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And there is Job Network Agency's that are given funding to people of long term unemployment after the first 3 months of being unemployed to help them in finding a job, They buy clothes for them fuel cards and even buy them bicycle's to help them look for a job or to get to and from a job etc. etc. and help pay for rego and a variety of other things and I've heard of those same items being traded for drugs or cash just to feed their habits not their children, what can I say I could go on as well and yes it can make your blood boil but people must see it for what is at times and that's is that (it's a joke) and then if that person gets a job and holds a job longer than 3 months and then somehow becomes unemployed again like after a trial period is up they have to start back with a 3 month waiting period before any funding is available to them again and mean while the Job Network Agency gets to keep the origanal remaining funds that is left over from their previous funding its a bit like a vicious circle that only the Job Network Agency's benefit from ... :rolleyes:
 
greencheeks77 said:
http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/mining-giant-bringing-10000-new-jobs/vp-AAlbiym?ocid=spartandhp Ok that was a bit steep I am guessing there will be a few vacancies for a selected few Aussie's like 2 or 3 ;) https://www.border.gov.au/about/reports-publications/research-statistics/statistics/work-in-australia It does seem like the 457 visa's are pretty easy to get going by the statistics, so tell a friend who wants to come to Australia and enjoy a working vacation doing some mining that pays the big buck's in the Sunshine State of Queensland and good luck getting a job with them if your a local in the area :cool:

If you watch the video the Premier specifically says there will not be 457 visas used for mine jobs. It would make no sense when there are plenty of skilled mining people here looking for work, and everyone in the industry knows that it works better to use locals rather than those less familiar with Australian conditions. From what I have seen a lot of the hype about 457 is invention - it gets votes for governments to say that they are cutting back on them, or for the opposition to say that they are being abused (there was a period of abuse, but the number issued each year has been declining steadily and rapidly since Labor was still in). And the problem was not the conditions under which they were issued, but crooks falsifying that people met those conditions - you can change laws as much as you want but you really need to stop the crooks when that is the real problem. The reality is that the work force depends on 457s, and that although the media emphasises those minority without special skills, most are brought in for their skills - e.g. not everyone can fill an empty endicrinologist position. There is a high mobility in certain areas of employment around the world, particularly education, mining, medicine - and these take up a lot of the skilled vacancies at various times. It is 2-way, they come here and we go there, and governments recognise that as normal - change our rules and they change theirs, and we lose exchange of fresh and different experience. Australia cannot provide me with continuity of employment in mining throughout my life, I have seen at least 4 bust periods, so like many people I work overseas in the Australian downturns (12 years out of 48 in my case). In less skilled cases many are filling jobs that Australians won't fill - without 457s Grandma would be in a desparate position in most care homes - very difficult to fill positions in many areas of aged care (I have torn my hair out getting aged family help - I say we are willing to pay, they say that is irrelevant if there is noone to pay the money to).
 
One time I was going around my great town handing out resumes and I came to the local council depot and was talking to the bloke that was in charge and we seemed to get along quite well he told me that they only employed people through a certain Job network agency that I was not with but a lot of similar people go through that particular one and they only send him people that don't really have any work ethic and don't seem to want to work but he must give them a trial period that has been arranged with the agency and hardly ever given someone that has experience and he couldn't understand it, well I told him how the system worked as in the funding and how its all kept by the agency after that 3 month agreement is up now we are talking in excess of $10,00 for each client so every time they send him someone and they don't work out the agency makes a nice little profit I must say he was quite shocked and told me that, he was going to look further into it but who knows if he did or not maybe it was a case of hear no evil see no evil know no evil ... ;)
 
I wont get into the politics of it Goldierocks all I can say is that we will see how it pans out and hope they stay true to their word if that's the case and I hope we benefit from it and not other countries, as its been said before most genuine people are willing to be trained in whatever area where there is a vacancy available but it seems all to often them jobs are given to people from other countries before we are even given a thought.. and I must of missed the bit where she said that there will be NO 457 visa's allowed with this company if that's the case well My Bad
EDIT: Again I watched it and listened to her and I swear i didn't hear any mention of 457 visa's at all so maybe we are both watching 2 totally different news articles goldierocks all I heard was the Great Barrier Reef is going to need to be policed because it is obviously close by the mining area and could be at risk from being totally screwed by poor management and the likes :rolleyes:
goldierocks said:
greencheeks77 said:
http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/mining-giant-bringing-10000-new-jobs/vp-AAlbiym?ocid=spartandhp Ok that was a bit steep I am guessing there will be a few vacancies for a selected few Aussie's like 2 or 3 ;) https://www.border.gov.au/about/reports-publications/research-statistics/statistics/work-in-australia It does seem like the 457 visa's are pretty easy to get going by the statistics, so tell a friend who wants to come to Australia and enjoy a working vacation doing some mining that pays the big buck's in the Sunshine State of Queensland and good luck getting a job with them if your a local in the area :cool:

If you watch the video the Premier specifically says there will not be 457 visas used for mine jobs. It would make no sense when there are plenty of skilled mining people here looking for work, and everyone in the industry knows that it works better to use locals rather than those less familiar with Australian conditions. From what I have seen a lot of the hype about 457 is invention - it gets votes for governments to say that they are cutting back on them, or for the opposition to say that they are being abused (there was a period of abuse, but the number issued each year has been declining steadily and rapidly since Labor was still in). And the problem was not the conditions under which they were issued, but crooks falsifying that people met those conditions - you can change laws as much as you want but you really need to stop the crooks when that is the real problem. The reality is that the work force depends on 457s, and that although the media emphasises those minority without special skills, most are brought in for their skills - e.g. not everyone can fill an empty endicrinologist position. There is a high mobility in certain areas of employment around the world, particularly education, mining, medicine - and these take up a lot of the skilled vacancies at various times. It is 2-way, they come here and we go there, and governments recognise that as normal - change our rules and they change theirs, and we lose exchange of fresh and different experience. Australia cannot provide me with continuity of employment in mining throughout my life, I have seen at least 4 bust periods, so like many people I work overseas in the Australian downturns (12 years out of 48 in my case). In less skilled cases many are filling jobs that Australians won't fill - without 457s Grandma would be in a desparate position in most care homes - very difficult to fill positions in many areas of aged care (I have torn my hair out getting aged family help - I say we are willing to pay, they say that is irrelevant if there is noone to pay the money to).
 
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1. Coal from the mine is proposed to be transported by a new 189km rail line to the Port of Abbot Point for export principally to India to be burnt for electricity production.

2. Adani also proposes to expand the Port of Abbot Point to increase its capacity.

3. The contribution that the burning of the coal from the mine will make to climate change, thereby contributing to environmental harm to the Great Barrier Reef World Heritage Area due to climate change;

4. Global warming is primarily a problem of too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This carbon overload is caused mainly when we burn fossil fuels like coal

5. Adani initially proposed to extract up to 60 million tonnes per annum of product coal for 150 years from an estimated coal resource of 8.3 billion tonnes. It subsequently reduced the project lifetime to 60 years and estimated total production of 2.3 billion tonnes of thermal coal.

Government Statements Prior on Global Warming
6. The impacts of global warming are already being felt and will continue to be so even after we reach global net zero emissions.

7. Australia will contribute at least $1 billion over the next five years from our existing aid budget both to build climate resilience and reduce emissions.
 
That's a very meticulous layout Minelab Gold,Now I understand why its not a great idea for the Great Barrier Reef when it comes to Ballast tank discharging and everything that's released with it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast_water_discharge_and_the_environment I remember it wasn't to long ago cargo ships were responsible for the deadly invasion of The Northern Pacific Seastar here in Victoria
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and it still to this day gives our marine life grief they even had scuba divers trying to pick them up by hand lol that was a bit of a joke now they are talking about building small underwater robots to locate them and kill them instead a bit like a search and destroy missionhttp://www.depi.vic.gov.au/forestry-and-land-use/coasts/marine/marine-pests/northern-pacific-seastar and that's just one example, I guess everything has a price doesn't it or one could say the Great Barrier Reef is going to pay the price for the mine to operate, as a scuba diver I am "appalled at the economic incompetence of some ministers".. and the fact that the public will just stand by and watch the Great Barrier Reef get destroyed by another country just for a few jobs and a couple of $$$ bucks $$$ is mind blowing :rolleyes:
 
That is meant to be $10,000 dollars for each client NOT $10 :lol: just incase everyone was thinking WTF is he on about :lol:

greencheeks77 said:
One time I was going around my great town handing out resumes and I came to the local council depot and was talking to the bloke that was in charge and we seemed to get along quite well he told me that they only employed people through a certain Job network agency that I was not with but a lot of similar people go through that particular one and they only send him people that don't really have any work ethic and don't seem to want to work but he must give them a trial period that has been arranged with the agency and hardly ever given someone that has experience and he couldn't understand it, well I told him how the system worked as in the funding and how its all kept by the agency after that 3 month agreement is up now we are talking in excess of $10,00 for each client so every time they send him someone and they don't work out the agency makes a nice little profit I must say he was quite shocked and told me that, he was going to look further into it but who knows if he did or not maybe it was a case of hear no evil see no evil know no evil ... ;)
 
Apologies, wrong video of the Premier saying that - this is it I think (I watched a few):

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...-mine-a--shot-in-the-arm--for-queensland.html

Also, 457 visas are only about 0.6% of the workforce, so if 10,000 jobs are created, 9940 would not be 457 visas even if they were employed, so I don't see the mine as negative for employment. And although I don't think a poliies word is worth a pinch of camel dung, the reason she is saying it is because she knows it would be illogical to use 457s when there are so many skilled locals available - I work in the industry and I know the reason in the past is usually that people are needed urgently and are not available in Australia for a long time (since using 457 people tends to be slow and expensive itself).

There are other issues than employment that are mentioned here as well, but the alternative to having things like this plus safeguards is to close Queensland down and use it all as a park - even farming is a major threat to the reef. There are limits to what is achievable if we are to have people as well. Some have argued that human climate change and its change of acidity in sea water will destroy the reef anyway. Not that I am wishing any of this. We always argue we must have less impact, but that is per person, and we have one of the fastest growing populations in the world (8 million when I was born, nearly 23 million now, nearly tripled in one lifetime). There are different ways of looking at things, the alternative argument is that we have people pollution....
 
My error, 0.6% of the Australian workforce (now corrected above) - so if 10,000 jobs were created and the average number of 457s were issued (contrary to the company and Premiers statements), it would be 9940 jobs for Australians created. That is what I mean about the pollies and the press beating the issue up for their own ends (votes, news stories). They are simply not such a large percentage of the workforce. Foreigners with 457-visas must have skills and can lose their visas if they are unemployed in Australia more than 28 days. We accept about twice as many NEW immigrants EVERY year as there are TOTAL 457 visa holders in Australia at any time.

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There is just so much mythology as pollies in particular try to mislead us - there is nothing like a bit of anti-foreigner sentiment to get votes by telling us that they are disadvantaging us in some way. The AVERAGE income of 457 visa holders is $96,000 per year - they are overwhelmingly well-trained and qualified and are brought in because there are not the people here to do those jobs. And the number varies with Australia's need - as unemployment has gone up about 1.5 % the number of 457 visas granted has gone down about 40% (from memory, I can't locate that graph).

And that does not take into account the number of Australians who have gone to take jobs in their countries. About one million Australians at any time. So if their countries refused to take us, we would have 900,000 new jobs to find in Australia to have the level of emplyment we already have now.
 
Well I thought Australia was having an economic growth but I was mistaken as well turns out its on the way down , as for 457 visa your chart is nice but unless I see a link for it that has been done from a legitimate source I really doubt your figures are anywhere near being accurate Goldierocks but again the chart is well presented..... http://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/australia%e2%80%99s-economy-heading-backwards/vi-AAlhfYZ?ocid=spartandhp :rolleyes: Adani global head Gautum Adanai has promised not to use workers on 457 visas at the Carmichael mine and will prioritise locals. ( but does that mean non skilled workers or does it mean skilled workers as there is a big difference between the 2 and they are going to need mainly skilled workers so if they mean no 547 visa's for workers I wouldn't take that for being across the table , remember its not what you say but how you say it :lol: )

EDIT I do see that the chart is from the immigration department so my apology's Goldierocks but I am a firm believer of the saying(don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see) ;)
 
I don't really follow what the issue is - the employment advantage (or not) of the mine, or 457 visas?

Figures are readily available all over the place for 457 statistics, and since it involves the issue of a visa in every case, it would be a gift to any Opposition for any Government to falsify figures on visas it issues - a rather serious offence. I don't trust pollies as far as I can throw them, but they have to watch their backs on things that could end their careers or even put them in gaol. There is no such thing as an unskilled 457 visa unless something changed recently, and they are only issued for 4 years and they cannot be unemployed for more than 28 days. And as I pointed out, such things are reciprocated by other countries, so if the less that 100,000 457 visas in Australia were not issued (it would be a bit over 150,000 I think if you included those already here who get a re-issue to go to a different job) and other countries did the same, there would be another 900,000 Australians out of work who had to return from overseas, so on balance 750,000 more unemployed Australians. It is something that I appreciate and understand because I have been there multiple times, and it would have been ME without a job.

The figures show that the 457 component of the Australian work force is pretty insignificant. To me, 10000 new jobs, 9940 of them for Australians, beats having no new jobs. And they would certainly have no trouble finding skilled Australian miners, plant and mill operators, geos, mining engineers, mechanics of various types etc in the present mining downturn, so the fact the jobs are likely more skilled doesn't mean that the proportion of 457s would be higher. 457s are just bad economics for a company when there is an alternative. The abuse has mostly been by fly-by-night labour hire companies, and in areas like cooks and clerical (where it is easier to pretend someone is skilled in those areas).

And the new giant port. A new port starts for one purpose but is usually not only used for one purpose in the long term, and it is only when such mega-developments occur that we get these facilities - I saw in Africa what one new port can do to employment in an area. Richard's Bay in South Africa was designed to export heavy mineral sands but ultimately exported much else (as well as smelting titanium slag), including much of Zimbabwe's coal and nearly all the DRC and Zambia's copper, a third of world production at one time (they would rail it all the way from the north in central Africa - the only other large port was in Tanzania and was hopeless). It saved complete collapse of the central African economy at the time, and central Africa was so desperate that it was done secretely by the African countries while they were claiming to support sanctions against South Africa - I used to watch their trains coming south across the bridge at Victoria Falls. Similar things with Portland - wool and wheat I think (when I was a kid), then aluminium from smelters that were established there, now it is becoming the main export port for the heavy mineral sand mines developing in the Murray Basin in three States (we produce two-thirds of the world supply although it is rarely mentioned). Portland was a sleepy and tiny rural town to start with, and has developed as an industrial centre, and had implications for Horsham (heavy mineral sand processing). I imagine Gladstone might have originally been a similar story. Although close and an extension of the Fremantle facilities, Kwinana was similar and has grown - nickel, aluminium, heavy mineral sands and the new age metals such as the rare earths and gallium. And further back and partly on a smaller scale - Port Hedland and Kunnunurra (Pilbara iron), Burnie (west coast minerals, smelting and paper), Port Pirie (Broken Hill), Newcastle-Kembla (coal and iron smelting), Whyalla (steel) - even some places primarily for other purposes are bigger for being mining ports and having developed smelters etc - Hobart (for west coast mining products), Townsville, Rockhampton, Latrobe valley. Imagine the map of Australia without these and the smaller satellite towns associated with some of them - three men and a camel. That is how a nation's economy - and employment - grows. Nowadays I feel that we oppose almost everything while complaining about lack of jobs (not saying that other issues are not also relevant, and things like mining, smelting and paper mills all have issues to be watched - but farming and urban development often have equal or greater issues).

Anyway, we will see.....
 
Goldierocks For me there is no issue at all with the 457s as it probably doesn't even disadvantage myself from gaining employment in the area where I live( as in foreign workers in my area). I can appreciate that you have a better understanding of the 457' as it seems you have or have had an invested interest with them and I possibly should not make lite of the issues (jokes or take the p!ss). As for your post they are very detailed and I enjoy reading them very much as I believe I can learn from them. I really hope I haven't offended you, as I know I will enjoy reading any of your future post and would hate to see them stop... I guess the way I see things is I moved from the city where I had a secure job operating machinery for over 20 yrs, with a great pay salary and moved back home to a country to raise our children in a family environment, only to be let down by the lack employment opportunity's especially when it comes to earthmoving as its all I've ever really done. I failed to gain employment this maybe a simple case of who you know and not what you know but it is disappointing none the less. My children love living where their grandparents are it gives them a sense of belonging. So when I see all the jargon on the news about 457s being abused as you have describe in previous post I get an urge to vent my thoughts with no disrespect intended towards any members on this forum but it is sad to see a lot of foreign investments coming into the country with the potential to outsource the labour for their companies when there is high unemployment rates within Australian communities.. I myself am looking at doing the relevant courses to gain employment within the mining industry's FIFO and it is going to cost me about 4or5 thousand dollars give or take for me to obtain these tickets, I will have to withdraw money from my super (if allowed) then that will still leave me lacking the onsite experience only with the hope that I can gain employment where I have to compete for jobs over others that have been laid off from other mines or even 457s leaving me to think, would it actually be a wise move??
 
Is it worth mentioning that many are opposed to 457 visas.
The unemployed, those wanting the jobs that are been taken by 457 via holders etc.

Me personally are opposed to it!
In many suburbs around Australia youth unemployment is 16 - 20 %, why don,t these job offers get offered to our young & unemployed?
Why bring in foreign people and pay our own welfare?

Best of luck Greencheeks77, hope you get an offer / start in the Mining Industry. :D
 
Greencheeks - of course you caused no offence, everyone is permitted to have their opinion. I try to explain in detail because I did look into it a bit, and I offer information at times that the media doesn't explain (they just push anything they think the public will like the sound of, and don't understand much themselves). I do get very annoyed by the way both government and opposition try to mislead the public (for votes) and avoid the real issues, while wasting parliamentary time we are paying them for. And the fact that they find anything "foreign" a worthwhile topic to push because it is so easy to stir up resentment about little or nothing (the backpackers tax is another issue but I don't want to go into it - suffice to say that even the media has not woken up as to what was really going on - people think the government succeeded in getting their 15% tax but the truth is more complicated and has to do with Super). Good luck with your work decisions - I can't say what is best, but it might be handy to get tickets that work in more than one industry (I remember how my uncle went under with his dozing business in the 1950s recession and he never got on top again). It could get worse before it gets better, but I am seeing an improvement in my area (I am self-employed and old enough not to be desperate). It will all depend in what happens economically internationally, and economists wait with baited breath to see what Trump does when he takes office - he is a bit hard to predict (eg if China's trade is affected they won't want to buy our resouces - but India is on the rise). It is a difficult decision - it is a lot of money to outlay when not doing well, but when things go right and one gets a good job, it can seem like chicken-feed after a year.

You say "it is sad to see a lot of foreign investments coming into the country with the potential to outsource the labour for their companies when there is high unemployment rates within Australian communities". "Potential" is the word - they don't usually choose to do that unless there is a shortage here as I mentioned. But the other thing that most people don't realise is that we have no choice but to use foreign investment - Australian investment could not finance a tiny fraction of ANY of our industries, we would be poorer than Greece or worse, there has never been the cash here to invest - we could hardly afford a single large mine. And because of the way the pollies and the media represent things, people only even realise that a project has major foreign investment when it is from China, India etc (that "very foreign" issue again) - in fact we are owned by the USA, Britain, Japan etc. Australians don't seem to fully understand what an issue it is. Foreign investment in Australia is $3,000,000,000,000 - 3 million, a million times over. This is equivalent to every Australian man, women and child investing $150,000 each if we had to find the money ourselves (perhaps an average of a million per family just invested in the share market?) - but to find the money we have to earn it from the industries that we need the money to create (Catch 22). Europe and the USA is 53% of that foreign investment - United States and Britain being nearly all of that, and Belgium (with 8%) being a poor third (but still greater than Japan with about 6%). China is only 2.5% (only a tiny bit larger than Luxembourg) and India (like Adani) doesn't even rate with well under 1% - places like the Virgin Islands or the Cayman Islands are twice as much as India. And when did anyone ever complain about Belgian investment - it is just those nasty "very foreign" people that are mentioned? That is what I mean about the major parties - "the plebs are complaining, throw them another carrot" - they play us for fools (probably because it is easier than explaining in detail) and continuue with what they always intended to do anyway, which mostly, with most parties, is not too bad on the international economic front (if not on some others like unemployment, or internal budgeting, so "tell them we are reducing 457s""tell them we will tax the backpackers heavily"). I have my prejudices, but perhaps you can at least see why now....

But good luck - I hope it all goes well for you.

Swinging & Digging - as I have been explaining, 457s are meant for highly trained skilled jobs, average pay for people with them is $96,000 per year which indicates that it is skilled - there is no such thing as an unskilled 457 visa. The youngsters you are talking about mostly don't have the training, and mineral booms tend to be short (I have seen four) and people are needed immediately in a boom and the youngsters can't train up in time to fill the urgent vacancies. And without staff, we would not have even had a boom and would already have been in major recession. I also find that most city kids have not shown interest in remote jobs, although some do - it is a hard life, puts a strain on families and relationships. It also confuses me that people don't worry about twice as many immigrants per year, most of them skilled, but worry about 457s that are only issued for 4 years. I also hate that it is 16-20% unemployment (my city is) and I have helped youngsters in little country towns get into jobs during the boom - told them how to go to Kalgoorlie, get the minimum training to get onto a mine through a contract service and then get the fat pay checks that were offering. Some I helped have done well (from places smaller than Orbost). I have also employed as many as I could through my own employer - Dargo, Gulgong, Beaufort, Lakes Entrance (mineral exploration is good that way - you want someone close to where you are working, training does not take long, only moderate high school education is required, youngsters off farms are far better for the type of work - would you give chainsaw to a youngster from Toorak, and woukld they have a heavy-duty licence)? Australians are not paying much welfare for 457s - 28 days out of a job makes the visa void (although they tend to give a bit more latitude to be fair). You can't fill a position for an endicrinologist required next week with an unskilled 20 year old. There was some misuse as I mentioned where contract firms claimed people were skilled when they were not, but that was largely in the past and the problem was not the visas, it was crooks, and people can exploit all things (like the dole and everything else) without being foreigners. Again, easier for government to pretend the problem is with laws themselves, and say they are changing them, when the problem is really the government not enforcing adherence to the laws. If every 457 position could be filled by an Australian (absolutely impossible) it would still leave 4 times as many Australians still unemployed as who got jobs.

I don't explain these things to advance the position of employers (I could do with some work right now which is why I have time to blog). It is just that I understand how things work enough to know that if things like 457s and foreign investment were completely abolished during boom times as so many of the public seem to think is a good idea, that instead of youngsters having 15-30% unemplyment it would be 70-80%, and 20% in the overall population, with no money to pay for having a dole or pension and no money for training and education. Which is why no major party, Lib. Labor, Green ever actually does it, they just talk about it to keep the public feeling satisfied - and it is also why I don't think we will see such a catastrophic situattion. But it is easier if everyone can understand why.
 
Queensland government employe more 457,s then any other organization in OZ.
 
Yes, mainly because of the large number it needs for rural health services because there is a shortage - a good example of how the press and both parties mislead the public and don't work in the public interests, solely for their own gain. However this is my last comment on the topic, but it does illustrate the point I was making well (personally I take little notice of the mainstream press or the pollies, I get my information elsewhere). I only wanted to try and explain the realities of 457s and foreign investment because it related to mining, and have no interest in getting into discussions on all sorts of political topics with no relevance to mining:


"Tightly held data obtained by The Courier-Mail reveals Queensland Health was the largest sponsor with 999 overseas workers on 457 visas. The news comes as the Australian Medical Association said yesterday Australia had more than enough doctors to meet long-term needs, and no longer required medical 457 workers".


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...a/news-story/f5362e138aac8cda441a76e399b9a375

Of course what the AMA actually said was:

"Without 457 visas, we wouldnt be able to sustain the [health] workforce sadly. Unfortunately these are wealth producing areas of the country but it can be hard to get doctors to move there, Dr Gannon told The Guardian."

George Christensen, the Federal MP for Dawson, has called for a ban on 457 visa workers in central and north Queensland, while Federal Labor has vowed to toughen the rules nationwide to ensure employers have to look for local workers first.

https://ama.com.au/gp-network-news/ama-cautions-against-457-visa-ban

So the papers made up an issue that really didn't exist and sold papers (by simply misrepresenting what the AMA is saying - the AMA said it only about major urban areas and even there they actually said that they were "no longer" necessary there, a recent change). The Federal member called on a ban (that he knows won't happen), and Labor said it would toughen rules but doesn't have to do a thing because it is not in power - so both parties scored political points by pushing the idea that imported doctors are stealing Australian jobs rather than helping rural Australians. It is the State, not Federal politicians who have to keep the health system running, and Queensland is the State with a very large and dispersed rural population (NT is tiny, most of SA and WA are pretty empty of towns) - and we are talking about approx 1% of the 457 visas issued in Australia (that are being issued to Queensland Health, making them the biggest government users but insignificant users overall), and that is the largest use of them by Queensland. I know just how thankful people are in those areas to have overseas doctors rather than none. But it is up to you guys in Queensland if you want your rural health system to collapse.

I imagine some people will see what I am getting at, and I could spend days giving scores of similar examples on this and many other topics, but I am finished on this topic - Goebells had nothing on our press and pollies at propaganda to serve their own interests.
 
GaryO said:
Dont even want to go there! .. This country is getting absolutely screwed day by day while we do sweet F all about it .. And then people have the hide to criticize Trump for trying to reclaim his country from this new world BS that is also turning our once great nation into garbage as well :(

Rant and political post over :(

Hi GaryO
I do not think it would be a good idea for me to go to Australia.
You're right mate
I'm sorry for the immigrants invading your country. :(
Trump is correct because he loves his country.
 

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