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Bugger, I just sold a few KG'S for some quick cash.
Hoping it will hit 1000$ per KG so I can sell the rest
 
World mine reserves of silver are about 600,000 metric tonnes. and in 2018 we produced 27,000 metric tonnes. The total gold ever produced historically, over 5000 years plus (since before the ancient Egyptians) is probably only about 165,000 metric tonnes - and we produce that much silver every six years. It is true that world silver production is only about 9 times world gold production (3026 metric tonnes gold for 2017), and that world gold mine reserves might be in this same ratio (I doubt that gold would be anything like 10% of the silver reserve, but it is almost impossible to find a meaningful figure on this).

However this misses the point of what an "ore reserve" is a bit though - it is expensive to drill up a reserve, so the size of any world metal reserve is more a function of how much you can expect to sell in a given time than how much is in your mine (i.e. much more is commonly in your mine, but it is a waste of money converting it all into a reserve at once). Nevertheless, for decades the demand for gold has typically been about one third more than mines can supply. Silver is a little different - in 2009 mines alone could just about supply demand, and it bounces around each year, but since 2009 there has been a steady annual deficit of mine silver production (around 25% at present). The two prices have tended to follow each other, the demand for silver will probably increase, so things look healthy for a while - and the silver price could significantly increase, with some brief booms. However it would be a lot easier to increase silver reserves in a short time than it would gold reserves, so this would put a limit on any long-term price increase (gold and silver deficits are controlled, and the price therefore limited to some extent, by re-cycling of gold from other sources such as jewellery). Demand for other metals has some influence - gold tends to increase a bit with copper production, but silver increases a lot with lead-zinc production. So it is probably incorrect that there is only ten times kore silver in the ground than gold in the ground - that seems to be confusing the ratio of reserves to the actual ratios of metals potentially available - there is about 20 times as much silver in the Earth's crust as there is gold, not ten times, so there is much more potential to rapidly increase silver production when the price or demand increases. However this is offset by the large and increasing demand for silver in industrial processes (gold is nearly all used in jewellery, and its demand only grows very slowly).

I don't really see that the ratio in the prices means much - it is hardly a big change in price, which is what matters, and silver has only seen short-term surges over many past decades, and is not all that exciting now.

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Compare that with gold.

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thedigger said:
A lot of gold that goes in to jewerly and industral use is lost for ever.
My understanding is that the losses are negligible - I think most is jewellery, coinage and gold bars (83% in 2017), and only a small amount is industrial (9%) - and most of that is re-cycled. I suspect that losses may increase as use in electronics in industrialised countries increases though.
 
Goldierocks your understand of losses with gold jewerly is wrong,it is better than 20%,have a look at gold chains,every link in the chain wears,more so if it carries a pendant which a lot that is why chains are scrapped cannot be fixed.Rings they wear also,at the top section where baskets carry the stones,that is why rings have to be reclawed to stop the stone dropping due to wear or putting it another way,loss of metal,also there is great wear around the band,the bottom has to be replaced due to wear,just have a look at people wedding rings after a few years,half the weigh of what they were,poof the metals gone.
Another wild statement by so experts that all the gold ever mined still exists,BS
There is tons and tons of electronics things,and bits and pieces,that will never be recyled.

If it is any help,I make and repair jewerly.
 
Remember they say 80 percent of the worlds gold is still in the ground
Swinging & digging said:
Don't forget sunken lost pirate ships and Nazi Gold from WW2 that is unaccounted for!
 
I don't doubt what you say regarding worn personal jewellery. But I did not say jewellery, much less personal jewellery, I said jewellery, coinage and gold bars (not just jewellery).

Also I am using "jewellery" in a broad (and inaccurate) sense, as tends to be used in statistical compilations - it includes any ornate or artistic object d'art such as crowns, gold clocks, religious staues etc. I imagine the majority of Australians would have not more than a couple of ounces of gold that they wear on a REGULAR basis though, perhaps 30 plus million ounces for Australia at present. I have seen single solid-gold buddhas (not gold leaf) that would hardly rate a mention in tourist brochures, that are made of half a million ounces of gold.

You assume that most jewellery is used enough to wear significantly (that worn will certainly wear - although the ring I have been wearing for 42 years would not have lost 10% from its outer surface, virtually nothing from inner surface where it is inscribed -as is common with hallmarks. ). And it is 18ct (75% gold) - a lot of jewellery is 9 ct (37.5% gold). so it is not pure gold being lost. However a major proportion of world personal jewellery is in dowries etc in places like the Middle East and India, and most people with a lot more than a wedding ring or gold chain do not wear any other of their jewellery a major part of the time. I estimate that my wife and I wear perhaps 0.5% of the gold we own as personal jewellery, a few percent is inherited family jewellery (that I have never seen worn), 10% we have as mint coins that we don't handle, and the rest in a single art object (and we are middle-class Australians not oil sheiks).

As I said, the main losses are probably in electronics, colouring for glass, and gold leaf, but they are only a small percentage of gold uses. Only 75% of world gold demand comes from gold mines each year (e.g. 3,500 tonnes), and most of the balance is recycled gold. The majority of recycled gold - around 90% - comes from jewellery, with gold extracted from technology providing the remaining 10%. No other metal has always been re-cycled throughout history in the way gold has - people don't discard it.

So only a small amount of gold is lost, most ever mined is in circulation, and the "so-called experts" are probably correct on this one.

However the topic was the price of precious metals, so we are getting off topic.
 
Id like to start a thread on the price of silver as there is much talk how world production slowed with global demands increasing. Ive read here n there its set to soar as silver has always followed gold. Some predictions says it could in coming years tople gold prices. Im a prospector dont know about you I feel like a gambler sometimes . So if there is any truth to the facts on silver globally if you bought today 10 kg of silver at $500 per kilo. For $5000 in as little as 3-5 years you could potentially make upwards $600000. What!!! Please share your evidence n your opinions.ps Ive already got a Kg. N plan to be buying more sooner rather then later. :gemstone:
 
I pasted this from some ones comments on another site

How is it possible that gold and silver are not going up at an even quicker rate than this Fed created record Nasdaq? Nice if we can get bullion, especially silver anywhere near that fake spot price!

Last Friday Perth Mint put out a limited 50,000 mintage of one ounce 2020 double pixiu silver coins. I willing snapped up 60 at almost $10 over spot silver price. I had enough time over the weekend to think to myself why the hell did I only get 60 and within an hour of Perth Mint opening on Monday morning attempted to put in an order for another 100 coins. They refused to let me buy any more, stating new limits of 50 per customer. By Tuesday morning I'd arranged a friend with a mint account to get 50 coins for me..... what a wasted effort!! All 50,000 SOLD OUT in under three business days!

I would say it is being controlled,another friend waited over month to get 1kg bar of silver,seems fishy
 

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