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The same Government that we elect to own & manage "our" land makes laws that remove our right to use or benefit from it.
I've seen the discussion of NSW Miners Rights before & a lot were against the idea preferring the current no cost system under the guise of being able to prospect/fossick anywhere with permission.
If improved access were to be provided I'd be happy to pay for a Miners Right but I think to get them & the access back it would be a longer term goal. Does anyone have some background on when it was removed & if there was any opposition to it at all?
In the shorter term the removal of the need to get EL holder permission would be a good start. It's in the wind but it's proof that these changes don't happen overnight once they are implemented & further proof why we need to be vigilant about opposing any further loss of what little current rights + lands we have now.
 
Outback said:
If we own it ' what's stopping us owners going on our land then ? :rolleyes:

Bring back the miners right in NSW again !
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The only thing stopping us it the Government departments that changed the rules to suit the western land lease graziers, at the time when the then DMP got rid of the NSW miners right there was no organization like NAPFA to lobby for our cause.

Now with a lobbying organization like NAPFA prospectors/fossikers in NSW stand a chance of having there case heard by the departments that make the rules.

And yes I agree, bring back the "Miners Right" for NSW

And also even though Crown Land is Public Land and should be available for multi uses such as prospecting and not just for the exclusive use of the western land grazier.

The case in WA is prospectors (with a WA Miners Right) have the right to access Pastoral Leases (Crown Land) by giving the grazier notice of intend to prospect and camp etc, it's a good system and I hope it stays that way, and APLA is doing everything it can in WA to make sure it stays that way.

cheers dave
 
Geez mate, they wont let u fish in some parts, and by some, I mean a fair few places in NSW, let alone dig a hole. Nanny state, one of the main reasons I left, and Im never coming back!
I still love NSW, best part of the world, ruined by the worst do gooders in the world, Australia, s very own California.
 
Did the Government have a right to remove our miners right? I don't think so myself. Crown lands are our lands and i don't believe they can stop you from prospecting on that land. We as a society have had the wool pulled over our eyes from the Governments of this country, due to us "The people" not exercising our sovereign rights and more to the point, not under standing our sovereign rights.

We must exercise our sovereign rights before it is lost for ever. This involves us all to learn our rights and pass them on to each other and our children, i no i am and i hope you are to. I am no expert on this subject, but i am studying as much as i can and i have learnt a lot since i have started.

We prospectors are always reading old books etc. on prospecting to find new areas to prospect, but how many of us read our history? I don't just mean Australian history, but our British history. Its this history that gives us our Sovereign and God given rights under our Constitution.

I no most of you couldn't give a **** what i write here, but those who take the path to learn some of this stuff will never look back. There is a Revolution going on in this Country right now and in the UK, USA, Canada etc., its not violent, but peaceful, people all over are waking up and starting to exercise their inalienable rights. You have to look for it to see it though. :)
 
davsgold said:
And yes I agree, bring back the "Miners Right" for NSW

And also even though Crown Land is Public Land and should be available for multi uses such as prospecting and not just for the exclusive use of the western land grazier.

The case in WA is prospectors (with a WA Miners Right) have the right to access Pastoral Leases (Crown Land) by giving the grazier notice of intend to prospect and camp etc, it's a good system and I hope it stays that way, and APLA is doing everything it can in WA to make sure it stays that way.

cheers dave
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Fully agree , this is our land ! most of the areas I want to go are in the arid zones with stuff all sheep numbers per hectare .
Small time prospecting would have no effect on their income stream !

These graziers are just tenants On our land we need to control entry , not the other way round !!!
 
Now,... y'all know how the aborigine's feel about it all ,... which is a good thing. :)
 
Outback said:
davsgold said:
And yes I agree, bring back the "Miners Right" for NSW

And also even though Crown Land is Public Land and should be available for multi uses such as prospecting and not just for the exclusive use of the western land grazier.

The case in WA is prospectors (with a WA Miners Right) have the right to access Pastoral Leases (Crown Land) by giving the grazier notice of intend to prospect and camp etc, it's a good system and I hope it stays that way, and APLA is doing everything it can in WA to make sure it stays that way.

cheers dave
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Fully agree , this is our land ! most of the areas I want to go are in the arid zones with stuff all sheep numbers per hectare .
Small time prospecting would have no effect on their income stream !

These graziers are just tenants On our land we need to control entry , not the other way round !!!
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Yeah right! And the politicians work for us, that makes me their boss!
Unfortunatley, it dosn, t really work that way eh?
 
Yeah right! And the politicians work for us, that makes me their boss!
Unfortunatley, it dosn, t really work that way eh?

disillusion
 
NAPFA said:
an interesting thread that does highlight the difficulties.

NAPFA would certainly like things to change for the Western Leases - there needs to be a better balance between the requirements of different users.

NAPFA provided comprehensive comments in June 2014 to the NSW Crown Lands Legislation White Paper about matters that are of concern to our members and indeed all fossickers in NSW.

The White Paper set out a range of intended changes in the way that Crown Land is managed in NSW.

By way of background, Crown Land in NSW covers 33 million hectares or 42 per cent of the state. It does not include national parks and state forests. Around 30 million hectares is in the Western Division of NSW which incorporates around 6,500 Western Lands Leases. Town Commons are also included.

The changes seek to simplify the management of Crown Land in NSW and to make sure that a modernised approach to Crown Lands continue to benefit the people of NSW.

However, NAPFA identified a number of important risks which included:
additional ownership rights to Western Lease holders which could make access by fossickers to these areas even more difficult than at present;
potential to get rid of Town Commons which could have a detrimental impact on access in places like Hill End, Tibooburra and Stuart Town just to name a few;
more involvement by local councils who could act parochially and limit access.
Our 10 page submission went into detail about these matters, and highlighted some of the potential economic benefits for regional areas from fossicking tourism.

The Government has delivered its response to the inquiry. Access issues, including maintaining access for fishing and fossicking, were mentioned in relation to the freehold conversion of Western Lands leases. Even getting mentioned in a report like this needs to be considered a win.

Government response and next steps:
Prior to the conversion of Western Lands leases existing third party rights will be identified and protected where appropriate. We have to see what that means in reality.

Also in 2013 we also made a major submission to the NSW Government inquiry into regional tourism and included the following request:

1. That the right to fossick/prospect (with hand tools or detectors) is restored on Western Lands leases in NSW or at least made much easier than it is at the moment.

PS: If you are not a member of NAPFA -- please consider joining as we are working to improve things for you.

Stephen
President
NAPFA
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You didn't mention that from tipabarra to white cliffs is all pegged as els 2200 square KMs of exploration leases and there was a native title claim largest in Australian history that got approved so isn't it all under native title not crown land the crown can't own it if the aboriginal people now have the right over the land I'm new to prospecting but local to Manhattan and koonanberry gold projects have read all there reports spoken with station owners around kayrunnera station they don't want big mines on there property tas should of left it as a fossicking field few little holes left behind is better than a new NSW super pit there's going to be plenty set up when they transfer these Els into mine leases
 

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