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Sorry if this is and my above posts are a little too political but i'm over some of these b........s thinking they know better than people that actually do 'use' and respect these places. They want to keep us out of, or control where and what we do on OUR land and i'm over it. I wish they'd just do what there'd paid to do PROPERLY and stay out of everyone else's lives.
I'll go away and calm down now, sorry again :(
 
Its beyond the joke, those who think they know whats going on in the bush & know how to fix it have know idea. They are just creating breeding grounds for feral animals & creating bigger fire hazards, like mentioned above, the amount of wild dogs (we used to hunt them up near Corryong & Tallandoon) getting around & all the blackberries & other weeds & feral animals is getting rediculous.
They stop hunting in parks etc & it just becomes a breeding ground for ferals & weeds & they think baiting & trapping is going to stop the dogs & foxes, its just another costly exercise thats not helping, just look at the government funded culling in some area's of Australia, I read about one pig cull from choppers that ended up costing around $1000 per pig that was killed. Good hunters like alot of those in good recognized clubs (AHN & SSAA) would do this for free but no, we weren't aloud. (my old man & myself were members of the AHN)(Australian Hunting Net).
Look at when they stopped the cattle from being in the high country, just to protect a couple of plants, well them plants were still there after well over 75 years of cattle grazing so how can that be an excuse to remove the cattle, now them parts of the bush are more overgrown & bigger fire risks that they ever were.
Man, I can't stand greeny do gooders & government idiots that think they are helping when all they are doing is messing things up even more.
 
I've signed it but I reckon it needs more than a petition to stop. Is PMAV onto it? I see that Rita has signed the petition but let's hope they are attacking it with more than a signature on a petition.

I seem to remember hearing/seeing that something like this, i.e. mass land grab by Parks Vic, was in the wind when they dropped the price of the Victorian Miners Right?
 
SCROUNGER said:
Sorry if this is and my above posts are a little too political but i'm over some of these b........s thinking they know better than people that actually do 'use' and respect these places. They want to keep us out of, or control where and what we do on OUR land and i'm over it. I wish they'd just do what there'd paid to do PROPERLY and stay out of everyone else's lives.
I'll go away and calm down now, sorry again :(
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I feel your pain, hard not to get political, chin up and push on rewardless :)
 
SCROUNGER said:
Latest i've read is that the clowns down in town are now thinking about using the desal plant (to no doubt justify a bloody huge pink elephant) and pumping water uphill instead of downhill in the north south pipeline (another huge pink elephant). You know who'll be paying for that little example of a brainwave. *****, give me strength, these people have no bloody idea, if brains were gunpowder they wouldn't have enough to blow their heads off. About the only thing they seem to be able to do is start burnoffs on days they shouldn't :( :( :(
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Scrounger you will remember this as will most on here.

Going back some time now, and being an avid fisho at the time, I was one of those people in the Red Tee Shirts waving red flags protesting the dredging of Port Phillip Bay and remember the arguments made by all sides at the time.

Cheaper exports, more jobs, bigger container ships being constructed meant we would miss out if we could't get them in, more jobs and more jobs and from our side environmental destruction of the bay, stronger currents, higher water levels, loss of environment at the heads and contaminated silts being dumped in the bay, just to name a few.

The bottom line, after it was all said and done.

POM introduced a dredging fee to each container @ $65.00 per container, not long after it's introduction it was was soon removed and added to the generic port fees, wasn't politically correct as we the tax payers funded the dredging, to the tune of over 2 billion dollars at the time. Cheaper exports, hows that work :eek: More Jobs, the works where completed by the Netherlands and no increase in shipping traffic or size of container ships?
It allowed Melbourne to remain or be the first off loading port as the fully loaded ships could now get through the heads from the West or the North?
Don't worry about Fremantle, Adelaide or Brisbane and Sydney being logical first ports of call, which they still are by the way, no we had to be the first, to be the biggest go figure that? :mad:

To be fair and transparent the other side;
The environmental destruction of the bay etc., the Portsea beach washes away in very heavy weather when the tides are just right, some justice there :D and water quality at the top end of the bay has improved and the heads have regenerated? Who knew :lol
 
Back on the subject at hand, I just joined the PMAV.

I've been think of doing it for some time and this has convinced me, also last nights show on the history channel shows what a bunch of determined miners can achieve.

Time to put up or shut up and get involved! :D
 
Filthyphil said:
Back on the subject at hand, I just joined the PMAV.

I've been think of doing it for some time and this has convinced me, also last nights show on the history channel shows what a bunch of determined miners can achieve.

Time to put up or shut up and get involved! :D
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I couldn't agree more Filthy, problem is, and i know this from personal experience after being involved with many 'battles' to retain our freedoms (access to the bush and waterways etc) is that on one side you have the far left 'green' loonies who continually throw up ridiculous ambit claims when it comes to locking up the bush, and then you get the "far right' red necks on the other side and once again, the poor old silent (rational) majority get left in the wake of both.
It seems it's always been and always will be that the squeaky wheel (usually the well populated and resourced radical element greens) gets the grease unless of course the person with the grease gun has 'political debts' they have to repay to get re-elected in which case it's usually their mates that get what they want.
I classify myself as a 'green' as would most people that 'use' and respect the bush for most outdoor activities such as 4WDriving, hunting, hiking, bike riding, fishing, boating and prospecting etc. And most of us will happily accept a considered and rational approach when it comes to protecting and even 'locking off' some areas that legitimately need protecting. But the term 'green' has been bushwacked by the loonies and the rest of us get lumped in with the neanderthals that F UP the bush wherever they go.
The above is once again to be read as a scrounger rant rather than a political statement. One day the silent majority may get off their lazy collective 'it's not my fight' bums and be counted and then we might have somebody who will listen to us. IMO. Sorry mods :)
 
Scrounger,
Most eloquently stated and correct.
Your apology is not accepted as you don't need to apologize. :D :D :D :cool:
 
Tathradj said:
Scrounger,
Most eloquently stated and correct.
Your apology is not accepted as you don't need to apologize. :D :D :D :cool:
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I've turned into a grumpy old ******* since (Ok probably before as well) getting back from holidays :lol: :lol: :lol:
Viva la freedom to pursue our activities whenever and wherever we choose so long as we don't endanger others or knowingly destroy areas for our children and grandchildren to come :)
 
Seems to be the way of things now, the masses want to put everything into the square or round hole, for me I'll always take the moderate middle ground and speak my mind, if I was to describe my political\community view I'm mainly a green\socialist at heart but I always listen to all points of view, sleep on the important calls and then let my brain make my decisions for me.
Funny how your philosophy can change with logic and age?
 
Signed and left comment. shared on Facebook. They can change the name of the state forests as much as they want. Won't stop me from doing what myself and my kids love most. WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO.??? :eek:
 
I signed this document on behalf of the 1000 members of the NSW & ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association who enjoy fossicking trips to Victoria.
Enough of excessive and recessive conservation that destroys the public's ability to enjoy the natural environment. Fossicking is an an extremely low impact activity that brings repeat visitors to Central Victoria and contributes to the local economy and the state economy. It is part of Victoria's heritage and needs to be facilitated not restricted. Enough is enough. Fossickers are the only endangered species in this picture. 4WD and camping access is essential to maintain understanding and mobility in this area.

I encourage all members of the forum to get behind the petition. Sure maybe the originator may have put somethings differently but at least the petition is up and running and highlight the deficiencies of the Greens. Be in there and be heard I say. Otherwise don't whinge when you lose your rights!

Stephen Dangaard,
President, NSW & ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association Inc.
 
Stephen,

Thanks to you and your members for your support, very much appreciated down here :D
 
What's going on?

This is a worthwhile venture for all fossickers. With more than 6,000 forum members this one ought to be hot in terms of discussion and posts but it slides away into never-again land in general chat.

If you want to improve the fossicking environment it is worth getting behind petitions like this. Someone had the gumption to get off their butt and create a petition that while not specifically about fossickers has the effect of protecting our prospecting options south of the border.

Whether you live in Vic or not, this is a matter of solidarity across borders.

Puzzled I am!

Stephen.
NAPFA President.
 
NAPFA said:
What's going on?

This is a worthwhile venture for all fossickers. With more than 6,000 forum members this one ought to be hot in terms of discussion and posts but it slides away into never-again land in general chat.

If you want to improve the fossicking environment it is worth getting behind petitions like this. Someone had the gumption to get off their butt and create a petition that while not specifically about fossickers has the effect of protecting our prospecting options south of the border.

Whether you live in Vic or not, this is a matter of solidarity across borders.

Puzzled I am!

Stephen.
NAPFA President.
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We may need to send for a new flag, and I would like to keep the same design personally ... ;)

Already signed, as far as discussing it well I think we all feel that would be an enormous unjust to our hobby and to our freedom quite literally but what can we really do other than signing the petition ?? regards greencheeks
 

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