Difference Between Shallow Workings And Shallow Leads.

[user 4386]

Quote Goldierocks,

"Many people assume that gold cannot dissolve in near-surface cold water, Incorrect. In desert areas, the water is often highly saline (e.g. tens of percent dissolved salt - ordinary table salt in composition). Gold dissolves readily in this near the surface, where there is also plenty of atmospheric oxygen. The dissolved gold then moves through the soil in groundwater and weathered rock until it meets up with some carbon or iron, then it dumps out again as metallic gold, sometimes as nuggets (so some gold nuggets actually form in the soil). The original gold may have a lot of contained silver, but the new gold in the soil is almost pure gold."

I remember seeing a picture of a nail that was found gold plated in a creek near an old gold field in NZ.

And tree roots coated with gold.

 

[Ben Digo]

Hi goldierocks, I am fairly new also. Your comment that: "...my replies were meant for everyone's benefit..." is most appropriate. I read many of your posts and am slowly getting the idea thanks to you sharing your great knowledge. Much appreciated, keep it coming please erfect:

 

[Circ]

Cheers Goldierocks, your info was very useful.

I was looking at an old 1940s mine site out in the Charters Area in QLD. They were going deep at around 70ft, chasing gold vains. After reading you post i think i will redirect my search efforts as it would probably be a waste of time.

 

[NSS_Ian]

Thanks Goldierocks, that is one of the best explanations I have heard on where and how to find gold around old mines.
Running a detector shop, my standard advice is "If you want to find gold, go where it has been found before" & "dig every signal".
I think this is a given, but "Where" to detect on that gold field, knowing some geology of the area & its history are certainly key factors.
Getting down to that bedrock has been emphasised to me by professional prospectors as during floods many meters of a stream bed will become "fluidised" and the gold goes right down to the bedrock all over again !

 

[Mustard]

Goldierocks
Thank you for taking the time, necessary, to write this article. It helped me get my head around a couple of contradictions I have read on gold solubility.
Cheers
Geoff

 

[SluicyLucy]

Thanks goldierocks!

Well written, easy to understand information like this is valueable to all newbies.

 

[Pacman02]

Awesome read, cheers for the info guys.

 

[Dan the rock man]

Thanks goldierocks for the great post very informative.

You learn something new everyday

 

[FindSumStuff]

VicGoldHunter. Thank you heaps for asking the right questions. And goldierocks I very much appreciate your explanations and the sharing of your knowledge.

Cheers
John

 

[Aintnothingbutagolddigger]

Goldilocks thanks for sharing your knowledge. Truely remarkable!

 

[UnderEmployedGeo]

Thanks. I try to spell it out simply.

A lot is simple, ... First year geology students also find it difficult.

hahaha Honestly as a geologist with about 10 years experience, a lot of it in gold exploration, I struggle with all of it too sometimes (haven't done much exploration in recent years). Geology suffers from a lot of "old school" terminology that comes from a blend of old time miners language and 19th century science... there's a lot of "art" in the science of geology!

 

[user 4386]

Thanks. I try to spell it out simply.

A lot is simple, ... First year geology students also find it difficult.

hahaha Honestly as a geologist with about 10 years experience, a lot of it in gold exploration, I struggle with all of it too sometimes (haven't done much exploration in recent years). Geology suffers from a lot of "old school" terminology that comes from a blend of old time miners language and 19th century science... there's a lot of "art" in the science of geology!

All very true. We are gradually getting well-defined definitions that mean the same to everybody, which is why you will see me discourage use of some ambiguous "old timers" words when I post (e.g. reef). A problem is that prospectors often read reports a hundred or more years old and think geologists still use that old mining terminology.

 

[Noogle]

Great info. Thanks so much.

 

[user 4386]

I refer everyone to "Where are the alluvial gold bonanzas of the past"? #32 for a very detailed discussion of the question proposed at the beginning. Just posted.
https://www.prospectingaustralia.co...bonanzas-of-the-past.35859/page-2#post-590250

 

[SonofOak]

The workings on shallow leads (and surface gold) are "shallow workings" - simply terminology. However the term shallow lead is applied to anything up to about 30 m deep, and at depths of many metres these require a different approach. The particular "shallow workings" that are good for surface gold accessible to detectors are those where gold is almost at surface.

Imagine a quartz reef that is shedding its gold into the soil. The gold migrates downhill with gravity and rain and tends to start concentrating it in a shallow nearby gully, and water washes it down the shallow gully and out onto the flat below (usually channels in the flat, less so in arid areas). All great areas to detect.

Imagine there are floods on the flatter areas and clay and sand from the floods covers the gold-bearing gullies on gentle slopes and the flats. The gold-bearing gravels may not be washed away, they will simply be buried under the later clay. The same thing can occur in a single gully on a bit of sloping hillside, simply because with time no more gold is coming from the reef further up the hill, but sand and clay coming down the gully buries the initial gold-bearing gravels to greater and greater depth (gold invariably concentrates best in gravels located directly on older bedrock). There are other reasons for this as well - often the erosion of gold-bearing quartz reefs starts when the reefs are first exposed at surface during the first uplift of the area (fault uplift in earthquakes) - as the hills wear away the area becomes less hilly, erosion is less active and the gold input to gravels in gullies decreases. Also that gold already in the gullies works its way down to bedrock with time because the specific gravity of gold is so much higher than that of quartz sand or pebbles (nearly twice the SG of lead).

Now the first prospectors came along and initially find gold at or within tens of centimetres of surface in the upper parts of gullies and in soil around the reef. As they mine the gravels down the gully, they can initially access all the gravel by trenching etc, and turn everything over with picks and shovels, but as gold-bearing gravel gets deeper farther down the gully, they have to dig shafts at intervals to get through unmineralised clay, sand and sometimes barren gravel to get to the deeper gravel on bedrock that these other rocks conceal. They then go down their shafts and tunnel in the gold-bearing gravels between their shafts. Gradually the shafts have to get deeper to access the gold, and more expensive in time and money, so they dig shafts further apart and make the tunnels between their shafts longer (and often more dangerous because they were tunnelling entirely through wet unconsolidated gravel for long distances). They would now be said to be working a shallow lead. Often this was in areas of topographically lower relief (flattish areas - although sometimes later earthquakes uplift these flattish areas and new gullies start to form in them and erode the old gold-bearing gravels).

Ultimately they would get very deep, partly because basalt flows later flowed down the larger valleys and buried the clay, sand and gravel of the older valleys. This often caused a lull in mining for up to a decade, because it required syndicate or company finance to dig the deep shafts now required, which needed explosives, close-spaced timbering and powerful water pumps. This was often below 30 m (up to more than 150 m depth) and these were called deep leads. Often in these they would sink right through everything and into bedrock and tunnel in bedrock beneath the lead gravels, putting up rises at regular levels and then secondary tunnels in the overlying gravel ("panels") from which the ore was extracted. That way in a collapse of the gravels they had not lost all the mine workings (shafts were often many hundreds of metres apart), just the local gravels around a rise. Even if the mine flooded with an inrush of water, they could often put on a larger pump then just block off access to the rise that the water was pouring down - their main access tunnels could be revived and further rises developed up into the gravels where not so wet (they would test by drilling up into the gravels to test their water content). Dangerous work - during the gold rush 30 men per month were dying on the Ballarat goldrushes in mining accidents.

Now you and your mates come along in the 21st Century. You prospect the upper parts of gullies where everything looks turned over and have fair success. You follow the gully downhill, it flattens, and now you see separate shafts separated by what looks like (but isn't at depth) unmined ground. At this point the only area usually worth detecting is the mullock around the shaft collars, because this is the only material that came from deep enough to contain gold (and got spilt around the collars or dumped immediately at surface because it was mostly lower-grade than the high-grade gravel they were interested in - but they still missed isolated nuggets because they did not wash such gravel). As the shafts get further apart, these shaft collars become absolutely the only places you will detect gold (there is also slight potential on washed pebble dumps that have been treated). Once you see basalt on the mine dumps you are commonly wasting your time, although if there is a fair bit of gravel mixed with this lava it might be worth a try.

Learn some geology and increase your chances 1000%, I often see people working all over flats with their metal detectors when I know the lead is 20 m deep and they are wasting their time anywhere except on the shaft collars (or pebble dumps from which most gold has been washed - really big nuggets were sometimes missed there because they sat with cobbles on the top of the mesh they screened the gravel through before washing it to separate gold (but remember that mining was labour intensive - often hundreds of people on single deep lead mines, including hungry eagle-eyed young boys working for a pittance).

Fantastic goldierocks - such an easy to follow explanation, learnt a bit from that! :Y:

 

[Trace4369]

Thankyou for such helpful information goldierocks. I too, find all the terminology hard to follow. Yes I have done exactly what vicgoldhunter did and tried dr google. But gave up as I kept losing my train of thought as I had to look up too many words. All too much to take in. I do try and research and I think as I detect more I start to understand what I am seeing. So eventually I will understand what it all means. But with additional help from generous people like yourself, I’m sure I will be able to understand just that little bit more. Thank you again.

 

[Hawkear]

Lots of posts here of good information.
Shedded gold is found at all depths from the surface to hundreds of feet so ascribing a numerical value to words like shallow or deep can be arbitrary. From reading some historical accounts there seem a leaning to describe as shallow diggings the area where a rush first occurred and had then been abandoned in wait of larger companies to come in later with the resources to go deeper or wash away areas with hydraulics etc. So in this sense shallow may be used to describe the limits of what an individual or small group could dig quickly and easily during the first rush.
I have personally witnessed a hard working (and successful) modern prospector hand dig a 10 foot plus hole in two days and I feel sure our hardened early diggers would have been capable of at least that and more in suitable ground.

Like many I would recommend some reading on the subject and one of the best reads I could recommend would be Robert Brough-Smythe’s must have 1869 "Gold and Mineral Districts of Victoria". It is a great book with many illustrations, maps, diagrams, cross sections and measurements of both alluvial and reef workings.

 

[Micho]

And tree roots coated with gold.

I could read your information all day goldierocks, I can’t get enough, thank you.

 

[user 4386]

Lots of posts here of good information.
Shedded gold is found at all depths from the surface to hundreds of feet so ascribing a numerical value to words like shallow or deep can be arbitrary. From reading some historical accounts there seem a leaning to describe as shallow diggings the area where a rush first occurred and had then been abandoned in wait of larger companies to come in later with the resources to go deeper or wash away areas with hydraulics etc. So in this sense shallow may be used to describe the limits of what an individual or small group could dig quickly and easily during the first rush.
I have personally witnessed a hard working (and successful) modern prospector hand dig a 10 foot plus hole in two days and I feel sure our hardened early diggers would have been capable of at least that and more in suitable ground.

Like many I would recommend some reading on the subject and one of the best reads I could recommend would be Robert Brough-Smythe’s must have 1869 "Gold and Mineral Districts of Victoria". It is a great book with many illustrations, maps, diagrams, cross sections and measurements of both alluvial and reef workings.

They would commonly sink a shaft in a week. However the shallow versus deep commonly related to water and to a depth of around 30 m. Usually they would mine down to where the water became a problem then move on. Later syndicates and companies with money would come and use pumps. The old workings were called shallow leads and the later workings on the deeper extensions were deep leads. 30 m was commonly the depth limit for shallow leads (100 feet or thereabouts) - they could cope with wet ground with simple appliances, but by that depth the water commonly had too much catchment and head. It was not particularly arbitrary and was a physical distinction even made by the department of mines in those days.

This paper describes much that I find useful, like the above:

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/se.../Giant-Placers-of-the-Victorian-Gold-Province

 

[Detrack]

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(Kiss applies)​

Gold will be where you find and just stick the Key Geo-features in the state you are in.​

1. Reefs​

2. Pitch of reef that would feeds the Gullys on one side of a slope​

3, Slope grade, not all big nuggets make it to deep or shallow leads in gullies.​

4. Gutters or Gully's that have over time have cut through reefs and feed those Gutters or Gully's East and West of a Reef.

Reading the Ground is very Important

Enrichment in the stone helps heaps to success such as crystals, Pyrites, and color in Quartz's.

For us all the hard work has been done as in many states and they are the old timer's workings.

Don't loose youself by going to deep in Geology as a metal Detecting is just that
SHALLOW GROUND.

Unless your going to become a Miner and like digging shafts.


Just get out there and get swinging and over time it will all fall into place for you in just knowing were to swing and not too.


Wouldn't think there would be to many fulltime Metal Detectors out there.

WA yes, NT yes, Qld Maybe, Vic & NSW I very much doubt it.

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