Using a dredge in Australia for recreational prospecting is illegal - information and questions

[G0lddigg@]

A piston moving in a cylinder is a mechanical device or machine.
A bait or bilge pump has a piston moving in a cylinder and thus the above applies.
If a bait pump (sic) is legal then a slurpee pump would be legal to extract gravel and its not.
It matters little if the device is motorised or hand driven.
A mechanical device, or an eductor cannot be used to extract gravel from a stream bed or bank in Victoria.
Under Victorian law and under the authority of a Miners Right you must use hand tools only for extracting gravel.
You can use a pump to pump water, but not to pump gravel.
A piston in a cylinder is under any definition you would like to present, a pump so again the previous line applies here.
The description of a bilge/bait/yabbie pump or whatever you would like to call it can be changed to whatever you would like, but its
means of operation is suction to remove gravel.
I would ask anyone to show me legislation anywhere that says anything to the contrary.

Show me where it in the legislation it states what a non mechanical tool is, when referring to law you cant just say a piston is a mechanical device so you cant use it. That your interpretation not everyone's.

There is no definition in the act nor does the act refer to a definition elsewhere therefore by law the statement is open to interpretation and thus non enforceable.

My feeling is that when reading a document like this after youve been issued a miners right the assumption is that the document relates to mining. The limitation of a miners right excludes the usual mechanical tools that a miner would normally be entitled to i.e. dozer, backhoe, tilt lift, drills, jackhammer explosives etc.

I don't want to rock the boat as much as anyone else but i cant see the logic in no suckers at all..... I can do the same thing with a brush and shovel accept i'l do more damage because i'll have to move every rock.

 

[G0lddigg@]

no this is not dredging it is manual removal of material just like a shovel or a bruch and shovel.

[video=480,360]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX1wXWl1rk[/video]

That is classified in USA as a Hand Dredge and thus is Illegal... http://www.goldrushprospecting.biz/Affiliates.html

If in doubt ring DEPI and if they are in doubt chuck it out.

mate its not classified as a "dredge" its marketed as one these are two very different things. in this situation the term "dredge" is used for market association designed to drive sales in areas where dredging has been banned.

It clearly is marketed as an alternative to dredging in areas where dredging is banned.

 

[golddiggerart]

no this is not dredging it is manual removal of material just like a shovel or a bruch and shovel.

[video=480,360]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX1wXWl1rk[/video]

That is classified in USA as a Hand Dredge and thus is Illegal... http://www.goldrushprospecting.biz/Affiliates.html

If in doubt ring DEPI and if they are in doubt chuck it out.

mate its not classified as a "dredge" its marketed as one these are two very different things. in this situation the term "dredge" is used for market association designed to drive sales in areas where dredging has been banned.

It clearly is marketed as an alternative to dredging in areas where dredging is banned.

sorry my mistake....yes marketed...

 

[Guest]

You can call a vw a Porsche but beneath the label, it is a v.w. just as
you can call these pumps whatever you like but they are still a suction device, whether eductor or mechanical, and are thus illegal.

 

[G0lddigg@]

You can call a vw a Porsche but beneath the label, it is a v.w. just as

sorry you lost me mate....
you can call these pumps whatever you like but they are still a suction device, whether eductor or mechanical, and are thus illegal.

i didn;t see no use of suction device either...

 

[G0lddigg@]

I will say this. If in doubt ask your local dpi or whoever checks your miners right because they are the authority on the day

 

[GaryO]

That looks a bit different, The new australian way, if in doubt ban it!

Ain't that the truth mate
I designed and built a portable wash plant that can be used under water, the whole system (less the pumps) is negatively buoyant, I trial ran it at a certain "X" lake with mixed success, having the coast guard boys call the parks boys call the water catchment lads, mrs dwt and I were left standing on the bank with final wording of " yeah look mate, don't really know what that dose, or what your trying to prove, but I think it's best you just move on!!"
My response " yeah, no worries cobber, strait after you guys go eat a d##k!!"
Having been escorted from the lake shore, mrs dwt was not impressed.
It was totally legal, hand load only!!!!!
But the douchebags couldn't understand how it worked or the principal of the unit so they banned it from being used in that area....... Hmmmmmmm :|


Ps, the pic of it is on the forum somewhere, one of my first posts I think 8)
HA, found it, (just a bit of time between editing hahaaaa)
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/img/member-images/428/1422343059_image.jpg

Call me stupid but can you explain what this unit does that would make it even remotely illegal ?

 

[Guest]

From what I see it is legal. The problem is Depi and Parks staff do not know the difference between a gold pan and a bucket so when in doubt its out.!!

 

[Heatho]

My interpretation of this law is anything that needs fuel or electricity to run is illegal, hand operated tools should be fine.

I'd take it to court also if I got fined for using one. A dredge is quite a specific tool, maybe if the hand sucker were connected directly to a sluice then it could possibly be construed as a dredge but unless attached to a sluice I don't think it could be classed as one.

 

[dwt]

That looks a bit different, The new australian way, if in doubt ban it!

Ain't that the truth mate
I designed and built a portable wash plant that can be used under water, the whole system (less the pumps) is negatively buoyant, I trial ran it at a certain "X" lake with mixed success, having the coast guard boys call the parks boys call the water catchment lads, mrs dwt and I were left standing on the bank with final wording of " yeah look mate, don't really know what that dose, or what your trying to prove, but I think it's best you just move on!!"
My response " yeah, no worries cobber, strait after you guys go eat a d##k!!"
Having been escorted from the lake shore, mrs dwt was not impressed.
It was totally legal, hand load only!!!!!
But the douchebags couldn't understand how it worked or the principal of the unit so they banned it from being used in that area....... Hmmmmmmm :|


Ps, the pic of it is on the forum somewhere, one of my first posts I think 8)
HA, found it, (just a bit of time between editing hahaaaa)
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/img/member-images/428/1422343059_image.jpg

Call me stupid but can you explain what this unit does that would make it even remotely illegal ?

I think it was more to the fact that they didn't understand how it worked, it's not a high banker, it's not a trommel, it's definetly not a pan..........so let's ban it and the operator, it scared them I guess,
Dunno mate, but when the powers at be tell you to shuv off, I guess you just shuv off :/

 

[dazza513]

When the pump action shotgun was banned here they started making lever action shot guns again to get around that law, did the same job in a slightly different way....(big grey area) The average joe parks officer probably relies on us telling him what's legal and what's not more than we think. Let's leave it a big grey area! Assure the poor parks officer it 100% legal and leave the rule makers to decide when they actually notice.

When in doubt they do ban... Don't give them any reason for doubt!

Daryl

 

[Tathradj]

The feed hopper to me is a fantastic idea.
What it means is you can set it up in a river/crekk bed and run the banker up on the bank so that you are not causing any sediment to enter the water.
Taking into consideration height and lenght, It can be a real bonus when used.

 

[GaryO]

That looks a bit different, The new australian way, if in doubt ban it!

Ain't that the truth mate
I designed and built a portable wash plant that can be used under water, the whole system (less the pumps) is negatively buoyant, I trial ran it at a certain "X" lake with mixed success, having the coast guard boys call the parks boys call the water catchment lads, mrs dwt and I were left standing on the bank with final wording of " yeah look mate, don't really know what that dose, or what your trying to prove, but I think it's best you just move on!!"
My response " yeah, no worries cobber, strait after you guys go eat a d##k!!"
Having been escorted from the lake shore, mrs dwt was not impressed.
It was totally legal, hand load only!!!!!
But the douchebags couldn't understand how it worked or the principal of the unit so they banned it from being used in that area....... Hmmmmmmm :|


Ps, the pic of it is on the forum somewhere, one of my first posts I think 8)
HA, found it, (just a bit of time between editing hahaaaa)
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/img/member-images/428/1422343059_image.jpg

Call me stupid but can you explain what this unit does that would make it even remotely illegal ?

I think it was more to the fact that they didn't understand how it worked, it's not a high banker, it's not a trommel, it's definetly not a pan..........so let's ban it and the operator, it scared them I guess,
Dunno mate, but when the powers at be tell you to shuv off, I guess you just shuv off :/

Fair enough

 

[dwt]

The feed hopper to me is a fantastic idea.
What it means is you can set it up in a river/crekk bed and run the banker up on the bank so that you are not causing any sediment to enter the water.
Taking into consideration height and lenght, It can be a real bonus when used.

I kinda moved my pics and what have you to "WPxdwt" in alluvial gold prospecting, didn't want some clown assuming that this unit was a dredge, ya never know, also saves clouding up what this threads about.
Cheers

 

[Ryan1981]

So does this mean we couldn't use a sniffer bottle in the river???????

GRAAAAAAAAY AREA.............................................................................
LOL

 

[Goldtarget]

Touch. Bravo brother.

 

[Tathradj]

So sniping with a snuffer bottle is dredging.
.
Um... 8)

 

[Guest]

"I m not dredging per say"

I am merely vacuuming the bedrock because mother nature has spilt gold all over it! :lol: and we cant have untidy bedrock!

 

[Easypeasy]

I'm moving all this stagnant water out of this crevice and replacing it with fresh?

 

[Ryan1981]

So sniping with a snuffer bottle is dredging.
.
Um... 8)

Dude read between the lines.it was a JOKE.lol