Detecting on private property
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Lee
I've had decent success just walking up to people in the neighbourhood. In small towns most people know who owns what. A little while ago I talked to a guy to find out who owned a property. He put me onto the owner, who lived a few houses down. I went to the owner's and asked if I could detect his block. He gave me a key and said to drop it back in when I was done, and told me where I could camp. He thought it was quaint that people looked for small bits of gold in his property.
I wonder how he'd feel if someone found a big one.
I wonder how he'd feel if someone found a big one.
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Hi everyone
What would you do in this situation
One of the spots that I would like to go to and I've had a couple attempts at it There's a road that leads to the designated fossicking zone However there is quite a nasty looking sign that has been put up most likely from one of the land owners Should of taken a photo of it But if my memory serves me right It says something like private property trust passes will be prosecuted contact the owner before passing Through and says under 24-hour video surveillance there is no Gate But when I got home and checked this road is a public road
Don't want to piss anyone off but at the same time this is not right ?
Cheers Mitch
What would you do in this situation
One of the spots that I would like to go to and I've had a couple attempts at it There's a road that leads to the designated fossicking zone However there is quite a nasty looking sign that has been put up most likely from one of the land owners Should of taken a photo of it But if my memory serves me right It says something like private property trust passes will be prosecuted contact the owner before passing Through and says under 24-hour video surveillance there is no Gate But when I got home and checked this road is a public road
Don't want to piss anyone off but at the same time this is not right ?
Cheers Mitch
Goldtarget
(AKA OldGT)
Maybe try contacting said owner first? Sometimes a lease (not always a mining lease) can be in place, among other reasons as to why someone may legitimately want to prevent access on a public road. I'd perhaps try the path of trying to gain access with permission first before approaching the "rights" path. This has been discussed a bit on waterway access but I can tell you that most of the time if authorities are contacted the fall on the side of the occupier no matter how solid your argument.
My GPS and software show many farm tracks as public roads, so I wouldn't trust it 100%. If the surrounding land is not classed as a 'casement', it is not a publicly maintained road. If it is a private road, through, it could still be a public right-of-way.
was bass fishing many years ago, got access from a road bridge, and walked the creek line to a spot. was confronted by an armed cocky, two barrels of get the f#@K off my land!
I then informed him that I would leave because of the threat to kill me, not because I was doing anything wrong, he then argued that he owned the creek and the moving water as he had ancient title.
I told him no worries, and as I was a member of a fishing club with over 200 members, I will inform all the members of a secret bass fishing hole, easy to get to, bridge access and the farmer can deal with 200 bass fisho,s instead of 2 who were just throwing lures at fish, not even on anyones land.
I also told him I would report the matter of him pointing a shotgun at me to the police.
Confrontation usually dosnt work in anyones favour.
I then informed him that I would leave because of the threat to kill me, not because I was doing anything wrong, he then argued that he owned the creek and the moving water as he had ancient title.
I told him no worries, and as I was a member of a fishing club with over 200 members, I will inform all the members of a secret bass fishing hole, easy to get to, bridge access and the farmer can deal with 200 bass fisho,s instead of 2 who were just throwing lures at fish, not even on anyones land.
I also told him I would report the matter of him pointing a shotgun at me to the police.
Confrontation usually dosnt work in anyones favour.
Research, not only helps you to find the best spot to look for "Gold" but should also be used to ensure you know where you are, how you can get there without causing yourself or others any grief, your local council should be able to help you,
Lee
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davent said:
Unfortunetly acts like that are why property owners hate us. You had to go on his land to get there in the first place no doubt unless you walked up the creek from the mouth. Telling someone that you have every right to be on their land whether technically it isn't their land just makes for an angry confrontation. You where probably aware that you were trespassing and don't think this is good advice for someone looking to prospect on private property.
Sorry mate, but I think you must have misunderstood where I was coming from.
I parked on the side of the road, walked beside the bridge, (about 2m above the water line, and walked down the creek line for about 5km. this incident occurred in 1984, no GPS , google earth etc.
when fishing one pool, of about 20 or so, I was confronted by a man waving a double barrel shotgun in my face, and demanding I get off his Land.
so you are another apologist who won,t stand up for himself or others, just say sorry, I'm wrong and you are right to threaten to shoot me for being in a creek that I had no idea anyone was allowed to "OWN".
I did not go on his land to get there in the first place, I walked the creek line.
I hate it when people give in and make the person in the wrong the victim.
NO ONE IN AUSTRALIA HAS A RIGHT TO PULL A GUN ON A TRESPASSER, NOT EVEN THE MILITARY.
My come back of threatening to inform the rest of my club his location, was immature and wrong, I think I was 16 at the time. but not as wrong as being threatened with a gun.
Acts like that are NOT the reason landowners hate us. They hate us "city" folk already for many different reasons, for the gun laws that we let happen, for the political correctness we accept, for apologising to a religion of peace, for the perceived attitude towards them, when atrocities are committed in that religions name. Cockys dislike and don't trust young people when they go down to camp sites and find bongs and empty beer cans near unburied turds covered in exposed toilet paper. Arguing the FACTS of water way rights with some idiot waving a gun at me, is not the reason landowners hate us.
DO NOT PUT THE BLAME BACK ON TO ME!
I parked on the side of the road, walked beside the bridge, (about 2m above the water line, and walked down the creek line for about 5km. this incident occurred in 1984, no GPS , google earth etc.
when fishing one pool, of about 20 or so, I was confronted by a man waving a double barrel shotgun in my face, and demanding I get off his Land.
so you are another apologist who won,t stand up for himself or others, just say sorry, I'm wrong and you are right to threaten to shoot me for being in a creek that I had no idea anyone was allowed to "OWN".
I did not go on his land to get there in the first place, I walked the creek line.
I hate it when people give in and make the person in the wrong the victim.
NO ONE IN AUSTRALIA HAS A RIGHT TO PULL A GUN ON A TRESPASSER, NOT EVEN THE MILITARY.
My come back of threatening to inform the rest of my club his location, was immature and wrong, I think I was 16 at the time. but not as wrong as being threatened with a gun.
Acts like that are NOT the reason landowners hate us. They hate us "city" folk already for many different reasons, for the gun laws that we let happen, for the political correctness we accept, for apologising to a religion of peace, for the perceived attitude towards them, when atrocities are committed in that religions name. Cockys dislike and don't trust young people when they go down to camp sites and find bongs and empty beer cans near unburied turds covered in exposed toilet paper. Arguing the FACTS of water way rights with some idiot waving a gun at me, is not the reason landowners hate us.
DO NOT PUT THE BLAME BACK ON TO ME!
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I get where you are coming from, but if you read the first post in this thread he was asking for advice on prospecting on private property. Some land owners are just that way and feel your story had nothing to do with his question sorry if I upset you.
You are right, my story had nothing to do with it.
Guess I was trying to relate how some land owners just don't want any attention, and it can be dangerous to assume things, like you don't need permission, or intent to inform owners. the day Im referring to, that creek probably passed through 5 or 6 properties.
we are continuously apologising and making excuses in this country so as not offend anyone, or have our hobby or past time effected, and I for one, am sick to death of compromising and accepting taxes, licences, restrictions,fees and regulations when we should be fighting against them, not compromising in the hope thats all the damage will be. It never is, we compromise on one issue, then another and so it goes, until there's nothing left to compromise with.
Recreational fishing is a classic, you pay rego on your boat, rego on your car, rego on your trailer, licence for boat,car and fishing. Where does this money go? Not sure, but next time, you will have to wear a life jacket when you cross the bar. And the next time after that, you will have to wear it at all times, but that place you like to fish, don't go there any more, there is a rare species of piano playing octopus there, and a recreational fisherman was seen cutting its arms off with a blunt spoon for thrills! You will need to travel an extra 50km from now on. Oh and this river is now a marine conservation park as well, you are welcome to use non powered water craft between 8 am and 6 pm for a fee of $12 per person.
You get the idea.
No more from me on this subject.
Follow accepted practice and or regulations of your state or territory when attempting to access private property. Stay safe, and don't accept being bullied by anyone.
Guess I was trying to relate how some land owners just don't want any attention, and it can be dangerous to assume things, like you don't need permission, or intent to inform owners. the day Im referring to, that creek probably passed through 5 or 6 properties.
we are continuously apologising and making excuses in this country so as not offend anyone, or have our hobby or past time effected, and I for one, am sick to death of compromising and accepting taxes, licences, restrictions,fees and regulations when we should be fighting against them, not compromising in the hope thats all the damage will be. It never is, we compromise on one issue, then another and so it goes, until there's nothing left to compromise with.
Recreational fishing is a classic, you pay rego on your boat, rego on your car, rego on your trailer, licence for boat,car and fishing. Where does this money go? Not sure, but next time, you will have to wear a life jacket when you cross the bar. And the next time after that, you will have to wear it at all times, but that place you like to fish, don't go there any more, there is a rare species of piano playing octopus there, and a recreational fisherman was seen cutting its arms off with a blunt spoon for thrills! You will need to travel an extra 50km from now on. Oh and this river is now a marine conservation park as well, you are welcome to use non powered water craft between 8 am and 6 pm for a fee of $12 per person.
You get the idea.
No more from me on this subject.
Follow accepted practice and or regulations of your state or territory when attempting to access private property. Stay safe, and don't accept being bullied by anyone.
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Yep I hear you. I am lucky enough that one of my oldest friends owns a station near my home town that has a had alot of gold found on it over the years and I head there for 2 or 3 weeks every year. But some of the stories he tells me about prospectors gives you real perpective on why land owners can be the way they are. The introduction of the GPZ has made his life a little difficult as of late, he confronted a couple of blokes last year that he come across on his land while moving cattle from one paddock to another and kindly asked them to leave as them being there was scaring the herd and making it difficult to keep them under control to which they told him they can do what they want where they want and he can't do anything about it so he finished his muster and then phoned the Police who never came as finding them would be difficult. Then the next day his wife radioed him and said someone is trying to steal diesel from the sheds sure enough same 2 fellows and got just under 100 litres, now if he was to pull a gun on them could you blame him, some people just don't care about anything or anyone and this has nothing to do with political correctness or life comprimises just respect for the people who are kind enough to let you possibly find a fortune on the land they make a living from. Just a little bit from the other side of the story.
originally wrote a long winded reply again, but decided not to post it.
Remember, if you comply with your states regulations in the first place, and all is good from the start, there should be no problems.
landowners aren't much different to any home owner. If someone breaks into your house, at night, you don,t automatically have the right to draw a gun from your safe and confront them, in fact, you don't have the right to assault them, (check for states definition of assault, in NSW for example, yelling ,pointing your finger in an aggressive way can be deemed assault) if you call the cops in suburbia, because your house is broken into, don,t expect the crim to be there when the cops arrive.
Remember, if you comply with your states regulations in the first place, and all is good from the start, there should be no problems.
landowners aren't much different to any home owner. If someone breaks into your house, at night, you don,t automatically have the right to draw a gun from your safe and confront them, in fact, you don't have the right to assault them, (check for states definition of assault, in NSW for example, yelling ,pointing your finger in an aggressive way can be deemed assault) if you call the cops in suburbia, because your house is broken into, don,t expect the crim to be there when the cops arrive.
