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goldtruck59 said:What a great photo of a mans room. Full of toys, a beer fridge and an overloaded power point !! LOL classic just like mine.
Lmao.....you know goldtruck when I looked at the pic after posting, I was wondering if anyone would notice the power-point among'st my mess.....you have the observers talent mate!
PS. ssshhh, im sure insurance companies troll these forums
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My old scout leaders indoctrinated these practices in me, I observe them from what I have been taught. Monday morning assembly we used to sing the National anthem, and my old principle had a picture of the Queen in his office (I had my fair share of call ups). Different times, different practices, one country.dwt said:outboard said:Goldtarget said:Interesting observations and opinions. Put a flash flag pole up in the backyard and raised and lowered the flag for a few weeks. Then the council came and measured the distance from the road to see if I was "compliant" with local by laws. That to me puts things in greater perspective than the union Jack. Put up a second flag pole and flew the eureka flag after given the tick of "approval" on the first one. I'm just as proud flying the flag because it's Australian, bugger the origins, it's the symbol of the land I live in, not where we came from. Whatever the design I'll raise it with a heart felt sense of pride, if Australian people wanna change it I'll buy the new one and put it up the flag pole, raise it in the morning, lower it at night and fold it up. I'll also be voting in the next Council elections.
Glad to hear you have the respect to raise it in the morning and lower it at night, so many think they are proud Aussies just flying it and then never take it down
The mrs and i are proud Aussies, the flag went up and stays up, dosnt make us any less of an Aussie, to those that choose to raise and lower each day, good onya, we choose not to.
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Some interesting questions about flag protocol have been posted.
It is correct that the Australian Flag (or any flag recognised by virtue of the Flag Act) can be hoisted permanently provided it is illuminated after dark. A Flag hoisted in darkness is disrespectful.
An Australian Flag should always be supported only by its 'hoist' and not displayed the way the Southern Cross is displayed on a wall in a previous post. That is, the Australian Flag should be on a mast or suspended vertically on wall. In case of the latter, the Flag should be so the reverse side is shown to keep the top-left of the Flag in that position.
With regard to the original question, there is a distinction between the Union Flag and the Union Jack. The Union Flag is the one that only consists of the Crosses of St George and St Patrick. Later when the Cross of St Andrew was added it became known as the Union Jack and that design remains to this day. It was the Union Flag that was raised at Port Jackson on the 26th January, 1788 and a replica of this flag is still flown at that spot. The Cross of St David (representing Wales) was never added to the Union Flag or the Union Jack because Wales was supposedly made a part of England from 1535. The colours of the Cross of St David may well have posed a problem too, clashing visually with the colours of the other crosses.
There is a lot people don't know unfortunately. One member here mentions their State Flag. Most people don't know that each State has a flag which is a shame. Under the Federal structure of Australia's system of government, the sovereignty of this land lies with the states rather than the Commonwealth. It is merely the role of the Commonwealth, under the Constitution, to protect that sovereignty on behalf of the states.
In the photo in the original post, the flag in the foreground is a precursor to the modern Flag of the City of Sydney. This flag has an image of a man-o-war battleship where the Union Flag was located and St George's Cross has the Southern Cross imposed on it.
It is correct that the Australian Flag (or any flag recognised by virtue of the Flag Act) can be hoisted permanently provided it is illuminated after dark. A Flag hoisted in darkness is disrespectful.
An Australian Flag should always be supported only by its 'hoist' and not displayed the way the Southern Cross is displayed on a wall in a previous post. That is, the Australian Flag should be on a mast or suspended vertically on wall. In case of the latter, the Flag should be so the reverse side is shown to keep the top-left of the Flag in that position.
With regard to the original question, there is a distinction between the Union Flag and the Union Jack. The Union Flag is the one that only consists of the Crosses of St George and St Patrick. Later when the Cross of St Andrew was added it became known as the Union Jack and that design remains to this day. It was the Union Flag that was raised at Port Jackson on the 26th January, 1788 and a replica of this flag is still flown at that spot. The Cross of St David (representing Wales) was never added to the Union Flag or the Union Jack because Wales was supposedly made a part of England from 1535. The colours of the Cross of St David may well have posed a problem too, clashing visually with the colours of the other crosses.
There is a lot people don't know unfortunately. One member here mentions their State Flag. Most people don't know that each State has a flag which is a shame. Under the Federal structure of Australia's system of government, the sovereignty of this land lies with the states rather than the Commonwealth. It is merely the role of the Commonwealth, under the Constitution, to protect that sovereignty on behalf of the states.
In the photo in the original post, the flag in the foreground is a precursor to the modern Flag of the City of Sydney. This flag has an image of a man-o-war battleship where the Union Flag was located and St George's Cross has the Southern Cross imposed on it.
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Metamorphic said:goldtruck59 said:What a great photo of a mans room. Full of toys, a beer fridge and an overloaded power point !! LOL classic just like mine.
Lmao.....you know goldtruck when I looked at the pic after posting, I was wondering if anyone would notice the power-point among'st my mess.....you have the observers talent mate!
PS. ssshhh, im sure insurance companies troll these forums
Regards
I see nothing I know nothing !!!! 8)
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goldtruck59 said:Metamorphic said:goldtruck59 said:What a great photo of a mans room. Full of toys, a beer fridge and an overloaded power point !! LOL classic just like mine.
Lmao.....you know goldtruck when I looked at the pic after posting, I was wondering if anyone would notice the power-point among'st my mess.....you have the observers talent mate!
PS. ssshhh, im sure insurance companies troll these forums
Regards
I see nothing I know nothing !!!! 8)
The power point is rated at 10A, 2400W. With all that is connected to it you are well withing that limit.
Karl
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Well get over your service issues to the queen, and support the Aussie spirit. ( where did she get you?)
I am, you are, we are Australian!
Don't you dare question my right to display a flag.
I will regress
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I will regress
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Great works! Big Nugget.
Maybe RadioGuru could kindly donate a flagpole if he ever comes out of the dark.
Thanks Karls. ...you would think i should just buy a power board hey?
I just reckon the overloaded point looks more Australian
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Maybe RadioGuru could kindly donate a flagpole if he ever comes out of the dark.
Thanks Karls. ...you would think i should just buy a power board hey?
I just reckon the overloaded point looks more Australian
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Metamophic,
Personal attacks are so 1997 mate. I am just repeating information from the Australian National Flag Association and not having a go at you, especially since the Southern Cross isn't recognised under the Flag Act. Nor did I question your right to do anything.
Personal attacks are so 1997 mate. I am just repeating information from the Australian National Flag Association and not having a go at you, especially since the Southern Cross isn't recognised under the Flag Act. Nor did I question your right to do anything.
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Hi guys,
I have lost count of how many times the flag debate raises it's head.
Fact is the current Australian Flag is a symbol of Australia.
It really doesn't matter if we like it or not like it. It is here and it's our national symbol.
The flag's original design (with a six-pointed Commonwealth Star) was chosen in 1901 and was first flown in Melbourne on 3 September 1901;
The seven pointed commonwealth star version was introduced by a proclamation dated 23 February 1908.
The dimensions were formally gazetted in 1934 and in 1954 the flag became recognised by, and legally defined in the Flags Act 1953.
So technically speaking by legal definition it's been the Australian symbol only since 1954.
Regardless of all the above, I am a proud Aussie and a Defence member, for 3 years while posted in Victoria, everyday I officially raised or lowered our Australian Flag in front of HQ. I can tell you honestly every single time I raised or lowered the flag with dignity and respect. It was always a very proud task to have.
Not because of what it looks like, but because of what it symbolises and what it has represented through our history under that flag.
The flag can change tomorrow, but as a proud Aussie I will never forget our history.
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Lambi
I have lost count of how many times the flag debate raises it's head.
Fact is the current Australian Flag is a symbol of Australia.
It really doesn't matter if we like it or not like it. It is here and it's our national symbol.
The flag's original design (with a six-pointed Commonwealth Star) was chosen in 1901 and was first flown in Melbourne on 3 September 1901;
The seven pointed commonwealth star version was introduced by a proclamation dated 23 February 1908.
The dimensions were formally gazetted in 1934 and in 1954 the flag became recognised by, and legally defined in the Flags Act 1953.
So technically speaking by legal definition it's been the Australian symbol only since 1954.
Regardless of all the above, I am a proud Aussie and a Defence member, for 3 years while posted in Victoria, everyday I officially raised or lowered our Australian Flag in front of HQ. I can tell you honestly every single time I raised or lowered the flag with dignity and respect. It was always a very proud task to have.
Not because of what it looks like, but because of what it symbolises and what it has represented through our history under that flag.
The flag can change tomorrow, but as a proud Aussie I will never forget our history.
Regards
Lambi
RadioGuru
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G'day Lambi,
Very well said.
I read somewhere a while back now that the reason the Blue Ensign (what we know to be the Australian Flag) wasn't recognised before 1954 was because only the government was permitted to fly it, with citizens flying either the Union Jack or the Australian Red Ensign, which is still flown on marine vessels.
Very well said.
I read somewhere a while back now that the reason the Blue Ensign (what we know to be the Australian Flag) wasn't recognised before 1954 was because only the government was permitted to fly it, with citizens flying either the Union Jack or the Australian Red Ensign, which is still flown on marine vessels.
TenOunce Tone
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For those flying the flag at night. if you check the rules and protocols for flying the Australian National Flag. It should be illuminated properly if glown at night. this is the proper thing to do. if its not illuminated it should be lowered at dusk.
Cheers Tone
Cheers Tone
An interesting and (mostly) respectful debate. I have learnt some interesting facts about or flag(s) that I didn't know. If we should change it or not.... personal opinion and as my lovely mother used to say. "opinions are like backsides, everybody has 1". I see the merits of both sides of the argument. For now the flag we have is the legally chosen one and I will continue to fly it proudly.
Maybe a misunderstanding here, I too love the current Aussie flag and do proudly display it in my home also, she is a beautiful and honorable flag!
If you choose to display yours according to the rules, good on you and I support that, Its just that I dont and thats my right!
Im not really an advocate to change anything as this was not the OP's intention when opening this thread, nor was it mine.
Im a gold prospector full time now, I did the hard years working for the big mining companies and was fortunate enough to be able to retire early and pursue my love for chasing the ore on my own terms now.
I simply choose to display the flag of the Southern Cross out of respect for the Old Timers who built the foundations for my much loved state of Victoria and laid the basis for what we all do on this forum.
I love the history of it all, and finding an old relic gives me as much joy as the yellow does, its my love and my full time hobby.
Nothing more, nothing less!
Those that choose to interpret anything else into this are the ones who are barking up the wrong Ironbark.
Regards
P.S.....Hope to see you all in Ballarat at the 160th Anniversary!
If you choose to display yours according to the rules, good on you and I support that, Its just that I dont and thats my right!
Im not really an advocate to change anything as this was not the OP's intention when opening this thread, nor was it mine.
Im a gold prospector full time now, I did the hard years working for the big mining companies and was fortunate enough to be able to retire early and pursue my love for chasing the ore on my own terms now.
I simply choose to display the flag of the Southern Cross out of respect for the Old Timers who built the foundations for my much loved state of Victoria and laid the basis for what we all do on this forum.
I love the history of it all, and finding an old relic gives me as much joy as the yellow does, its my love and my full time hobby.
Nothing more, nothing less!
Those that choose to interpret anything else into this are the ones who are barking up the wrong Ironbark.
Regards
P.S.....Hope to see you all in Ballarat at the 160th Anniversary!
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