QED Alternative setup method?

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BrokeInBendigo said:
Raise your ths A pretty high and then null will be the quietest setting. Easier to find it with a high A.

Keep in mind null will change as the machine warms up. Mine usually shifts 3 before it stabilizes. Only really happens when its colder out. Wasnt an issue in warmer months for me.

Anyways, if you care about null, you need to find it anew each time you turn the detector on.

That said I always ran my B on the lower or upper boundary, just before it gets noisy. Found I got the best response on the targets I was looking for when doing that. Fine tune by using a test target and raising A while moving B closer to null. Theres a sweet spot where you get the best performance - since both A and B contribute to depth, but increasing the intensity of either increases noise, there is a point where their individual contributions to depth, when summed, result in the best depth - on targets above or below the GB hole time response. Must use a test target else its a punt. Multiple test targets actually

Edit: if you set up like I described, you dont need to worry about what null is. The important B values are the upper and lower bounds where it starts to get noisy. And those values depend on your A, mode and gain. If you set at null you get middling performance all over, this is the weakness of the QED performance. So really you need to decide to focus on larger or smaller targets and tune for that.

Mate a new owner and learner here. Three questions from the above

1. What do you call "pretty high" THS A? and
2. Logic would tell me that you need to focus on smaller targets as most of the larger would be gone by now but does this mean it won't pick them up if you happen to stumble across? I suppose it would be handy to know how you define smaller and larger.
3. Unless I have misunderstood how do you setup differently for small and large targets?

Thanks in advance

Rod
 
Rodt said:
Mate a new owner and learner here. Three questions from the above

1. What do you call "pretty high" THS A? and
2. Logic would tell me that you need to focus on smaller targets as most of the larger would be gone by now but does this mean it won't pick them up if you happen to stumble across? I suppose it would be handy to know how you define smaller and larger.
3. Unless I have misunderstood how do you setup differently for small and large targets?

Thanks in advance

Rod

hi Rod,

This stuff isn't really critical to operating the QED but I'll try to answer your questions.

1. For the purposes of accurately finding THS-B's null, "pretty high" means, well, it depends. When you raise THS-A, the range of THS-B values that are not noisy shrink.

With a low THS-A (say, 30), you may a range of THS-B values that are silent, maybe its from 45 to 55. So it may not be clear which one is the null/neutral THS-B value.

You could just leave THS-A at factory default (IIRC that's 30), and then follow the manual to find B's null. You're directed to reduce B until it starts to get noisy, take note of its value, then increase it til it gets equally noisy, and halfway between those is the null value. What I described is a perhaps more straightforward and sure way to get your THS-B null. Might also be in the manual somewhere, don't remember.

Raise THS-A a bit, say to 50, and the range of silent THS-B values shrink down to say 48 to 52. If you raise THS-A higher, maybe to 75 or 80, you'll find that there is a single THS-B value that is the quietest. That's your null. Can't give you a specific THS-A value - this is just a generalized process to find your THS-B null.

2. Your logic is sound, an indeed there are far, far more small targets than large. This would have been the case before the big ones had been found as well. By "setting up for small targets", we mean that the detector will be set up to get the best depth on small targets, but you will sacrifice depth on large targets by doing this (and vice-versa).

Small targets are those that produce a rising pitch response. Large targets are those that produce a falling pitch response. You could say that small targets are under ~2.5g and large are over that, but it really depends on the shape, size, and texture of the target. The detector is not responding to the mass of the target, it's responding to its electromagnetic characteristics.

More specifically, for the QED, my understanding is that targets are divided into rising or falling pitch responses according to your ground balance value. The manual has some information on the "GB hole", which is a particular target response that matches closely the signal the ground is giving off. Targets with this response will be totally missed by the detector. This is pretty rare, though. The GB hole target response is in between rising pitch and falling pitch target responses. Changing the GB value shifts the GB hole target response, and changes which targets are rising or falling. You need not worry much about this.

So the question is, do you want increase your ability to hit gold that is far more common (small), but lower your chances of hitting a larger target? Or, do you want to increase your ability to hit larger targets but skip some of the more common small gold?

The Minelab detectors have an advantage here in that they way they send out pulses focuses on both large and small targets. It's not apples to apples but you could imagine that they have both a high and low THS-B value at the same time. This is perhaps the most significant difference between a GPX and a QED.

3. You set up for small targets by reducing your THS-B, and for large targets by raising your THS-B. You can also leave THS-B at its null value and then can increase THS-A higher. My understanding is that you'll get a *decent* response on all targets, but really can only get max performance by moving THS-B up or down from null, and lower THS-A a bit to accommodate the more extreme THS-B values.
 
hippyhunter said:
Yes i got plenty of OT for the next month as the DC i am working in is shutting.it'll be a good opportunity for me to move closer to the gt.so i can detect weekly at the least. I reckon i will get more familiar with it when i get to detect more frequently. It will be nice getting out more too, as i think i only managed 4 days of detecting in the last 1-2 years.bloody disgraceful!! :)
I have a .8 gram lead shot and a ccouple of .8 gram nuggets (one smooth one prickly) for testing on setup. I have a smaller nugget too about .4g i think. I dont mind finding a few bits of lead here and there. It usually gives me a boost mentally cos i tell myself everyone else missed it, and maybee other stuff too

Probably spent more time sitting on the commode than with a detector in hand past couple years... that's no way to live! Yeah going hours without a target is rough, especially in the GT you know that means the area's been well-hit. I agree, you'll have the QED down to second-nature in no time once you get out and about with it more often.
 

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