.
Now, this has got me wondering, are`nt all top end pulse machines the same with the amount of power they use, if so then the new GPX7000 probably dose`nt go any deeper than the SD series of machines, i`m probably simplifying things here, as the problem is probably a lot more complex than this,maybe someone on this forum has an electrical background and could enlighten us a bit more about this?
And going further, in history from what i have read, the largest nuggets ever found were within 2 feet of the surface or they were => 12 feet below the surface, so in vic from what i`ve seen of the diggings, is the majority of all gravel layers are within <= 4 feet of the surface, so deducing from this info, i would say that if there is any large nuggets left to find then they are => 8 feet below the surface - out of reach of any current detectors.
If you look on the internet, you will find detectors made overseas that claim to be able to reach 10 metres in depth, but use 3D imaging which in turn shows an object such as gold in a red color, and also gives an accurate depth reading and they also claim can do accurate discrimination.
If any of you know of deep ground were you believe there is probably large nuggets residing and you are cashed up, why not look into this, the next "Welcome Stranger" could be waiting just for you?
 
ironrock said:
The deepest nugget found by a detector that i`ve read about, was a 90 ounce nugget found in W.A. around 15-20 years ago using an SD2000 and was found at a depth of 4 feet.
Now, i was surfing the internet and i stumbled upon a website that shows you how to build a pulse induction machine, and it was mentioned that (the theoretical maximum a detector can scan is 5 TIMES the width of the coil). So a 11 inch coil should be able to detect at 55 inches and that would be on a large target as it did mention that the theoretical minimum target the coil could detect is 5% of the width of the coil.
This person seemed to know what he was talking about, and is most likely an electrical engineer of some kind.
Now, this has got me wondering, are`nt all top end pulse machines the same with the amount of power they use, if so then the new GPX7000 probably dose`nt go any deeper than the SD series of machines, i`m probably simplifying things here, as the problem is probably a lot more complex than this,maybe someone on this forum has an electrical background and could enlighten us a bit more about this?
And going further, in history from what i have read, the largest nuggets ever found were within 2 feet of the surface or they were => 12 feet below the surface, so in vic from what i`ve seen of the diggings, is the majority of all gravel layers are within <= 4 feet of the surface, so deducing from this info, i would say that if there is any large nuggets left to find then they are => 8 feet below the surface - out of reach of any current detectors.
If you look on the internet, you will find detectors made overseas that claim to be able to reach 10 metres in depth, but use 3D imaging which in turn shows an object such as gold in a red color, and also gives an accurate depth reading and they also claim can do accurate discrimination.
If any of you know of deep ground were you believe there is probably large nuggets residing and you are cashed up, why not look into this, the next "Welcome Stranger" could be waiting just for you?

That Ratio relates to what Air Tests can be achieved But it is so unreliable, Using coin sized target there are more factual figures that relate to Coils

And the Deepest Detectors are Two Box locators and MAGS, Excluding GPRs
 
Ironrock have you got a link to the 3d imaging detector site that discrininates gold?
Jon
 
blisters said:
Ironrock have you got a link to the 3d imaging detector site that discrininates gold?
Jon

It does not provide Live 3D Images they are built in Images, The machine picks the image that resembles the size of the Target.
 
Theoretical maximums are never reached in any kind of machinery. In case of detectors there is lot of things that make it inefficient. Some part of the signal will be lost as heat. The filtering will not only attenuate ground noise but wanted signal as well. Electronics components will introduce noise and the noise will rise with temperature rising. A/D convertor will round up signal therfore loosing some information. External EMI interference will futher degrade wanted signal. Microprocessor programming also play role how well is the signal processed.
And on end of it all you have human with various levels of experience and attention to what are they doing.
I'm sure there more of variables that I forgot to mention.
Karl
 
Thanks Ridge runner for that link i was looking at a website called OKM DETECTORS a german company which by the way has`nt updated it`s website since 2008.
And thanks to KarlS for somewhat of an explanation as to what might be going on electrically.
 
ironrock said:
Thanks Ridge runner for that link i was looking at a website called OKM DETECTORS a german company which by the way has`nt updated it`s website since 2008.
And thanks to KarlS for somewhat of an explanation as to what might be going on electrically.

Yes The OKM was the other one, Really A Person would be better off with The Garrett ATX or GPX 5000 or the TDI Pro oz Aeries,

The Cave/Void Function they Advertise Is A Con, It works Like Ground Balancing But when you have GB the Detector and take the Ground Away The Detector Howls, So its nothing special,

Its A Trick and You Can Do It especially with the TDI SL and the TDI Pro/OZ

Hope This Helps,, John
 
ironrock said:
Thanks Ridge runner for that link i was looking at a website called OKM DETECTORS a german company which by the way has`nt updated it`s website since 2008.
And thanks to KarlS for somewhat of an explanation as to what might be going on electrically.

the german company is a scam site
 
ironrock said:
The deepest nugget found by a detector that i`ve read about, was a 90 ounce nugget found in W.A. around 15-20 years ago using an SD2000 and was found at a depth of 4 feet.
Now, i was surfing the internet and i stumbled upon a website that shows you how to build a pulse induction machine, and it was mentioned that (the theoretical maximum a detector can scan is 5 TIMES the width of the coil). So a 11 inch coil should be able to detect at 55 inches and that would be on a large target as it did mention that the theoretical minimum target the coil could detect is 5% of the width of the coil.
This person seemed to know what he was talking about, and is most likely an electrical engineer of some kind.

Having working in the electronics industry for many years and have built lots of experimental detectors and coils - PI, VLF, bi-polar pulsing (basically a pi) - none have ever reached their theoretical targets. And I have spent many hours by upgrading component specs to improve.

ironrock said:
Now, this has got me wondering, are`nt all top end pulse machines the same with the amount of power they use, if so then the new GPX7000 probably dose`nt go any deeper than the SD series of machines, i`m probably simplifying things here, as the problem is probably a lot more complex than this,maybe someone on this forum has an electrical background and could enlighten us a bit more about this?

Not sure where you got this info but they certainly do not use the same power. Some may use the same battery voltage but the amount of energy sent to the coil varies widely. As does frequency, pulse widths, pulse trains etc.

ironrock said:
And going further, in history from what i have read, the largest nuggets ever found were within 2 feet of the surface or they were => 12 feet below the surface, so in vic from what i`ve seen of the diggings, is the majority of all gravel layers are within <= 4 feet of the surface, so deducing from this info, i would say that if there is any large nuggets left to find then they are => 8 feet below the surface - out of reach of any current detectors.
If you look on the internet, you will find detectors made overseas that claim to be able to reach 10 metres in depth, but use 3D imaging which in turn shows an object such as gold in a red color, and also gives an accurate depth reading and they also claim can do accurate discrimination.
If any of you know of deep ground were you believe there is probably large nuggets residing and you are cashed up, why not look into this, the next "Welcome Stranger" could be waiting just for you?

I have read stories of such machines but never seen any proof that they work. To get really deep targets the theory tells us that you need a larger coil. Its not practical in most areas to be dragging a 1 meter coil around. Maybe in the future new technology will evolve that will change all that... and I will be in the queue to buy one of those machines lol
 
Thanks Steelpat, ok; you have hands on experience in the electronics industry, so would be more than qualified to answer me this question, but by answering this question truthfully you might upset alot of people in the process.
Ok; you say the power output is not the same , disregarding the battery, what is it exactly that gives the machine it`s depth, if you cant rely on the theoretical maximum of the coil as mentioned previously?
I don`t believe that the new GPZ 7000 or the previous GPX models go any deeper than the SD series, but what i do believe is these machines have better tunings on the smaller gold at greater depth than what the SD machines could achieve, would i be right on this?
Like i said in my 1st post, the deepest nugget or any object for that matter is 4 feet found by SD2000 that i have read about, why have`nt we heard of deeper objects being found by these newer machines?
I believe $10700 for the new GPZ 7000 is grossly overpriced considering that the goldfields have been flogged to death, for that money this machine should have the capabilities that these overseas companies claim their products have ; ie screen that shows size, shape and depth of target, and with an almost precise discriminator, 100% precise probably not possibly?
 
I've seen a few vids of meteorite hunters in Sweden using a pull along coil attached to the detector, about a metre in width, in forests. I think it was a deep hunter pro us edition with a home made pvc coil. Yes it did achieve good depths and yes obviously the ground coverage is increased. Obviously not good on small gold and in trashy areas would be an absolute nightmare, let alone clay hard pack! Although not bad if you have a bob cat handy.
 
ironrock said:
Thanks Steelpat, ok; you have hands on experience in the electronics industry, so would be more than qualified to answer me this question, but by answering this question truthfully you might upset alot of people in the process.
Ok; you say the power output is not the same , disregarding the battery, what is it exactly that gives the machine it`s depth, if you cant rely on the theoretical maximum of the coil as mentioned previously?
I don`t believe that the new GPZ 7000 or the previous GPX models go any deeper than the SD series, but what i do believe is these machines have better tunings on the smaller gold at greater depth than what the SD machines could achieve, would i be right on this?
Like i said in my 1st post, the deepest nugget or any object for that matter is 4 feet found by SD2000 that i have read about, why have`nt we heard of deeper objects being found by these newer machines?
I believe $10700 for the new GPZ 7000 is grossly overpriced considering that the goldfields have been flogged to death, for that money this machine should have the capabilities that these overseas companies claim their products have ; ie screen that shows size, shape and depth of target, and with an almost precise discriminator, 100% precise probably not possibly?

I know of a person that found a piece of steel 4" pipe the size of a Coke Bottle at over 4 feet down and I have found Tunnel supports over 6 feet down, The depth is related to the size of the object and the material the item is made from,
 
A GPZ will go deeper than a SD2000, especially on a 90 ounce nugget. The reason it hasnt happened yet is that no one has walked over a 90 oz nugget with another machine. If you have a look on Facebook, many detectors have found objects deeper than 4ft. I know someone recently (with a GPZ) who dug down around 5ft for what turned out to be a cable.

If you do a little more research - perhaps even look getting a book 'Inside the Metal Detector' it will answer all your questions. At 10700. a GPZ is expensive but users are constantly finding gold in ground that has been flogged to death by other machines. The other companies you are quoting have been exposed as scams on many other sites. None have been able to produce a machine you are describing.
 
SteelPat said:
A GPZ will go deeper than a SD2000, especially on a 90 ounce nugget. The reason it hasnt happened yet is that no one has walked over a 90 oz nugget with another machine. If you have a look on Facebook, many detectors have found objects deeper than 4ft. I know someone recently (with a GPZ) who dug down around 5ft for what turned out to be a cable.

If you do a little more research - perhaps even look getting a book 'Inside the Metal Detector' it will answer all your questions. At 10700. a GPZ is expensive but users are constantly finding gold in ground that has been flogged to death by other machines. The other companies you are quoting have been exposed as scams on many other sites. None have been able to produce a machine you are describing.

I think the ZEDs ability to see what it does is more related to it's advanced Soil Timings and of coarse that 14" Coil has a lot to do with it as many here are finding out by using the new 14" Coiltek Coil.
 
I have A 15" Concentric VLF Coil and it can see Items Smaller than 0.06 grams, yet it is Totally Nuts when it comes to Depth, In Good Ground I would hate to think how Deep it could see something like A 90oz Nugget Or Bigger Items, It will Hit Coins at 3 feet +/-

This Coil is Like A VLFs Version of A Mono Coil.
 

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