Were the Dutch colonies here first?

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Going to have a look, havent seen Les' take yet. During the last (brief) lockdown started scouring the net on early maps and possible early visitation of Australia, theres some mysterious things that pop up.
 
Believe quite a few european ships sailing for Java (spices etc) got off track and hit, many literally, WA, most famous that comes to mind is the Batavia, major **** and murder before a few made it to some outlying islands and a small crew made it to Java to rescue the survivors.

http://museum.wa.gov.au/research/re...-archaeology/batavia-cape-inscription/batavia

The book "Batavia" by Peter Fitzsimions gives a vivid and brutal account .....
 
Its Claimed by some, that the Egyptians reach The East coast of Australia and left hieroglyphs In the cliffs near Gosford ..
But Many experts believe its more likely a the work of some one back in the 1920s that the glyphs might have been made in the 1920s by Australian soldiers when there was general interest in ancient Egypt after the uncovering of the Tomb of Tutankhamun at that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs
 
nucopia said:
Its Claimed by some, that the Egyptians reach The East coast of Australia and left hieroglyphs In the cliffs near Gosford ..
But Many experts believe its more likely a the work of some one back in the 1920s that the glyphs might have been made in the 1920s by Australian soldiers when there was general interest in ancient Egypt after the uncovering of the Tomb of Tutankhamun at that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs
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But some of those Gosford gliphs have only been recently discovered in Egypt.... apparently that is the proof that they cannot have been done after the first world war, because no one had even seen a few of those glyphs in Egypt until very recently. :D
 
nucopia said:
Its Claimed by some, that the Egyptians reach The East coast of Australia and left hieroglyphs In the cliffs near Gosford ..
But Many experts believe its more likely a the work of some one back in the 1920s that the glyphs might have been made in the 1920s by Australian soldiers when there was general interest in ancient Egypt after the uncovering of the Tomb of Tutankhamun at that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs
Click to expand...

Boomerangs with gold tips at each end were found in Tutankhamun's tomb, showing that they were known in Egypt in the second millenium B.C. The report in Nature said an oak boomerang from 300 B.C. was found in a bog in Holland.13 Oct 1987.

Indian snake charmers use cyclical breathing when playing the trumpets to charm snakes.

Aborigines came to Australia from Egypt, India , Africa, Indonesia.

I believe that Australia was likely the last major land mass to become populated by humans.
60,000 years ago this was not a very habitable place and was at some time almost covered in ice sheets and other patrs of the southern coast to inland as far as central NSW were under sea water.( plenty of fossil records to support that idea.

When some humans arrived here from the Northern latitudes they found a not so life supporting environment and many packed their traps and headed back to where they came from where food and the hunting was much better and more plentiful.

A few remained for a while and then likely died from starvation. Several thousand years later when the ice had melted and a few land bridges opened up between here and the North humans and other animals had another crack at living here but even then the country could only support minimal human life and by the time we arrived here there were some aboriginal tribes on the brink of starvation (Probably why cannibalism was practised in some areas).

I wonder how long we would have survived here if we opted to live as the local Aborigines. (No crops, No cattle, No farms) Do ya reckon we would get through the next 60,000 years?? .....Not a chance in hell.....Even living the way were are now we will not get that far.
 
I recon they'll realise Lucy walked out of Africa, but humans walked out of Australia one day.
 
I really thought that the Dutch OR Spanish were one of the first to find Australia... There is a bit of evidence of their arrival around 1600... I can recall a Gun was found years ago at Fanny Bay in Darwin (davent?) buy a kid playing in the sand... That was dated back to around 1640ish...

Then there is the wreck of a Spanish Galleon or Dutch on North Stradbroke island... A few items have been found like part of a gun and coat buttons and other bits that have been dated back to real early days... The Elders of the Island have told stories over the years of two masts that were visible in 18 Mile Swamp back in the 1920's... Several have tried to find this wreck and have found some very interesting things...

http://www.unexplainedaustralia.com/26-anomalous-archeology/7-the-stradbroke-island-galleon

https://peterlud.wordpress.com/2019...teries-3-stradbroke-islands-spanish-galleon/

There also has been some Spanish coins found on the beach near Caloundra on the Sunshine coast and Rumours of a Colony in the hinterland behind the Sunshine Coast...

LW.....
 
The gun was Portuguese I believe and found near Dundee, about 100km from Darwin.
The Maccasins (Indonesians) visited the top end long before Europeans and traded with Aboriginals. They fished for trepang. Macca sun swords, and other iron tools have been found throughout the top end. Detector its around Gove find bits and pieces of evidence every now and then, and Yonglu matha (language) has many Maccasin words in that are still used today. Balanda = white man. In Maccasin means Hollander or Dutchman. Rupiah is Yonglu for money and there are many more.
However. There is no evidence of the Dutch ever attempting a deliberate colonisation of Australia, just ship wrecked survivors. They did map the top end though, most famously by the ship Dyfkin I think it was called.
Also many Dutch names for places up here Groote Eylandt is a classic. https://www.duyfken.com/duyfken-original/
 
nucopia said:
Others have speculated that there was a Dutch ship the Gilt Dragon that was wrecked on the coast of WA in 1656 and the survivors walked inland and made a settlement ..
Its a very interesting mystery ..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-14/author-raises-prospect-of-dutch-settlement/4689488
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G'day

I have read some of the history of the wreck of the Gilt Dragon and other wrecks along the west Australian coast, we have a town on the coast called Guilderton (think that's how it is spelt) the story goes that some boys found some silver dutch coins in the sand dunes, these were dutch guilders and so that's how the town got its name, the survivors of the wreck sheltered in limestone caves on the coast line and eventually, probably due to lack of water and food moved away from the coast and inland, so that would be in line as to what Les was saying that they went inland and it was probably purely in the hope of finding permanent food and water or maybe they were at some stage going to head north to the territory coast to try and get on to a ship as they probably knew that the north was visited by other dutch ships.

There are also stories of blonde haired dutch speaking aboriginals that were here in WA, and also that another thing I read was that some also had a genetic trait of six fingers on one hand which they say was a dutch affliction, there were many such stories and some of the older aboriginals locals from along the coast areas of WA also told stories obviously told to them by their elders of the dutch speaking and blonde haired aboriginals in the area, saying that some of the survivors of the dutch ship wrecks obviously were integrated into aboriginal tribes and had offspring with them, although they have found evidence of their movement to different locations along the coast they really don't know where the bulk of the survivors got to, it would stand to reason that many probably died in the process, but if the story of a dutch colony inland to the east is correct then its very likely that they were the remnants of the shipwreck survivors and that would solve the mystery of where they went after leaving the coast.

This was all before colonization of WA and even when you look at the some of the early history of the Swan River colony there is mention of even American whalers and the like working the WA coasts so there were probably many other countries that were interested in the place, so its not unlikely that the dutch may have even tried to settle here previous to the English but its a harsh unforgiving place to try and survive let alone I would think that many of the aboriginal tribes were not very friendly and would have been a constant threat to the survivors, maybe the ones that were mentioned in Les's story were eventually driven further inland by the aborigines and that's why no trace has so far been found of them?

cheers

stayyerAU
 

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