do you walk away from a nuggety patch or not ?

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a question for gold prospectors when metal detecting and you find a patch of gold and take home your nuggets 1 do you bother to gps plot every find/nugget and then loam/auger/test pan the hill trying to find the the reef that the gold has shed from to find more. or 2 you simply walk over the ground and pick up the detectable nuggets and not bother tracing the gold to its mother lode source ?

I know lots of people that don't bother tracking the gold and I know very few that put the effort into finding the source
 
I'd say Liam and test pan HTY, and I guess ***** the nugget try and work out where it come from, start grinding with your detector and once you have a fair idea test pan, I'll be free to give you a hand next weekend to do some holes
 
Plot the GPS co ordinates,

Fill holes, and return the bush to "as it was"

come back as many times as takes to root out all the yella devils

If I find "ANYTHING" like nuggets I find that I get to a first name basis with all the trees bushes and rocks in that area until I'm done

:8 :8
 
Only plot the the centre of the patch for future reference. Thoroughly chain the area and run over it with a small, medium, and large coil, and then head off in search of the next patch. Only loam if I know there is a visible reef above the patch, but only do that down the track when I have spare time on my hands. Far easier to find a patch than find a missed reef. ;)

Wal.
 
Most detectorists will be detecting in known gold areas usually consisting of or adjacent to some type of old workings thus the source would more than likely already be known. It's the patches of missed nuggets etc. that they are seeking & like Wal says far easier to continue searching for more nuggets/patches than spend time looking for a reef/leader/stringer etc. thats more than likely been exploited anyway.
If it was a virgin area then most detectorists will probably try to establish whether the area has gold by possibly sampling likely areas for evidence of gold & if so then by electronic loaming (some may not like the use of this term but it is relevant to modern methods I reckon?) i.e. if your detecting nuggets your already carrying out a modern form of loaming to some degree. There are some fulltime blokes around that are good at it & I know of a few examples of where a detector has led the good operator to a missed stringer, leader or even reef but this takes geological knowledge, skill & time - lets face it, most people on here won't have enough time to do this but we'd all like to. Our real jobs get in the bloody way :lol:
An example:
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/829-favorable-gold-geology/?p=8247
 
Wally69 said:
Always sniffing it out and reading the topography.

Thesedays I am starting to get quite proficient at chasing buckshot to the source and am picking up far more shotgun shell primers. ;)
The greenies should be honouring us for removing the scourge of lead from the bush. I know I've removed my fair share. :lol:
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Loaming is an age old process and the equivalent of modern day Geochemical analysis!

In loaming, our aim is to test the first 50mm of top soil (loam) for fine flour gold, we are not concerned with larger gold here!

Why?.....because our eventual aim is to find an 'existing' deposit, and if a deposit exists, it will surely be continually releasing fine gold year after year and depositing it in the top layer of ground under wind, rain and other forms of erosion.

Yes, it will release coarser gold as well, but the very fine gold will be released more often, and in larger quantities, but will remain closer to the source than the coarser gold will. (The bigger and heavier you are, the further you will travel under the laws of Physics)

If your finding nuggets in a patch with your detector, but on testing the 'loam' soil for fine color with your pan there is nothing, then yes....you are either still to far from the source 'OR' the source has most likely already been exploited (as stated above) in the last 150 years or so and these nuggets were more than likely shed from that original source a longer time ago.

The metal detector is indeed used as a modern day loaming tool, but it is by no means the complete process, and it cant tell you if a source still exists or not, primarily because its only used to find larger gold.

The old timers got very excited when they had what was known as a 'corner of gold' or a 'dwt' of very fine flour gold in their pans because these large amounts of VFG was a sure sign that they were very close, or actually on top of an existing deposit.

Deposits of gold come in many forms, they may be in hard rock reefs, in pockets (Magma chambers), in patches etc, etc.

Loaming is not just limited to finding a primary source deposit..........Testing the first 50mm of loam with a pan for traces of fine gold is used today by the smart prospectors to also help them find the larger 'patches' of gold that may exist, which they can then exploit with a metal detector.

HTY, as others have said, its a very laborious and time consuming process that not everyone is willing, or able to undertake, but done correctly and mastered, it is a sure process that old Sam Cash used to discover hundreds of gold mines in WA.

Also, what does one do if they are lucky enough to actually find an existing deposit? Do you have the time, the know-how and the equipment needed for extraction......is the deposit economically viable for extractive purposes?
Is it worth the money and effort in obtaining an ML?

What is the deposits quantitative assay in grams per tonne?
Surprising to many, this can be fairly accurately determined simply using a pan, a partical size chart and a 'colors count' method.

Alternatively, if your unable or unwilling to extract, would the larger mining companies be interested in purchasing your newly discovered deposit from you, based on this g/tonne assay?

I have a book called 'Loaming in the 21st Century' written by a very smart WA geologist named Dr Robert Fagan.....its in digital format (PDF) so i can email to you if your keen HTY.

Meta ;)
 
I'll just keep detecting, and as long as I'm finding nuggets won't bother to pull the pan out.
Always keep my eyes open though, and if there's reason to suspect that the source may be nearby, then I'll do a few test pans.
 
Metamorphic said:
Loaming is an age old process and the equivalent of modern day Geochemical analysis!

In loaming, our aim is to test the first 50mm of top soil (loam) for fine flour gold, we are not concerned with larger gold here!

Why?.....because our eventual aim is to find an 'existing' deposit, and if a deposit exists, it will surely be continually releasing fine gold year after year and depositing it in the top layer of ground under wind, rain and other forms of erosion.

Yes, it will release coarser gold as well, but the very fine gold will be released more often, and in larger quantities, but will remain closer to the source than the coarser gold will. (The bigger and heavier you are, the further you will travel under the laws of Physics)

If your finding nuggets in a patch with your detector, but on testing the 'loam' soil for fine color with your pan there is nothing, then yes....you are either still to far from the source 'OR' the source has most likely already been exploited (as stated above) in the last 150 years or so and these nuggets were more than likely shed from that original source a longer time ago.

The metal detector is indeed used as a modern day loaming tool, but it is by no means the complete process, and it cant tell you if a source still exists or not, primarily because its only used to find larger gold.

The old timers got very excited when they had what was known as a 'corner of gold' or a 'dwt' of very fine flour gold in their pans because these large amounts of VFG was a sure sign that they were very close, or actually on top of an existing deposit.

Deposits of gold come in many forms, they may be in hard rock reefs, in pockets (Magma chambers), in patches etc, etc.

Loaming is not just limited to finding a primary source deposit..........Testing the first 50mm of loam with a pan for traces of fine gold is used today by the smart prospectors to also help them find the larger 'patches' of gold that may exist, which they can then exploit with a metal detector.

HTY, as others have said, its a very laborious and time consuming process that not everyone is willing, or able to undertake, but done correctly and mastered, it is a sure process that old Sam Cash used to discover hundreds of gold mines in WA.

Also, what does one do if they are lucky enough to actually find an existing deposit? Do you have the time, the know-how and the equipment needed for extraction......is the deposit economically viable for extractive purposes?
Is it worth the money and effort in obtaining an ML?

What is the deposits quantitative assay in grams per tonne?
Surprising to many, this can be fairly accurately determined simply using a pan, a partical size chart and a 'colors count' method.

Alternatively, if your unable or unwilling to extract, would the larger mining companies be interested in purchasing your newly discovered deposit from you, based on this g/tonne assay?

I have a book called 'Loaming in the 21st Century' written by a very smart WA geologist named Dr Robert Fagan.....its in digital format (PDF) so i can email to you if your keen HTY.

Meta ;)

would be more than interested in that book m8

ps I know most wont look for new deposits or don't have the time money etc. etc. but......... I how ever like to go over an area already known but not tested if you know what I mean that is shedding gold just to be sure as I've found untouched reefs before in gold patchy areas I just im just really thorough in looing/test panning up hills and using a hand auger to test ground but like I said in the first place I know lots of people that wont put the time or effort into finding reef gold and very few that put the effort and time like me into places to see what's there regardless if the old timers worked the ground out or not because you may find something they missed :)
 
Hunting the yellow said:
would be more than interested in that book m8

ps I know most wont look for new deposits or don't have the time money etc. etc. but......... I how ever like to go over an area already known but not tested if you know what I mean that is shedding gold just to be sure as I've found untouched reefs before in gold patchy areas I just im just really thorough in looing/test panning up hills and using a hand auger to test ground but like I said in the first place I know lots of people that wont put the time or effort into finding reef gold and very few that put the effort and time like me into places to see what's there regardless if the old timers worked the ground out or not because you may find something they missed :)

True mate....as mbasko says, only those with time available will be able to make loaming for the source possible. This usually means full time prospectors!

Its not so much an expensive art, but more time consuming, although this book shows how to utilize more of our modern day equipment resources in helping to reduce large samples in a much more economical time frame. ie Using a dry blower to reduce 10kg of sample down to a few hundred grams very quickly and efficiently.

An auger is not necessary to perform the true art of loaming because as i said, we only need be concerned with the top 50mm layer of soil here, maybe across a 1m x 1m square patch of ground so as to provide whats known as a 'representative' sample.
Basically, this means that all samples must be relatively close in size and weight in order to give a true result for the purposes of loaming and establishing accurate quantitative assay's in g/tonne.

If your sampling much deeper, its more on the scale of 'exploration' rather than loaming in the true sense of the word.

Time and labor being key, it is possible to develop a less labor intensive, mechanized, more accurate chemical methods providing numerical assay values down to 'parts per million' levels, simply using a pan and some of the templates and methods outlayed in this book.

PM your email addy so i can attach the 4 part PDF.

Meta ;)
 
Hi guys, I too am curious about loaming techniques.
I have recently spent a few days detecting an area in the GT with relatively light diggings, but rich in quartz reefs.
There are small areas of surfacing, maybe 100 square metres at a time, and shallow holes along the reef lines, with the occasional very deep shaft down into the reef.
Given that I have found nothing but lead shot, the area is lightly detected, and there is an old stamping battery site nearby, I figured all the gold was deep in the reefs.
But the old timers must have found that gold somehow, right? And they have bothered to surface some areas.
So naturally, I started trying to follow their train of thought, what led them to this place? (apart from the obvious quartz reefs)
Which brings me to loaming.
I am pretty new to detecting, but know even less about panning, which from what I understand, is involved in the loaming process.
I once dug a bucket of soil from a spot downstream from a puddler outlet (obviously, messing with the puddler itself is taboo), and took the contents home to pan off, just to see what I might get. What I did discover, was that everything left in the bottom of the pan which wasn't quartz or ironstone appeared to be yellow, but didn't appear to be gold.
A lot of what sits on the surface in the GT is yellow in some way, so how do I spot the gold? Or have I been tipping fine gold onto my back lawn?
Apologies in advance if this is a stupid nooby question, lol!, but after doing this I just have even more respect for those old timers :)
 
Keep up the good work Stu,

Loaming is precisely how the old timers found the reefs, they most likely surfaced the areas where they got big corners of color in the pan close to the reef..... as this was the main shedding area and it always made sense to pick the low lying fruit first being the easiest.

Or it may have been a more modern times surfacing project by others with the same train of thought.

If you wish to learn more about loaming, PM me an email addy and i will gladly share my book on its technique and how its done, with you!

Meta :cool:
 
g'day Stu,

AS Meta says, he knows his stuff and in the meantime I would recomend getting yourself a copy of Sam Cash's book 'Loaming for Gold'. It tells you all you need to know
 

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