Chinese business have no shame

[Goldfreak]

We should at least match that for Australian producers wanting to sell to Australians in Australia. Government still owns the post. What's stopping them?

 

[Goldchaser1]

Yes, they are good at that - Japan did the same postwar. Mind you, I don't think dishonesty is all one-sided.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...-wage-theft-exploitation-coronavirus/12405332

Yep early landcruiser motors were based on the chev 6,some parts were interchangeable,right up to the 2fs and 3fs,thats my useless info share for the day....

 

[Mackka]

I think Aus Post is 40% govt owned but could be wrong.
Mackka

 

[user 4386]

Australia Post | Department of Finance
https://www.finance.gov.au/.../australia-post
Australia Post is wholly owned by the Australian Government represented by two Shareholder Ministers, the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Communications, Cyber Safety and the Arts. Enabling legislation. The enabling legislation for Australia Post is the Australian Postal Corporation Act 1989, some key features of which include:

 

[Deepseeker]

While on the subject of Chinese products and Aussie companies getting their products made in China, Mrs Deepseeker just came back from Bunnings with a Nylex pressure pump weedkiller bottle that just holds a couple of litres, so she could nuke a small area in the backyard that has become infested with bindi-eye. I've already got a stainless steel unit that is made in USA, and a Big Hortico plastic backpack unit that we use on acreage just outside of Melbourne, both of which she claims are too big for the small backyard we have behind the shop.

Nylex, a good ol' Aussie brand name........

She filled it up a short while ago, calls me outside and says "look at this". You can crank up the main nozzle fitting that screws onto the bottle, but then the adjustable tip that lets you select whether you squirt or use a spray shape, doesn't let anything out at all no matter how you adjust it. To get it to work you have to partially unscrew the nozzle assembly from the bottle housing. Then you can have any shape of spray or squirt that you want- Except it also Pees out of the bottle connection even more so, pouring weedkiller poison all over your hand, feet and everywhere in the lawn where you don't want it to go :|

I took it to pieces and had a look. While doing so I noticed in small writing on the back of the bottle "Made in China". Unbelievably for all of this to work the way it should, it relies on the main nozzle to screw in an exact distance into the main bottle. They've tried to achieve this with a very coarse thread on plastic fittings...........

I've gone through my seals & gaskets and found one that now lets you crank it up tight while sealing at the same time and it works sufficiently.

 

[Outback]

Maybe Aussie Post is secretly owned by China ?

 

[Ridge Runner]

As far as fakes are concerned China does not class these products as Fakes for the simple reason is they do not recognize National or International Patients belonging to any Company in other Countries and there is no International Law that they have to agree to, We see it as theft, They see it differently as a right to produce what ever they want, They haven't really had anything of their own design copied or worth copying so they just do as they wish,

China does make some good products, some are a blend of other peoples ideas, some are a blatant copy, But no matter what they will never except that they have done anything wrong.

 

[Deepseeker]

That is something you can thank the UPU for- The Universal Postal Union. It's a nearly 150 year old organization that determines the international postage rates for 192 member countries every four years.

The prices are established using something known as the "Postal Development Indicator". It assesses a number of things such as the surface area of a country, its gross national income, population and a few other things. It's based in Switzerland, and if you want to be able to send parcels between countries you pretty much have to be a member. In a nutshell it means developing countries pay a lot less than developed countries to get their mail delivered.

China somehow gets away with being classed as a "Transitional country", roping it in with poor countries- which means it pays bugger-all "Terminal Dues" to send mail to countries like Australia and the US, which is classified as a "Target" country. Trump has had enough, and has threatened that the US will go it alone because American companies are suffering.

I suspect Australia tolerates it because a lot of Chinese products are made from raw materials that we supply, plus we would no doubt get another whack on the knuckles with the ruler, if we upset China, and they would buy even less of our exports.

Either way, it's silly to blame Australia Post for the situation and think you are getting ripped off for paying more for your local parcels. Australia Post has absolutely no choice but to play the UPU's game if the Australian population wants their mail delivered overseas also. The US has more leverage with a population of nearly 330 million, as does China with almost 1.4 billion, compared to Australia with just 25 million or so.

 

[Manpa]

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/chinese-patent-prosecution-flow

 

[user 4386]

Deepseeker, "Australia Post is owned by the government and it has only two shareholders. They are the Minister for Communications and the Minister for Finance.
Australia Post is a Corporate Commonwealth Entity, governed by the legislation of the Australian Postal Communication Act 1989".
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=35709&p=2
Outlets/post offices are franchises operated privately under licence to Australia Post
"Australia Post is wholly-owned by the Commonwealth".
"Enabling legislation
The enabling legislation for Australia Post is the Australian Postal Corporation Act 1989 , some key features of which include:

.....establishes the role of the board in deciding the objectives, strategies and policies to be followed by Australia Post and to ensure it performs its functions in a proper, efficient manner which, as far as practicable, is consistent with sound commercial practice

......authorises the relevant Minister to issue directions to the Australia Post Board on certain matters

https://www.finance.gov.au/business/government-business-enterprises/australia-post

"Australia Post and ASIC, despite being public entities, are run independently of government and not subject to the same executive pay scales that govern the rest of the public service".

I.e. however they are OWNED by government and answer ultimately to the relevant Ministers

And its executives are public servants
"Cartier watches, free rent and taxpayers picking up the tab for $118,000 worth of personal tax advice Australias best paid public servants have been on quite the spending spree and the prime minister has made it clear that he is very, very angry".

I still think the Board, not the Prime Minister is the only entity with the power to sack the CEO - the government could only sack (or disband) the board itself - highly improbable and impractical.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Yeah it's funny how I can get stuff from China in a week or less postage free but if I order the same thing over here it costs me 2 and a half times the price and the postages is almost as expensive as the Item.

China does make some awesome stuff, All My ECW Boots are made by Canadian Companies In China and these Boots have no Rivals, Nothing comes Close, When it comes to off the Shelf Extreme Cold Weather Gloves and Mitts Vietnam has to be the best of the best, Which again is an American Brand,

China does make a lot of junk as well but they do have the skillset to match any other Country, But I hate it when they copy stuff because I resent poorly made copies that are bound to fail and that has an impact on the true brand owner, I wish they would stick to producing their own stuff or for those brands they have under contract because they are very skilled people.

 

[Deepseeker]

I like you goldierocks. Which is why I'm not going to waste my time on your insistence at being right & the sole arbiter of every topic in the forum, and your cut and paste gatherings from various websites and graphs to help achieve that end.

I have had an association with Australia Post for almost 14 years, including as a successful Litigant against a behemoth that thought it could hide behind the government. I sold Terms of Trade for a Law firm long enough to know how meaningless the crap that you are cutting/pasting & linking to is, and still currently along with my wife, I am the Licensee/owner of an Australia Post retail store. Now please, back to Geology.

 

[Goldfreak]

That is something you can thank the UPU for- The Universal Postal Union. It's a nearly 150 year old organization that determines the international postage rates for 192 member countries every four years.

The prices are established using something known as the "Postal Development Indicator". It assesses a number of things such as the surface area of a country, its gross national income, population and a few other things. It's based in Switzerland, and if you want to be able to send parcels between countries you pretty much have to be a member. In a nutshell it means developing countries pay a lot less than developed countries to get their mail delivered.

China somehow gets away with being classed as a "Transitional country", roping it in with poor countries- which means it pays bugger-all "Terminal Dues" to send mail to countries like Australia and the US, which is classified as a "Target" country. Trump has had enough, and has threatened that the US will go it alone because American companies are suffering.

I suspect Australia tolerates it because a lot of Chinese products are made from raw materials that we supply, plus we would no doubt get another whack on the knuckles with the ruler, if we upset China, and they would buy even less of our exports.

Either way, it's silly to blame Australia Post for the situation and think you are getting ripped off for paying more for your local parcels. Australia Post has absolutely no choice but to play the UPU's game if the Australian population wants their mail delivered overseas also. The US has more leverage with a population of nearly 330 million, as does China with almost 1.4 billion, compared to Australia with just 25 million or so.

That could explain it and what a huge advantage that is for them. Perhaps the only thing we can really compete with China in regards to manufacturing is really large low value products that are impractical to ship long distance. Such as big rotocasted poly tanks.

 

[Deepseeker]

Yeah it's funny how I can get stuff from China in a week or less postage free but if I order the same thing over here it costs me 2 and a half times the price and the postages is almost as expensive as the Item.

China does make some awesome stuff, All My ECW Boots are made by Canadian Companies In China and these Boots have no Rivals, Nothing comes Close, When it comes to off the Shelf Extreme Cold Weather Gloves and Mitts Vietnam has to be the best of the best, Which again is an American Brand,

China does make a lot of junk as well but they do have the skillset to match any other Country, But I hate it when they copy stuff because I resent poorly made copies that are bound to fail and that has an impact on the true brand owner, I wish they would stick to producing their own stuff or for those brands they have under contract because they are very skilled people.

Yes, it seems there are certain countries that are the go to places for specific products. I bought in a container load of Solar powered hats many years ago. I went in with a couple of other blokes and we bought in a container load from China. The quality was good, and as we were the first to bring them in they sold like hot cakes through Solar shops mostly. Recently my wife and I bought a heap of Leather Wallets and Belts in from India, and their leather craftsmen are amazing.

The wallets were to our own design, paying particular attention to the correct sizes for Aussie licenses, currency and cards. A lot of stuff that is imported is just as it comes, and then you see people struggling to get their licenses, money and cards in and out of their wallet or purse.

The belts and wallets though came in by DHL, and it was one of the easiest experiences I've ever had at importing stuff. I made sure I received samples first to ensure quality etc., and once the shipment was received we put a few randomly selected wallets to the flame test to ensure that they were leather and not pleather Leather burns and smells like burning hair or skin, whereas pleather will melt and give off an acrid black smoke like electrical wire insulation. We went to lengths also to ensure that the factories that made the wallets and the belts did not use Child labor and were registered as such.

I insisted on using PayPal, and the full payment was not released until I had checked the shipment and was happy with everything. I would not for one second contemplate even trying something like that with a Chinese company, regardless of quality. We need to trade with the world, but I honestly think China has gone beyond the beyonds on so many fronts, that we should just cut their products out of the equation.

I would not bring anything in from China nowadays, even if the equivalent wasn't made here.

China does make some good stuff, I have used one of their lathes that was a good piece of equipment. I currently have a client who owns a Gumboot factory in China, and they are exceptionally well made too. They were made here in Oz originally, but they ran foul of the local council with zoning as their operation got bigger, and so in the end it was easier for them to move the whole plant over to China and get them to make it there to their specifications. The quality is unchanged.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Our American Cousins seem to have an issue when they find a label where it says Made In China on Known US/Canadian Brands but the truth is their products are equally as good, Stanley Flasks are a prime example, many Americans claim that the new ones made in China are not as good as the older Made in USA models, so with that I bought some of the made in China models and bought a couple of perfect Vintage American made models and the modern Chinese models kept drinks hotter for longer, and do not Rust and the Toughest Flask in the world keeps drinks hot for 2 days and warm for up to 5 days or more and is Made by Stanley In China,

It's about time people saw the bigger picture, Places like India and China do make things to rival any place in the world, Take landrover for instance, ever since it was bought by India they have taken the brand forward where as when they were UK made every model had it's issues which is why Toyota and Nissan became the best brands in Australia and in 1984 Land rover ceased trading in Australia until the 90/110's started to become popular. India and China are world class countries when it comes to manufacturing, :Y:

 

[Mr Magoo]

Chinese have always been copy cats. They incapable of or too lazy to think of something original.
My tv is a Chinese made unit and it is the most bloody useless slow as a wet week channel changing piece of crap ever created by man.
The only thing China can make is rice grown in human bog fertilizer and even their rice is garbage compared to what we produce here. :awful:

"They incapable of or too lazy to think of something original.". What? It's business. Making money from people like you, "My tv is a Chinese made". Crap it may be but you were the sucker who bought it.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Our American Cousins seem to have an issue when they find a label where it says Made In China on Known US/Canadian Brands but the truth is their products are equally as good, Stanley Flasks are a prime example, many Americans claim that the new ones made in China are not as good as the older Made in USA models, so with that I bought some of the made in China models and bought a couple of perfect Vintage American made models and the modern Chinese models kept drinks hotter for longer, and do not Rust and the Toughest Flask in the world keeps drinks hot for 2 days and warm for up to 5 days or more and is Made by Stanley In China,

It's about time people saw the bigger picture, Places like India and China do make things to rival any place in the world, Take landrover for instance, ever since it was bought by India they have taken the brand forward where as when they were UK made every model had it's issues which is why Toyota and Nissan became the best brands in Australia and in 1984 Land rover ceased trading in Australia until the 90/110's started to become popular. India and China are world class countries when it comes to manufacturing, :Y:

Well said. You pay for Chinese crap, you get Chinese crap. Buy an iphone you buy Chinese quality manufacturing. Buy Chinese quality you get quality. The trouble is to many won't spend the money.
Poor man buys twice.

 

[Ridge Runner]

Well said. You pay for Chinese crap, you get Chinese crap. Buy an iphone you buy Chinese quality manufacturing. Buy Chinese quality you get quality. The trouble is to many won't spend the money.
Poor man buys twice.

Yeah a few years back I did a search for the most extreme cold weather boots money could buy because I was sick and tired of having freezing feet and a brand popped up and I read the temperature rating and was a bit unsure so I ordered them and I could not believe the size or the insulation these boots have, I ordered them from America and paid around $155.00 USD / $240.00 AUD but to buy them in the UK would cost me $696.85 AUD.

 

[user 4386]

I like you goldierocks. Which is why I'm not going to waste my time on your insistence at being right & the sole arbiter of every topic in the forum, and your cut and paste gatherings from various websites and graphs to help achieve that end.

I have had an association with Australia Post for almost 14 years, including as a successful Litigant against a behemoth that thought it could hide behind the government. I sold Terms of Trade for a Law firm long enough to know how meaningless the crap that you are cutting/pasting & linking to is, and still currently along with my wife, I am the Licensee/owner of an Australia Post retail store. Now please, back to Geology.

Fair enough - but the crap I am cutting and pasting in the main is from the relevant government acts, which say it is 100% government own with two ministers as the sole shareholders - I give the urls. I agree that things like quoting the Prime Minister supposedly verbatim from the press is dangerous (although I don't find him as bad as Trump overall, to be fair). Not sure how you being able to sue has relevance - it is treated as if it is any corporation for most legal purposes - what I was discussing was ownership and the powers of government to sack directors (which I thought we were agreeing is not legal for the same reason, it legally acts as if a public company despite its ownership). I think we are talking at cross-purposes, but it really does not matter, does it.

 

[user 4386]

Re China re-branding - it all sounds so familiar c.f. post-war Japan. I remember a story that they renamed an island Usa, so they could brand things "made in USA", but that may be an urban legend.