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What remedies do you use to keep the little blood sucking vampiric Do not deserve to be on this planet insectsfrom draining you?
Other than buying shares in bushmans
I've been working in Mackey right next to. "sand fly creek."
And at present, look like I have chicken pox, and open wounds from trying to rip my skin off.
And putting on "off, bushmans, aeroguard or anything similar. Is like putting on vinegar on an open wound.
Which is funny to watch everyone on the jobsite do the ouchy dance for a minute every morning.

So what do you use. Something that stays on when in and out of the water?
 
Hey XIV
Don't laugh now, but I was listening to a local radio fishin show down here and this very topic came up. A number of blokes rang up to say they had the remedy. Every thing from citronella and metho to the following item which I actually and like.
Ready for it?

AVON SKIN SO SOFT BATH OIL ORIGINAL.
Hey come on fellas stop laughing I have feelings you know. It works and doesn't smell too girly.
Cheers
Mackka
 
We use to burn blackboy spears cut into 2 foot lengths on our fires in a 5 gallon drum with both ends removed sitting in the ashes.. stand them in the drum and they slowly burn down and the smoke helps ward off the mozzies and sandflys... :)
 
kawman said:
We use to burn blackboy spears cut into 2 foot lengths on our fires in a 5 gallon drum with both ends removed sitting in the ashes.. stand them in the drum and they slowly burn down and the smoke helps ward off the mozzies and sandflys... :)
Great for camping but don't think that will help on the job site
 
Mackka said:
Hey XIV
Don't laugh now, but I was listening to a local radio fishin show down here and this very topic came up. A number of blokes rang up to say they had the remedy. Every thing from citronella and metho to the following item which I actually and like.
Ready for it?

AVON SKIN SO SOFT BATH OIL ORIGINAL.
Hey come on fellas stop laughing I have feelings you know. It works and doesn't smell too girly.
Cheers
Mackka

That really might work.
My brother said to me this morning. That sunscreen and eucalyptus oil works as well.
 
Diggerdude said:
Moisturizer cream + Detol + eucalyptus oil

DD

DD I will have to try this too.
Will try just about anything at the moment.
I have holes everywhere on me at the moment where I have scratched myself stupid ii my sleep.
 
Company name: Natures Botanical
Product :Rosemary & Cedarwood oil.

Im probably one of the "lucky" blokes that get picked on by mozzies. If ther'es one mozzie in a room of 100 people, it knows where i am.. :lol: .
Did some research on this a while back because I didnt want products that contained a high amount of chemicals [eg DEET] in their manufacture. I did search through a few caravaning / prospecting forums about this and it seems to me that this product would fit the bill.
The boys out in WA swear by it.
Now the fun part.....its used on horses butts ....to keep the flies away.
Can be sourced through places like Saddleworld or on-line. And it comes at the right price
Hope this helps XIV
Cheers
Chris
 
I love chemicals! We wouldn't be here without chemistry, gold wouldn't exist and the earth would just be a piece of rock floating in an empty universe.
You are a walking chemical factory!

Anyway, back to the question...
Mozzie, flea, fly and other bites are in itself nothing special. It's your body responding to an alien substance, like insect saliva, or bacteria on their bity parts, that causes the itch. Your body responds by causing a small inflammation around the bite and it's this inflammation that causes the itch. Some bodies (mine, and by the looks of it, yours as well) go a bit overboard in this reaction and send a whole area into overdrive, or sometimes there's just so many bites per square cm that the itching becomes overwhelming. Cooling down the area, just like you would do with other injuries, with ice helps a lot to prevent or at least limit the development of inflammation and thus the dreaded itching.

Another thing to consider is numbing the affected area for a while. there's 2 things at work here: the inflammation that will cause the itching and the nerves in your skin which transport this pain/itch information to your brain. If you can numb those nerves long enough for the inflammation to run it's course, you are well on your way to preventing the secondary injuries of scratched skin (which will become itchy as well when healing) and spreading around the initial culprit, the alien particles, all over the area, into possibly broken skin, causing another reaction, and so on.

Soov (over the counter at a pharmacy) works very well for this. It contains lidocane to numb the nerves around the bite and an anti-inflammatory to calm down the bite itself. SO it cleans up the inflammation quicker and whilst doing so, you don't feel a thing!

If you are a bit wary of lidocaine, and you have some broken skin with (secondary) inflammation, you can dissolve a paracetamol in a little bit of water and dab the inflamed areas. The paracetamol will make short work of the inflammation. You can drink the rest for a bit of pain relief.

I would stay well away from rubbing metho into your skin. 95% of metho is awesome stuff (ethanol alcohol, gets ya legless in no time!), unfortunately the other 5% is its lethal witch of a cousin Methyl alcohol, or methanol. Even this small amount can leave you blind, or worse when it has a chance to enter your bloodstream.

Now, to keep them buggers off...
There's not much that keeps mozzies at bay. They've been around for a fair while longer then us and have been the bane of our existence since we first became sentient. Mankind has been trying to find a cure all for this scourge since our existence, since it's estimated that about half the people that ever existed have died from (the effects of) mosquito bites. So it's pretty safe to assume that there is no 1 method to keep them at bay, because if there was, we wouldn't lose 3000 people per day on the effects of mozzie bites still.

The sand fleas can be mitigated by staying covered, i.e. wear socks or put something sticky on your skin, like vaseline, they have difficulty getting through that and if they do, they can only bite once and then they are stuck. This doesn't work for mozzies though.

There's some encouraging results from experimenting with geranium soaked mozzie nets in Africa. The mozzies seem to not like geranium, or perhaps the geranium smell masks the co2 we expel well enough to make it difficult for them to home in on us as targets. The jury is still out the reason, but the results are good. If you can stand the smell, start growing geraniums and wash all your gear in geranium water.

Other than that there's various mozzie/flea/fly sprays with or without DEET. If you're traveling in area's where there are known mozzie borne diseases, be smart and use the 80% DEET sprays and nets and keep as much skin covered as possible. Everywhere else, it's up to you how much discomfort you can bear.

My personal kit contains the repellent spray (blue can) from the Aldi, which so far seems to work at least as well as the DEET laden Bushmans but is a lot less sticky, a strip of paracetamol, 1 or 2 tubes of Soov (or if I can't find Soov, lidocaine jelly that's used for tooth aches), a tube of betadine ointment to treat infected bites and insect wipes found at Woolies to wipe the dog when we find ourselves in fly infested pasture.
 
Hi Piep

A great read. I found it full of useful information.

I will be stocking my prospecting backpack with some more essential kit.

Cheers Monty
 
Those pests don't bother me much. But I drink quite lot and used smoke White Ox. I almost stopped smoking now, so I will find out next summer if it was White Ox that kept muzzles at bay.
Karl
 
Also, a bit of logic reasoning here. Probably the reason all these "girly" moisturising products come up as soothers: dry skin is more prone to itching then moisturised skin. Think about it, how irritating are chapped lips? You can't stop licking them, even though that irritates them more. And as soon as you add some occluding substance it stops.

Occluding substances (like vaseline) work better than moisturisers (like sunscreens or facial creams) because they contain no water and generally nothing other than wax and oil. Moisturisers often have other things in them, some of which will further irritate an already itchy skin. Examples are extracts and essential oils, perfumes. They are also an emulsion of water in oil, or oil in water.

The problem with water in these products, for this specific problem, is that the water evaporates of your skin, and the oils present in the product don't occlude enough to stop the moisture produced in your skin from evaporating too. Occluding products seal the skin of to the outside environment completely. You will not lose any moisture from your skin to the air (or your clothes absorbing it!) and thus your skin does'n dry out (any further) and stays supple and less itchy.
 
No brainer 80% DEET Bushmans. Works on little suckers regardless of the island you are on, was the only thing keeping South Is NZud midgies at bay. I offered some to a couple of euro backpackers after watching them suffer on the shores of Lake Te Anau, before I could advise them on application they had squeezed out a good pile and proceeded to smear all over like it was sun screen - too late, hope they didnt have rully sensitive skin cause I've seen it eat plastic.
First couple of trips OS to malaria regions I religiously took the anti malarials but then found out they can be damaging when taken long term. Spent 6 weeks in Rabaul PNG and got a bit smarter about it - just drank copious amounts of G and T (not really) just covered up at dusk and dawn and used rellepent. Mmmmm do those midnight bouts of sweating and spewing every 6 months mean that my system was flawed.
At Lihir (goldmine off PNG) they run around the camp with a huge spray/mister on the back of a 4wd every avo to kill the mossies (like they used to on flights back to Oz)
 
My vote goes with the DEET users... I couldn't give a *eff how toxic it may be, the benefits gained sways my vote. I don't get sick much but when I do I seem to make up for the time inbetween. The last flu I got was that fatal (not as bad as the world made it out to be, but rough) swine flu during its epidemic. Now back on bites, the next time I was really sick was oct last year when I got a virus from a paralysis tick and man that knocked me upside down and made swine flu feel like it was just a sniffle, guess what the only repellant is that "helps" deter these little blood suckers... DEET, and I'll use Atleast the 40% stuff. I say keep your natural remedies for round the BBQ at home, when I go bush, I want to have some faith in what I'm using helps reduce the likelyhood of bites, rather than wondering if it does. If you ever get something like typhus, or a mosquito borne virus like ross river I think you'll not care about the chemicals contained in an aerosol repellant.

DEET 40% or better is how I roll!
 
You could always move to higher altitudes - we rarely see mossies but the March flies can get big and nasty and keep up with you on a downhill mountain bike run.
 
Oh another thing that has been brought to my attention is odorless garlic tablets.

Something else to keep ion mind.
And It s good for the immune system.
 

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